A liberal must of written this. - Don't Breathe (2016) Discussion

[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

All films are written by Liberals...conservatives are not intelligent enough to write that many words.

What makes you think you are supposed to feel sorry for the girl?

Why wouldn't you root for a girl who is forced to rob people to try and get herself and her young sister out of a bad home life over an insane kidnapping, murdering rapist?

Your choice but it doesn't speak to much of your morals.

I'm supposed to hate him and root for the kids because he has the girl that killed his daughter locked up?

Even the law disagrees with you, his crimes carry much harsher and longer sentences than the thieves crimes do...but I guess you think the legal system is all wrong aswell?

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

Rocky is a young white female. She wasn't FORCED into a life of being a thief. She chose it for herself. I'd have more sympathy and respect for her character if she sold her body for money instead of crapping on the quality of life for somebody else just because she is too self-entitled and lazy to get a job.

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

And also, the blind guy originally shot an intruder who held him at gunpoint. That is not psychotic, it is self-defense. Also, the blind guy went into rage mode AFTER Rocky stupidly and greedily decides to still rob him despite seeing their cohort meet his deserved end. The trio of "protagonists" are a bunch of dumb criminals comparable to Harry and Marv from Home Alone.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

And also, the blind guy originally shot an intruder who held him at gunpoint

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Once he disarmed him he was no longer being held at gunpoint, when he shot Money technically it was Murder. At that point he could easily have held them till the cops arrive and the thieves would go to jail.

But as he was a total whackjob he shot him. He was already a whackjob, as evidenced by the girl he held in his basement for several months before the thieves arrived, repeatedly raping her and making her pregnant.

His crimes massively outweigh the thieves crimes, both legally and morally.

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

How is that "technically murder?" You really should read up on crime jargon instead of throwing the word "murder" around because Money's death would be considered manslaughter if the blind man were convicted. Considering the Money is already an intruder AND that he threatened the bound man's life, it makes the self-defense case pretty strong.

Oh, but "these crappy wastes of life are justified in doing whatever they want because of what we later discover in the blind guy's basement!" False equivalence.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

How is that "technically murder?"

clearly you don't understand the law.

To be self defence he would have to show that he was in fear for his life...not really possible when you shot the intruder with his own gun, meaning you had disarmed him and shot him while he was at your mercy.

Also to be considered self defence, you call the cops after the act...you don't tend to move the body to the cellar, wrap it in bin bags and stab it with a pair of garden shears and not call the cops, just wait for them to show up because your alarm got tripped when you were hunting down the other thieves who were trying to escape...not the usual actions of a person forced into self defence.

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

I said the case for self-defense is strong, and you are saying that Money's shooting was 100% criminal and 0% self-defense. You are also trying to include the aftermath of the blind man pursuing Alex and Rocky into your counterargument, when we were talking about what happened between Money and the blind man. I wrote that if his act of killing Money was a crime, it would probably be manslaughter, which you did not acknowledge at all. Specifically, it would be voluntary manslaughter. I love that you act like you are an expert of the law, when you probably don't even know the differences between manslaughter and murder, which is why you didn't acknowledge my point at all.

The blind man was clearly rattled upon hearing sounds of intruders in his house and asking, "Who's there?" You are saying it is not possible to feel that your life is in danger AND to defend yourself by using an attacker's weapon against himself, which makes absolutely no sense. Fearing for your life is a FEELING, not an action. You are saying a person cannot be held at gunpoint, turn the attacker's gun against them, and still fear for their own life the whole time. That is BS. What did you think an army veteran, who has probably had an abundance of self-defense training, was going to do in that situation, hide under his bed?

A twelve-year-old could see that a person who has a gun pointed to their head has their life in danger, so it is pretty sad that you can't see that. It's pretty clear you love to make unsubstantiated arguments because of your original statement, "conservatives are not intelligent enough to write that many words." I love that you assume an entire demographic of people's level of intelligence based on their political ideology without knowing their background... That is just ignorant.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

"conservatives are not intelligent enough to write that many words."

That was a joke in reply to the OPs equally stupid 'A liberal must of written this'. The joke went over your head, don't feel bad about it.

I love that you act like you are an expert of the law, when you probably don't even know the differences between manslaughter and murder, which is why you didn't acknowledge my point at all.

I am going to assume I know more about the law than you do, my wife is a barrister and we discuss the law and real world cases and legal outcomes a lot, nearly every day in fact.

He executed Money. Executing someone is murder. End of discussion.

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

"my wife is a barrister and we discuss the law and real world cases and legal outcomes a lot, nearly every day in fact."

Fictionalizing credentials in order to substantiate your terrible arguments? Sad.

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[–] gcarras (2770) 8 years ago

Yes and films were written by liberals 70 years ago..yeah..

MarwoodWalks yours and the original poster's political comments were stupid. I'm a conservative who rooted for Rocky and not cause she was just hot (though she is).

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[–] Calledforblackup (112) 7 years ago

murder
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
"somebody tried to murder Joe"

manslaughter
the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.
"the defendant was convicted of manslaughter"

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

"At that point he could have easily held them"

Umm, did you forget the part where he is blind? And also that it is three people on one?

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[–] prinzHSV 8 years ago

Right and how did he manage to disarm Money if he is so defenseless?

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

1. Gun vs. fists... Hmm, who has the advantage?
2. Because Money is a little b*tch hard-ass-wannabe who even stated before that he had never fired a gun before.
3. Because Money was too stupid to shoot the blind man after the blind man took multiple steps toward him.
4. Because the blind man is an army veteran, so he took a chance on whatever training he has received in CQC/self-defense.

Any disciplined martial artist will tell you to always choose "flight" if possible in situations against an armed opponent. Of course, this is a thriller movie, so that's not gonna happen.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

Umm, did you forget the part where he is blind? And also that it is three people on one?

He DID have hold of him and had a gun pressed up to his head...he had already won.

He didn't know there were any more intruders. There are not different laws for being blind, its still murder.

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] prinzHSV 8 years ago

exactly he had no reason to kill him. perhaps injure him shooting him in his foot for example

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

That's a great idea, considering the blind man can see exactly where Money's feet are.

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[–] prinzHSV 8 years ago

he can hear him breathe and he can probably see silhouettes only a very small percentage of blind people actually see nothing but darkness

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

So the blind man should just assume there aren't any more intruders because he has no knowledge of them? But you said he could have EASILY held "them" and sent all of the thieves to jail. Not seeing how he "had already won" or what your broken string of logic is there. There is a blatant advantage in a fight between one person against multiple people. That is a fact. If someone held me at gunpoint in my house, I would not assume they are alone because I don't know that. The blind guy even asked Money how many people there were. Also, how is the victim, disregarding whether he is blind or not, to know Money does not have another weapon on him? For all the blind guy knows, Money could have a knife hidden in his pocket or another gun. But the blind guy does know he already had one gun pointed against him, his own life threatened. The fact is, Money attacked the blind man FIRST.

Your argument: "It's murder because it just is! So there!"

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

But you said he could have EASILY held "them" and sent all of the thieves to jail. Not seeing how he "had already won" or what your broken string of logic is there.

Not sure you quite grasp 'logic'.

He holds Money with a gun to his head, he sets off his alarm that brings the police, they arrest ALL the thieves. but oops he cant do that can he because he isn't an innocent victim, he is a nutjob kidnapping rapist who doesn't want the police to come round, so he his only option is to murder the thieves.

Anyone defending the old guy and his actions has mental health issues.

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

At no point did I argue whether the blind man's actions toward Alex and Rocky were murder/attempted murder. I am talking specifically about Money and whether the situation with Money was self-defense, so stop getting it twisted. We are arguing whether the specific circumstances and actions leading up to Money's death was self-defense, and you are trying to bring up everything involving Alex, Rocky and Cindy as an argument.

Again, you can't get over the man's sexual abuse and whatever he does against Rocky and Alex in a discussion about a specific scenario between the blind man and Money.

If it's that difficult for you to comprehend, try reading slower and out loud.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

I am talking specifically about Money and whether the situation with Money was self-defense, so stop getting it twisted.

Don't really care what you are talking about, I replied to the OP and was talking about the old mans actions to ALL the intruders. You don't get to decide what I am talking about.

Again, you can't get over the man's sexual abuse and whatever he does against Rocky and Alex in a discussion about a specific scenario between the blind man and Money.

Except what in his cellar is the reason he has to kill the intruders, so its directly specific to his motive for murder. As the audience we are privy to all the things going on, so we know he murders Money and we later find out he has to kill them all because he needs to protect his secret in the cellar. Motive is a big part of murder, nearly all murders have a motive, and it isn't manslaughter is you have a clear motive for wanting someone dead when you kill them.

If it's that difficult for you to comprehend, try reading slower and out loud.

I comprehend it all a lot better than you do...but you seem to getting a bit upset, I guess losing the argument on each point you make will do that.

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

You created the argument about how the scenario with Money is murder, and that is what I am addressing.

Your argument is a fallacy. That would be like saying a homeowner who has a brick of cocaine hidden in his locked basement and shot an intruder who was armed with a gun, had no idea what is in the basement, and threatened the homeowner's life; committed murder with the motive of hiding the illegal substance.

Oh, but let me guess, now you are going to pull out even more fake credentials saying your entire family works in the field of law.

People don't take your failed "joke" as one because it IS a typical response that a hardcore liberal would give in response to OP's topic post.

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

Let me sum up the gist of every argument you've made in this thread... In this example, you would be 'A':

Q: What do you think of Trump's fiscal policies?
A: He said, "Grab them by the p*ssy!"

Q: Erm... OK, what about his crime policies?
A: He said, "Grab them by the p*ssy!"

Q: Can we talk about a specific policy though?
A: He said, "Grab them by the p*ssy!"

Q: Alright... Uhh, why do you think Hillary is qualified to be President?
A: He said, "Grab them by the p*ssy!"

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[–] pistrix 8 years ago

Umm, did you forget the part where he is blind?

He was not a defenceless, little mouse. His blindness did not hinder him at all since he was able to find Rocky when she was out at the car, after escaping, and then found his way home dragging her across the ground. The guy was in the military, he was not meek by any means.

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[–] bioskope 8 years ago

Lol, who are these people writing these comments? Before the elections, I would have said trolls and left it at that. Now, I'm not sure anymore. He did not shoot him in self defense. No court would rule in his favor, given what we see happen in that situation.

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[–] eugene_stoner 8 years ago

conservatives are not intelligent enough to write that many words

(in the u.s....) conservatives typically side with rich white people, christians, men, gun nuts, cigarette companies, big business, military personnel, etc, WHETHER THEY ARE RIGHT OR WRONG. liberals typically side with blacks and other non-whites, poor people, communists and atheists, anti-gun freaks (and other various type of gay people), unions, pot-smoking hippies, etc, WHETHER THEY ARE RIGHT OR WRONG. party leaders do this TO GET VOTES...and then idiot citizens choose a side, usually because of one or two issues, and then they go along with all the rest of their chosen party’s beliefs because people are weak and social and like to feel like they’re part of a large group with common interests. for example (i’ll pick on liberals here), young ariella r smithhaus from portland, unconcerned with politics, sleeps with 100 black guys to piss off her redneck racist daddy and she gets pregnant for the seventh time and subconsciously starts to feel a little guilty cuz, well, whether abortion is moral or wrong, she IS sticking a vacuum cleaner into her vagina and sucking out a tiny human-lookin-thing with fingernails and a beating heart which will be thrown in the trash. she knows that, right or wrong, the democratic party sticks up for all kinds of irresponsible behavior and she knows they also hate rednecks, so she feels supported. on other unrelated issues that she hasn’t really thought about (unions, gun control, whatever), well, her new BFFs the democrats say gun owners are always bad people and unions always do the right thing so instead of thinking logically about these issues she’ll just go along with the democracts. she and millions of idiot democrats do this, and millions of idiot redneck republicans do this, millions and millions and millions, and well, welcome to planet earth, where everyone is a sheep and no one actually thinks. it makes me laugh when someone from either side points a finger and says “man, your side is so DUMB!!!!”

im an anti-death penalty vegetarian who occasionally smokes the herb, so all my conservative friends think im a liberal. i have a gun to defend my family and our cat against the criminal population that moves closer and closer to my doorstep every day (and i just happened to notice that none of these people have blond hair and blue eyes) so all the left wing bobbleheads think im a conservative.

i agree with you that lots of intelligent creative people are liberals...but they are only intelligent and creative COMPARED TO CONSERVATIVES, who aren’t setting the bar very high. maybe if they would be even MORE intelligent and creative they would understand that instead of doing the opposite of whatever “the man” does maybe they should just use their brains and think logically about things, because every once in a while “the man” is right. conservatives often, without much thought, base their ideas on primeval impulses...like defending oneself against attackers, keeping the body healthy and pollution free (“say no to drugs”), thinking strangers are dangerous (which they often are), whatever. primeval impulses aren’t always all bad. so instead of just assuming everything the conservatives do must be stupid just because they are the ones doing it, maybe let’s examine the ideas carefully and consider that there might be something to some of them.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

conservatives are not intelligent enough to write that many words

I was really only making a joke here, as the OP title is so stupid (A liberal must of written this), my opening comment back to him was meant to be just as stupid but coming from the other side.

im an anti-death penalty vegetarian who occasionally smokes the herb

Hey, me too! Although not had any 'herb' for a few years.

I have some issues people would say my opinions are Liberal, and some where they would call them conservative. I don't like partisan thinking as no one side gets it right on all issues, so I take all situations on their merits.

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] eugene_stoner 8 years ago

I was really only making a joke here, as the OP title is so stupid (A liberal must of written this), my opening comment back to him was meant to be just as stupid but coming from the other side.

definitely my kind have humor but it went right over my head

no one side gets it right on all issues

yeah and i think also with many issues “getting it right” is really just picking the lesser of two unsatisfactory or even evil choices. and even when it’s not, even when there is an obvious choice, there are many other things to consider, like what precedents will be set legally even if we choose this obviously right choice... one thing i’ve noticed, people LOVE to rip apart the “slippery slope” argument but then they turn around and use it themselves! fact is, there ARE slippery slopes. and many solutions in life just amount to finding a grey area in between the black and the white, and you’ve always got people, sometimes ridiculously and sometimes not, saying, “but where >>I<< want the line drawn is so close to where you just drew it, why not give in to me?” i got to work 3 minutes late, no problem, but the guy who arrived ten seconds after me gets yelled at....that kinda thing

that paragraph wasn’t too focused

i always thought assisted suicide was obviously ok but then someone told me there were problems caused by this somewhere in europe. questions were raised, like who decides yea or nay when the person is a minor? the parents, or the parents and the child together? if it’s the parents, what if the child says no? who decides when it’s a severely mentally impaired adult? it’s usually not simple

one more thing...i don’t blame my cat when he does stupid things, and i don’t feel it’s responsible to just look at...well, “people who don’t do a lot of thinking” as simply stupid. it doesn’t help anyone and it really seems inconsistent with any laws of the universe i’ve ever heard. i’m basically agnostic, meaning some days i believe and some days i don’t, and EVERY day i think the human mind is incapable of understanding what any of it means anyway...even the basic concepts for the most part. if the atheists are right i think there’s OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY no such thing as free will...the concept doesn’t even make sense in the world of science. matter and energy don’t just behave randomly...things happen for a scientific reason. if you had an exact duplicate of hitler and put him in the exact same circumstances as he was, he would have no choice but to do the exact same thing he did. i’m not a big fan of sam harris, cuz i think he and the rest of them are loudmouth idiots, but he is one of the recent guys i know who says things like this. (pretty obvious stuff if you ask me...people have been saying this for centuries) and, if there ARE such things as souls, well, i feel that horrible criminal acts are just beyond what my soul is capable of, and i should feel lucky i wasn’t born with a messed up soul. either way, i’m a “bleeding heart” for the exact same reason i don’t get mad at dog poo when i step in it.

blah blah blah that was long

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[–] donkeydick-77453 8 years ago

you seem to be unaware of the fact that liberals include the least educated and most illiterate segments of society. there is a much higher literacy rate among conservatives. maybe you feel that blacks in impoverished neighborhoods and "migrant workers" who protest and fight for liberal causes but have low literacy rates don't count and that the only real liberals are white college kids.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

Dick,

I have already replied to 2 posters explaining that was a joke. The OP said 'a liberal must of written this' so my reply was meant to be as stupid as his OP.

everything else in your reply is bollox. Higher literacy rate among conservatives LOL. How would you prove this and how does this mean they can write a good screenplay?

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[–] crissttigaldames 8 years ago

hy wouldn't you root for a girl who is forced to rob people to try and get herself and her young sister out of a bad home life over an insane kidnapping, murdering rapist?

"Forced" to rob people?. Liberals are incredible.

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[–] MarwoodWalks 8 years ago

I am NOT a liberal you spastic.

The Girl FELT forced into doing it, didn't you watch the film? She wanted to get her kid sister out of an abusive household, so yes, from her point of view robbing people was the only way to quickly get out of that situation. I am not saying anyone who robs houses is forced to do it.

BTW i am neither conservative or Liberal...must mess with your head not having a black or white pigeon hole to put people in!!

"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

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[–] sleepingtiger (712) 8 years ago

Seriously,people? I'm a liberal, and I thought what Rocky and her friends did was wrong as hell, and that they pretty much deserved what they got. The blind man had every right to do what the hell he did, since they were invading HIS home,period. Plus he had no way of knowing whether they were going to harm him or not. This is a damn horror movie---I don't know why the OP is bringing politics into it. It's not even that complicated---I mean,come on. Talk about projecting something onto a movie that isn't even there, or making a big deal over nothing.

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[–] Stratego (30498) 2 years ago

"but I guess you think the legal system is all wrong aswell?"

Aswell isn't a word. You must be a Liberal because your writing sucks as much as the writing for this movie.

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[–] I_Luv_Apple 8 years ago

Why does everything have to be about Politics? I voted for Trump and consider myself a Conservative. Even, I know it's wrong to kidnap and rape a woman no matter what she has done. The old man wasn't avenging his daughter's death or trying to defend himself from thieves. He is a sick Psycho. I'm sure Mr. Trump would agree with me. If he didn't have a woman chained up in his basement that he was raping I would sided with the old man. I can't believe we are even debating this movie.

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[–] eugene_stoner 8 years ago

I know it's wrong to kidnap and rape a woman no matter what she has done

my girlfriend likes to put the car heater fan on high before the car warms up in the winter...really ticks me off

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[–] pistrix 8 years ago

Finally logic reveals itself. Thank you.

((Damn the remakes, Save the originals.))

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[–] gcarras (2770) 5 years ago

Agreed. I am a Conservative. And I am NOT a cigerattwe company person.

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[–] Stratego (30498) 2 years ago

The movie portraying him as a kidnapper and rapist is just another brainwashing tactic by liberals, because the facts of the real story don't fit their narrative.

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[–] carlcarlson-32239 8 years ago

Aww my childhood stinks so I get to rob a disabled war vet. Please. He shouldn't have a girl in his basement. If you break into someone's house you deserve to die. I don't feel sorry for criminals. Had this movie just been about him and the girl he kidnapped then I'm rooting against him. This isn't a measuring of crime levels. A crime is a crime.

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[–] I_Luv_Apple 8 years ago

Rocky is the lesser of two wrongs. She had the best of intentions. Alex just wanted to screw Rocky. He wa Hot for her. Money was just a thief.

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[–] backupabsies1998 8 years ago

if you seriously think that robbing someone is worse than kidnapping, forcibly impregnating and imprisoning someone then i worry deeply about how you were raised.

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[–] prinzHSV 8 years ago

If burglars deserve to die what criminal doesn´t? Jaywalkers?

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[–] pistrix 8 years ago

So................petty larceny, just using an example of crime, is equal to say sexual assault. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk got it.

By the way crimes do vary in levels of severity and legal punishment.

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[–] carlcarlson-32239 8 years ago

I can't believe none of you caught my poor English. I believe the title should have said "must have" not "must of"

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[–] I_Luv_Apple 8 years ago

It's petty to correct people's English.

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[–] gcarras (2770) 3 years ago

No..I caught it when you wrote it...

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[–] I-theDamnedThing-I 8 years ago

Rape is worse than burglary regardless of the circumstances and if you think otherwise you are just morally *beep* up.

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[–] YouHaveNoSoul 8 years ago

While I don't think the sexual abuse of the other girl was okay at all, I really don't care what would have happened with Rocky. Too bad there were so many wasted opportunities for her to die.

The director originally planned a darker ending where Rocky becomes the new captive. I would have settled for that ending in lieu of my ideal one where Rocky meets a gruesome demise. They gave Rocky's messed up family like 5 minutes of screen time... Are we seriously supposed to be sympathetic because of that? I'm pretty sure the disabled army vet has had much tougher knocks than this Rocky chick who thinks she is entitled to steal another adult's money instead of working for it, since she ain't getting any from her own parents, and also prioritizes buying a ladybug tattoo over spending the money on an airplane/train ticket.

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[–] prinzHSV 8 years ago

1. Can you explain to me why so many people say "must of" instead of the correct form "must have"?

2. Nobody forces you to feel sorry for people who had/have a crappy childhood.

3. He could have easily called the police but chose to hunt them down. He notices them being in his house about 3 minutes after the break-in and instead of immediately calling the police who would be there in 5 minutes tops probably he chooses to kill them because he can/apparently has the legal right? THAT seems *beep* up to me.

4. And he also kidnapped a woman and held her captive. But I guess as long as you are a veteran nothing else really matters.

5. According to sociologists, the audience can interpret the director´s/writer´s intentions any way they like. So rather than make it about a girl who has a mum who doesn´t care about her and a sister she wants to take with her and start a better life with, her greedy boyfriend and their friend who I guess is in love with her and wants to help her out who are about to make one final coup to leave Detroit for good and in a turn of events are unnecessarily hunted by the resident of said house, make it about a group of misfits who break into the house of an veteran who lost everything and uses his right to defend his property.

6.Granted.

7. OK, but you should probably see that he is not 100% good either.

8. If you have seen this film I guess you have seen the trailer and most of your critique points are quite apparent in the trailer. So why bother watching a film you already know you won´t like?

9. Interesting point of view.