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What a joke , an insult to MLB.


Not just being unrealistic but the fact that it's more a feminist wet dream than anything else. I can't stand it every time a woman tries to compete in a man's sport that they will never have a chance in. Major League Baseball, National Football League, men's tennis, men's golf when are women just going to give it up because all they do it for is publicity and a feminist wet dream. this woman that's portraying a major league pitcher is tiny petite ,so blatantly obvious that she's throwing it about 30 miles an hour. If you were going to do something this ridiculous at least get somebody out there that's a female bodybuilder maybe can act her way out of a paper bag.

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Mlb has an involvement in this show

Did you watch the pilot?

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It is a television show.

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^Right, Agree^ - I also think the actress portraying Baker (female pitcher) is doing an outstanding job for her first gig as the "lead actress". I'm loving it and I'm a woman but its nothing about feminism at all, just love the stories so far especially the flashbacks w/her father (another actor who I loved on Third Watch). I also love MPG as Lawson - he's doing a wonderful job and even looks like a baseball player w/that beard. Just sit back and enjoy !

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Only difference is that I'm a guy. Really like the show and hope it gets a chance to make it to multiple seasons.

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They wouldn't need a female bodybuilder. A big athletic woman would suffice. Cynthia Dallas is one actress who could have fit the bill. She has a decent amount of acting experience, is 6' tall, and is built like an athlete (she used to play college hoops) rather than a fashion model.

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Your missing the point of the show she's not supposed to be a huge alt helix woman as a child she had an arm that threw far so her dad took her and trained her hard her entire life to pitch and told her she needed a different way to compete with the boys because she'd never throw as fast. Hence he teaches her the screwball it's all in how you throw the ball. He made her eat breathe and sleep it.

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Right ... but you need a certain amount of physicality to throw a ball that hard. Take a look at softball Olympian Jennie Finch for instance. Sure, she is gorgeous, but she is also a 6'0" 170 pound Amazon, not a 5'7" 110 fashion model. Ditto for 6'2" 170 pro volleyballer Gabrielle Reece. Women who succeed at sports are not skinny, petite pinup models. They are big, powerful athletes who may (or may not) be attractive as well.

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Bro, Carl Edwards Jr. looks like a gangly 12 year old boy and he's still a badass pitcher. You don't have to be brawny to throw fast.

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But they need a good looking actress for the romance stories as well.

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Pitchers don't look like bodybuilders. David Price and Tim Lincecum are fairly thin. Both have had great careers. The show says that she can throw high 80s, which is all Maddox could throw.

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Tim Linecum is 5'11" 170 pounds, which means he has about 60 pounds on Kylie Bunbury. That is a huge difference in body mass. And Linecum is TINY by MLB pitcher standards. The average MLB pitcher is 6'2" and 210 pounds.

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True that she simply doesn’t look like what I picture the first female pitcher to look like physical fitness and athleticism wise. I picture someone more like Serena Williams. In fairness another Serena Williams would probably not be acting she’d be playing a sport. The same is true of men in film though. it’s really tough to find actors that look like work class athletes in general. Kevin Costner anyone? Because of her frame I think her throwing in the high 80s is basically believable and on point. There's this misconception that it's a marvelous physical feat to throw 90 when with modern fitness and conditioning it's really not. Scout use a term a "plus" fastball. Which is 93 minimum. Pitching is about deception not power so if the complimentary pitches are strong you’re going to get outs. See Greg Maddux who threw high 80s most of his career. In his last season he won 8 games and averaged 84.6 MPH. Jamie Moyer won 16 games that same season at age 45 with an average fastball velocity of 80.6. The screwball angle is genius. No one really uses that pitch now but there are quite a few hall of famers that threw it as their primary pitch.

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The reason you don't see the screwball anymore is because it shreds arms. Same goes for the split-finger fastball. Those pitches fell out of favor for a very good reason. The notion that a father with pro baseball experience would base his daughter's career on one of those dangerous pitches is laughable.

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It doesn't "shred" arms. That's an overstatement. It's hard on the arm. The MLB pitching motion in general is hard on the arm it's unnatural. Like anything with repeated practice the arm understands what it's doing. But it's an incredibly effective pitch if mastered. Hector Santiago of the Twins is the last guy who sports one right now. There's a great NY Times Magazine article about it from 2014: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/magazine/the-mystery-of-the-vanishing-screwball.html?_r=0

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Can't get it hyper linked.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/magazine/the-mystery-of-the-vanishing-screwball.html?_r=0 here ya go I got it to hyperlink for ya

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ITS TELEVISION! ENTERTAINMENT NOT THE MLB

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she simply doesn’t look like what I picture the first female pitcher
There will never, ever, be a female pitcher above a unisex Little League squad.

Ever.

That's what makes this premise so ludicrous.

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There will never, ever, be a female pitcher above a unisex Little League squad.

There have already been several female pitchers in the minors.

Oops... lol.

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And Bill Vick once sent a midget to the plate.

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That was a one-time stunt. You were wrong. Own it.

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Send me a link to anyone that was other than a stunt placement and then I will own it.

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Get off your lazy ass and research it yourself.

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I tried. Didn't find any.

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Then you're lazy and a liar. Cheerio!

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Here's a wiki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_baseball. No woman has ever played in minors.
You were wrong. Own it

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Do you mean Bill Veeck?

Yes he did, amongst other things, Veeck brought Eddie Gaedel in to pinch hit in a game. He drew a walk.

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Ever heard of Mamie "Peanut" Johnson?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamie_Johnson

Ila Borders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ila_Borders

There were several more who have made it significantly higher than unisex little league.

So, never, ever, is already wrong.

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You clearly didn't watch the pilot before commenting or you would know how she got to be that good, her dad even tells her as a child that she will never throw as hard as a man its just not possible so they have to get her better in a different way to learn a certain pitch.maybe if you had watched you'd have not made such an ignorant comment I don't care if it's man woman alien as the star it's a great story for a show.

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A pitcher with only one pitch won't last long. A pitcher may have a go-to pitch, but will have to be able to mix it up or the hitters will have a field day teeing off on that one pitch.

So, the screwball is not enough on which she could realistically base a major league career. True, Maddox threw in the high 80s, but he also had mastered a variety of pitches with which to fool the batter.

This is fantasy. And that's okay, most television is. Unless you believe that a car could be the reincarnation of a cop's mother. But this is less a fantasy and more a feminist wet dream. Fantasy has to have enough basis in reality that you think it could actually come true, if all the stars aligned. And this fantasy requires too many stars to align to be more than the previously mentioned feminist wet dream.

And yes, to be truly believable, the lead actress needs to be taller and more athletic. Gwendoline Christie does an excellent job portraying a believable swordswoman on Game of Thrones. She's tall and broadly built, enough that even though her character won't have the upper body strength, she's no fragile snowflake either.

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She doesn't just use the one pitch. She used it once in the pilot episode towards the end to get the 3rd out. Also it's television it's not supposed to be realistic. Stargate Sg1 was a huge success and there's no aliens and Stargate television isn't always made to be real life

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A lot of the believability of a show is the level of suspension of disbelief being asked of the audience. SG1 and other science fiction shows ask for huge suspension in order to build a story around interplanetary travel and sentient aliens. Pitch is asking for a small suspension of disbelief in order to to build a story around a female pitcher with a fastball in the "high eighties." A smaller suspension of disbelief means the writers had better get the other details correct.

A medical show set in a 2016 suburban hospital cannot introduce Star Trek level medical devices or miracle cures devised in only a few hours (yes, Outbreak, I'm looking at you), whereas a science fiction show set in a distant galaxy can get away with small pocket-sized devices that cure cancer.

A television show about a baseball pitcher with a weak arm had better get the other details right. And this show is not batting 1,000 in that regard. It was interesting enough that I'll give Episode 2 a try. But if it wants to keep sports fans interested, it needs to send some of its writers to baseball camp or get better technical advisors. Also, dump the feminist wet dream trappings and Jackie Robinson allegory and concentrate on making an interesting story about a baseball player who happens to be a woman. To paraphrase what Elton John said about Ellen: we get it, she's a woman; now be interesting.

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A pitcher with only one pitch won't last long.


Sorry, this is quite wrong. Bartolo Colon is 43 and pitched forever with basically only a fastball (which he throws over 90% of the time). Phil Niekro pitched 20 some odd years throwing mostly knuckleballs. There are many more example of "one pitch" pitchers that are quite successful. It's all in locating the pitch and keeping batters off balance.

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its not an insult to mlb they don't have the balls to stand up to the extreme leftist pc crap, they support this crap so as not to have any backlash from the liberal media.its the new world order, get in line and follow our nazie agendas or we will demonize you ,they are so afraid of losing sponsers that they will do as they are told.if you want good tv and good actors not people who cant act but are pc than don't watch this crap.one thing the networks are more concerned about than anything is low ratings and loss of money.kill this crap by not watching,send a message.

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If you want to be taken seriously, express yourself in a less sloppy manner. Acquiring a dictionary would be a wise first step. Is that even English?

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I'm gonna be watching the crap out of it along with a lot of other ppl. However with Fox you never know they baby some shows with low ratings to keep em around and cancel others with higher ratings. So if this like Fringe it won't matter fox will keep it around no matter ratings for a year or 2.

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Sooo...if it was a TV series about a male pitcher arriving in the Majors with only one pitch, would you watch it?

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- it is a tv show, drama, not a documentary
- you should stop watching the walking dead, games of throne, fringe, 24, lost etc cuz those ain't real

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Exactly I agree completely it's not a documentary do watch and enjoy the fiction or shut up

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