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Second viewing - appreciate this one more and more


There are some flaws, especially around the script and character development (which are admittedly a huge problem), but after trying to watch everything else Disney has done with Star Wars I've grown to love this movie. It looks like it came from the original trilogy, the set designs are solid, great music, top CGI, and there is tons of action.

Even if you didn't like the movie, you have to admit the last half-hour was truly epic. It was a three-way war with no holds barred. All the heroes die. Vader crushes an entire crew.


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I'll grant you that it's better than most of the other Star Wars stuff that's been coming out, it still can't hold a can't hold a candle to the OT. As you say, the script and characters (for me, the foundational aspects of film) are broken, and that really hurts the rest of the movie. It doesn't matter that they spent a lot of money on set design, its foundation is shaky, so the house collapses.

The last half-hour was a well-designed battle, but my problem here is that I don't care about the characters. Any deaths (spoilers?) aren't very interesting or moving to me because of this. I only really liked the negative droid, but not enough to mourn its death, and once they killed him, I kinda figured the rest of the heroes would bite it, too, so the rest of the deaths weren't a surprise. I didn't care at all when Jyn and Cassian died.

As for Vader, again, it's really cool, yeah, but it can't save the movie - particularly as it doesn't serve a story purpose. It's fan service. It would have been better placed before the finale. If Vader had done something like that earlier, then his presence coming closer and closer to the disk would be extremely threatening - perhaps even knowing as we do that they get away with it.

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But Vader does serve a purpose late in the movie. He had to be there for the movie to smoothly transition right into Episode 4 at the end.

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Sorry. I should have said he doesn't serve a story purpose for this movie. I seem to recall a similar problem with John Malkovich in Eragon. He was in the movie for two minutes to say, "This guy's the evil big-bad!" but he didn't really do anything in the film. Vader was more present in Rogue One, but was one of three villainous redundancies, and should have been used better.

Even best-case-scenario, Vader's rampage at the end is awesome-looking, but my main point is that it's not enough to save the movie.

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The last half-hour was a well-designed battle, but my problem here is that I don't care about the characters

Moreover - do they care about each other? There were some heroes who didn't even have any dialog scenes with each other - did they even... talk?

The main flaw of this movie is that it failed to set up an engaging ragtag bunch (khm, Firefly), who knew each other and could have good quips and chemistry together. There were some good moments, but they were too few and far between - besides they even lacked in quality, compared to better movies with similar setups (khm, Serenity (2005)).

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I liked that not all the characters had strong bonds with each other, the fact that they were all thrown together made the film seem incredibly fast-paced, and the fact that they barely know each other added an unusual layer of suspense to the final battle. Without the traditional "fellowship" bond of Fantasy heroes, we had very little idea of how they'd hold up when things got serious.

I really like this film, and I particularly like how the story glanced at thhe usual hero-adventure tropes... and then did something unexpected.

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Yes it demonstrates the disparity and isolation many in the alliance face - they haven't formed close relationships because they are a rag tag type outfit spread thinly across the galaxy - but they all fight for the same cause.

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They don't have to necessarily have a strong bond with each other, but I agree with sati_84 insofar as the characters still needed to have interactions with one another that were maybe more meaningful than they were. He references Firefly, and that's a good one. Mal doesn't get along with Simon and Jayne isn't always trustworthy, but they have meaningful interactions. They're memorable, likeable characters, and we care about their fates.

I'd also compare it to the original Star Wars. Han is 100% mercenary, and isn't really reliable or trustworthy, but his spitting, "Your worshipfulness" at Leia or saying the Force is a "hokey religion" are more memorable than anything going on in Rogue One.

I can only speak for me, but I didn't care about the characters and that really hurt the movie. I had other reasons, but that was a big one.

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All I can say is that I don't feel the same way. I liked the characters individually, and if the story saved the bornding for the final battle, well, seeing these disparate characters bond under fire worked for me.

I wouldn't change a lot, if I could.

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Fair enough. I just didn't care for them, and even now I struggle to remember some of them outside of just their role in the movie. As characters they didn't work for me. Jyn's almost a blank slate and her co-star, Not Han Solo, I don't even remember his name most of the time. I liked the mouthy droid, but that's about it.

I had other problems with the film outside of just characters. If a bunch of plot points didn't bug me, if I didn't care/did connect with the characters, and if I didn't have all these problems with how it integrated into the OT, yeah, it could be a good action movie. I'd change a lot.

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Ah well, we're talking about subjective opinions and emotional reactions, and you have yours and I have mine.

But most of the fans seem to think highly of this film, even some of the crazies.

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what is khm?

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I should've used cough.

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damn! i thought there was something similar to firefly i didnt know about !

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Of the Star Wars/Disney movies, I think this is the best one. I loved the way the ending flowed right into Episode 4. Solo is also pretty enjoyable. Disney kinda dropped the ball on the main movies, cause these side-story flicks are much better.

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Agreed. Some beautiful cinematography as well from Greig Fraser who also did great work on a few episodes of The Mandalorian, Dune and The Batman.

Visually this film is incredible and the screenplay, whilst not the best, is good enough I think.

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It's a damn good movie! Crackling with life and action, heroes who are flawed enough to be believable but who are still sympathetic and likable, scenes that are absolutely stunning to look at. Everything a person could want in a Star Wars movie... even if the story is much smaller-scale than the trilogies. The heroes aren't saving the galaxy, they don't have superpowers, they're just doing their bit for a cause, and BTW proving that SW heroes can be ordinary human beings. (That was a good precedent for the franchise, as proven by the excellent "Mandalorian"!)

I was expecting the career of director Gareth Edwards to explode after this, I mean first the guy succeeds in making a Godzilla movie genuinely entertaining and then this excellent film? But then his IMDB goes blank after this, nothing but a documentary and something that's "filming now". What happened?

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I liked it better the second time as well. It felt a bit truncated in places when I first saw it in the cinema. This may be a rare case where if there is a longer directors cut it will improve on the original release.

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