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Barbara Brocolli "Kathleen Kennedy-ed" the Bond franchise


There is a reason women weren't put in charge of properties for men and boys in the past, folks. It wasn't because of discrimination, either. Discuss.

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Barbara has been working on the Bond films since The Living Daylights and has been in charge since GoldenEye. You're right though, she waited 35 years to hatch her evil scheme just to piss off you guys.

Go crawl under the rock you've been under and let us enjoy some good storytelling and actual character development for the character rather than the same formulmatic films we got for decades.

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You can go back to your Twilight fandom, NEWB!

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...actual character development for the character...

LOL. He's dead! D.E.A.D. Dead!

Character development!! 😂

Brilliant!

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"Storytelling?"

May I please see if I got this straight:

You want to take a character who is a distant, cold blooded killer, womanizer, alcoholic, who cares about no one, doing covert ops action, who uses high tech gear, saving the world...
...and change him into someone having character development, and family drama?
So, changing everything it once was, into something completely new and different ....but have it be the same thing?

Am I clear on that?

Kind of like "Hey, lets throw out 50 years of everything that made it the successful action franchise that it was, turn it into a reality TV styled soap opera", is that right?

Do we have a unified definition of what the word "Change" means?

Change: verb 1. make (someone or something) different

If it is DIFFERENT, and no longer the SAME, then it is not James Bond anymore. Right?

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The Craig version of Bond is the closest we've gotten to what Fleming wrote, including falling in love and having a child. The films basically always portrayed him as a superhero, but Craig actually made Bond feel like a real person which I applaud, even if I don't always like what they did with the character.

The next Bond will likely be very different, but hopefully they keep some of the things that made the Craig interpretation so dynamic.

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I noticed you did not answer my question: if you change something completely, is it still the same?

never read the books or even needed to.
the movies exist.

for fifty years, the movies succeeded as is. not sure who thinks its a good idea to 180 all of that.

regardless of what they come out with next, it WILL offend SOMEONE. it always will because the easily offended are easily offended. fucking up our entertainment, pointlessly.

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Bond is still the same character he's always been, he just isn't the one dimensional never changing character he's been since the character stopped developing in the 1960s. If you don't like it the fine, but it's not a coincidence the best films in the series are the ones that lean into Fleming and the original character he developed. Other than having a child and having to consider that life during the finale, there's nothing in this film that so dramatically rewrites the Bond character that he becomes unrecognizable.

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...it's not a coincidence the best films in the series are the ones that lean into Fleming and the original character he developed.

Yes, like the brainwashed Bond attempting to murder M storyline being taken directly from Fleming's TMWTGG novel and adapted into everyone's favourite Brosnan entry, and one of the best films in the series, Die Another Day.

Or like when they took Fleming's (as written on the page) moronic clueless idiot of an "intelligence" agent and had him think the best chance of lying low / keeping the head of the intelligence agency safe in Skyfall would be to take her to a completely cut off location, open to attack from all sides, and ride it out Macaulay Culkin style from a dangerous threat.

Great to see that Bond lifted directly from Fleming's pages...

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If Craig Bond is the closet to what Fleming wrote. Than its probably a good thing that Albert Broccoli jettison that shit to make Bond something people actually wanted to watch.

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If only there was more in the way of good storytelling and actual character development here.

I found it the same kind of depressing, dour, downbeat movie that the last two have been.

The problem with all new actors, no matter what gender, no matter what shade of brown, no matter who they screw and how, is that they just are not too interesting.

So, that is the issue. Find good actors, write them good characters, and things will take care of themselves.

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This is a hard disagree. The Bond film series varied in quality even when her father Albert R. Broccoli was the sole producer. There were some good to great films every now and then, but every other installment had a dumb moment here or there. Still, I doubt he would have approved of Bond dying in the end.

I give Barbara Broccoli (and Michael G. Wilson) some credit for at least respecting the source material. There were a few moments in this film that was deliberately taken from the novels On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice. Kathleen Kennedy didn't seem to be aware that there are a plethora of books they could have drew inspiration from when charting out the sequel trilogy.

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(SPOILERS) With Bond dead now, "James Bond Will Return" naturally will require cloning by an evil genius. The new Bond will then be torn between taking down that evil genius and protecting his new "father."

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Haven't seen NTTD, but she seemed to have some respectful solid understanding for Bond, because she chose Daniel Craig for the role in Casino Royale. I'd rather blame Craig's growing influence, because after the good start it turned out that he wanted Bond to be softy family value pussy.

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that ^^^. Why is"JAMES BOND" a softy family value pussy? In what alternate universe does that make any sense.

Next thing you know, they will make The Ghost Busters into all women.
Or make Charlie's Angels into unsexy lesbian looking feminists.
Or make Wonder Woman tear down the whole "Man patriarchy" thing that the man patriarchy built up, and all women currently enjoy.

Surely, that kind of stuff would never happen in our reality.
That would be like biting the hand that feeds you.

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Spoilers within - Have you seen the film? Im no fan if KK but NTTD is not anything near what happened to Star Wars or Ghostbusters. I don't deny a cut of a full woke NTTD doesnt exist because I reckon there is.

If it were woke, Bond would would haven't sacrificed himself to save the world and his family - what HE did was virtuous and heroic - Bond is intact. If it were woke, the 007 woman would have been more likable, kept the 007 tag and would never have been bested by Bond at any time - he outsmarted her many rimes in the Spectre scene. Bond would have been belitled especially by women, yet Moneypenny worked with him because she believed in him and his leadership - a woke agenda wouldn't have done shown that at all. They made Q gay, but they didn't have him behave in any way not consistent with his character.

Bond dying and having a child didn't make him soft and his manner of dying on this version elevated him to even more of a hero and alpha. Many critics I listen to on YouTube are slamming this as woke, but on this one I dont see it....plus they said at the end James Bond will return not 007 James, had they not done that I would jave been very concerned.

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She never had 100% control, she's always shared it with her half-brother Michael.

Maybe now that he's about to turn 80 he's not as involved and she has taken over?

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In my opinion Barbara Broccoli has done much better with Bond than Kathleen Kennedy has done with the Star Wars movies.

Kathleen Kennedy has produced a Star Wars trilogy that is very derivative of the original trilogy but with characters that are nowhere near as well written as those found in the original trilogy.

I really liked Rogue One but one out of five movies being great and the rest ranging from mediocre to terrible it’s not a good track record for her as a producer.

I do think they should go back to standalone Bond films now though, there’s plenty of great directors out there wanting to make a Bond movie still, Denis Villeneuve has already expressed interest.

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Very true, Broccoli has made her sacrifice to the Woke cult by slaughtering a beloved white male hero figure. We can now rest James Bond’s corpse alongside those of Han, Luke, He-Man, John Connor, Wolverine, Iron Man and soon Indiana Jones.

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