That doesn't make this movie any worse. Everyone loved this movie before The Last Jedi came out.
shareYeah it kind of gets unfairly tainted by the other 2, abit like the way the reverse happened Revenge of the Sith. or Highlander or The Matrix (although both 1st HL and Matrix were far superior to TFA)
share"Everyone loved this movie before The Last Jedi came out."
...the fuck did I just read.
“Everyone” is a major exaggeration, but TFA was pretty well received when came out, despite the recycled storyline and the Mary Sue criticisms. But it’s also true that after VIII and IX turned out to be even worse than the prequels, people started hating VII as well.
shareThe only people that received that film positively were those that wanted to receive it positively because it was, finally, a new Star Wars and everyone was hyped beyond measure about it.
When things calmed down, people took of their tinted glasses and saw the movie for what it really is.
Nothing to do with the later movies whatsoever. They are all trash regardless.
"those that wanted to receive it positively"
I want to receive all films positively, why would anyone want a bad film?
Of course often films are actually bad and its a disappointment , but this happens a lot less if you try to receive it positively , rather than look for reasons to hate it like a lot of SW nerds seem to do.
You misunderstood what I said.
The point is not to look for flaws or expect to be disappointed, what I meant was these people were being blindly optimistic and thus unable to see the flaws. This usually happens due to hype and bad critical thinking paired with a "it cannot be what must not be!" attitude.
understood, yeah i see the distinction
but again its a place id be happy to be but havent really been obsessed enough with anything to achieve that kind of blind ignorance.
..except maybe:
I think the whole world was in that mood when (before!) the 4th movie (ep1) came out around 2000 but they failed to cash in on that optimism by 1) making a so-so movie and 2) not releasing it worldwide all at the same time.
My blind optimism was quashed completely when I found I had to watch an extremely poor quality pirate cam copy if I wanted to see it when it was actually first released in the US.
This is 100% correct.
Moviegoers were so excited to see a new Star Wars movie so far removed from the prequels that they were willing to praise anything.
Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon popped up, villains that looked like Stormtroopers, a planet basically Tatooine copy and pasted, a super Death Star, etc. People were stoked because it reminded them of the original trilogy and it bore zero resemblance to those horrible prequels that everyone hated!
But then time passed and those nostalgia tinted glasses fell off, and people saw the film as a meandering unoriginal story with stock characters, all built on false promises and marketing.
The Force Awakens itself was not a very good movie. It never deserved the love it got in the first place.
shareIt more than deserved the love it received because the STAR WARS fans finally got the Old Cast back that made STAR WARS to begin with.. Unfortunately, I wouldn't have killed off Han Solo the way they did and would've negotiated Ford being in The LAST JEDI and kill him off there.. If I were making The FORCE AWAKENS, all of the Heroes would've reunited on screen together instead of the way they did it..
share93/85 RT
80% Metacritic
3.3/5 Letterboxd
7.9/10 IMDb
You're just hearing a loud, terminally online minority of losers.
Those ratings are mostly stuck in time. Look at Letterboxd's though, that website didn't gain a lot of traction until a couple of years ago, and that rating is a 3.3/5 (equates to a 6.6/10), which is a mediocre rating.
shareMark Hamill was not happy with The LAST JEDI and so much, Disney had to put a gag in his mouth over it and after seeing it only once, I could understand why?? 🤔
shareI hated it from the start, but this is because I fell enough for JarJar Abrams One Trick Pony style. He lost all my respect when he slaughtered Star Trek - even when the movies itself are OK, just not Star Trek - and went over to his heart project Star Wars and just delivered a fan flick. Never understood, why they not at least tried to adopt some of the huge story points from the Expanded Universe. Not necessarily the Thrawn trilogy, but I had liked to see an actual Jedi Academy like depicted in Kevin J Andersons books. The Sith ghost plot was actually quite nice idea and we could have seen how the Academy would be slowly consumed by the Siths. And as big trilogy conclusion we could have got a Yuuzhan Vong like enemy, with the reveal that Palpatine actually build the empire as he felt the danger for the GFFA and thus him. So much potential, left on the table.
Instead we got a Swedish Star Wars and the attempt to FINALLY bring in new ideas in Last Jedi was absolutely hated.
I only watched it once in theaters and once it was over it just didn't sit right with me. From Rey being super feminist to making sure it was known up front every character that wasn't white. A woman should have never been left in charge of Star Wars.
shareNobody suddenly hated it, people over time openly admitted to how bad it actually was. The sequels just made it more obvious.
Force Awakens was highly reliant on nostalgia as well as on the sequels being good, since on its own, Force Awakens was a rehash that undid the first 6 movies.
This is exactly it.
People fell into the hype back in December 2015 and loved it simply because it was nothing like the prequels. That aspect on its own automatically made it excellent. Through in a bunch of fan service like the Millennium Falcon and Mark Hamill's 5-second cameo and how could you not be excited? But then we started to see problems on its own, especially when the sequels began to expose how fundamentally awful this trilogy was.
I hated the movie the moment it came out, mostly because I found the fan service annoying ("but muh Han Solo!") and the plot a boring retread of Episode 4, and because I thought the characters were mostly boring. I was pissed that I seemed alone on those aspects.