I mean, what the heck? At the end of the movie Woody abandons Bonnie and all his toy friends, including Buzz, to go hang with Bo Peep and her buddies at the carnival.
What?! Woody, the one character through all 4 movies who preached the value of loyalty, never giving up, never abandoning your responsibility, talking about how great it is to have a kid...suddenly and without warning decides he'd rather be a lost toy.
For no reason. Without explanation or precedent. The rest of the movie was pretty good (not great - the parents indulge Bonnie's obsession with Forky a LOT longer than a normal parent would) but that ending was ridiculous and out of character for Woody.
I couldn't agree more. What a slap in the face to the franchise, especially the perfect ending of the last movie. I could not have put it any better myself.
The sad thing, though? Bonnie probably never even noticed he was gone. If she did, it probably took her all of thirty seconds to get over him.
Well the reason why he left is because Bonnie didn’t care about him and that was my biggest problem with the movie. Andy specifically told Bonnie that Woody was special and to take extra care of him. Which she didn’t at all. I honestly hope we get a 5th one where the gang gets back together and all become “lost” toys because Bonnie is going to grow up and forgot about them.
"Well the reason why he left is because Bonnie didn’t care about him and that was my biggest problem with the movie. Andy specifically told Bonnie that Woody was special and to take extra care of him. Which she didn’t at all. I honestly hope we get a 5th one where the gang gets back together and all become “lost” toys because Bonnie is going to grow up and forgot about them."
Honestly, I'm not sure how Bonnie would react to Woody not being there.
On the one hand, we see her crying her guts out for I think two straight days when she realizes Forky is missing - but never seems to notice that Woody went missing too.
On the other, you're right in that Andy specifically entrusted Woody to Bonnie's care. She knows he's a special toy.
Now, to be fair to Bonnie, SHE didn't throw Woody aside - he bailed on HER. Yes, she put him in the closet, but Andy put ALL his toys in the toy chest and forgot about them - it didn't mean he abandoned them, just that he didn't want to play with them anymore. Bonnie didn't throw Woody in the trash, she just set him aside. There's a difference.
So it's very possible that when Bonnie realizes Woody IS gone (which she hasn't even done at the end of the movie), she'll be mortified and cry as hard as she did over Forky. What struck me as VERY odd, and totally outside of Woody's character, is that he never once considers Bonnie's reaction to him going missing, or seems to consider her at all - his decision to stay behind is 100% selfish.
Yeah, Buzz says "Bonnie will be fine" with Woody, but how the heck does HE know? And what does that mean, anyway? Is Buzz saying "Yeah, Bonnie doesn't care about you, she's got so many toys she'll never even notice you missing!"? Or to go even deeper, "Bonnie is turning out to be one feckless, fickle little jerk. She isn't Andy, who deeply loved his toys - she's superficial, a little Paris Hilton. You deserve better, she's so shallow she can't appreciate you!"
Is Buzz saying "Yeah, Bonnie doesn't care about you, she's got so many toys she'll never even notice you missing!"? Or to go even deeper, "Bonnie is turning out to be one feckless, fickle little jerk. She isn't Andy, who deeply loved his toys - she's superficial, a little Paris Hilton. You deserve better, she's so shallow she can't appreciate you!"
That's pretty much exactly what Buzz is saying ... he's been around Bonnie for some time and we learn that his "inner voice" is actually pretty accurate.
Buzz may not have much of a cranium, but he's not a total dummy
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Bonnie was younger than Andy, and while Woody loved Bonnie, they didn't have that special of a bond as he had with Andy. Woody's feelings for Bo were pretty strong. I don't think Woody would have left Bonnie if Buzz didn't assure him that she would be fine.
Again, how does Buzz know how Bonnie will react? What's he basing that on? She lost her mind over a SPORK. They didn't bond like Andy and Woody did, but the whole theme of ALL the Toy Story movies has been "You've got a friend in me." That's been the ONE thread running through every plotline: friendship, loyalty, never giving up, never letting go.
Until the last five minutes of Toy Story 4, when suddenly the theme lurches into "The heck with it, I'm going to do what I want."
Why is he basing any of his decisions on what worked for Bo Peep, anyway? She wasn't a toy. She was a lamp. Nobody would reasonably expect a child to love a lamp. I'm surprised nobody in TS4 ever brought that up.
I think this storyline would have gone over a lot better if Bo - or anyone - had ever remarked that saving other toys and making sure THEY found THEIR kids was their "new purpose in life", but that never comes up (or if it did, I missed it.) If Woody had ever expressed a realization that Bonnie would never be Andy and maybe he should move on from being in a kid's bedroom (again, aside from I think Buzz saying 'Bonnie isn't Andy' I don't think this is ever brought up.)
His decision just seems to come out of nowhere and doesn't seem to be based on anything, that's what bugged me. If you'd asked me which character was the most likely to want to seek another purpose in life, unfettered and free, I would have picked Buzz, not Woody. Buzz's mission has always been to go on missions in uncharted space; he's the bold, outward-looking adventurer, not Woody. Woody is the protector of the town, the sheriff, the sentinel. For him to be OK with abandoning his job, when he's spent 3 movies talking OTHER toys out of giving up, seems very wrong.
All your points are valid, but I do think they set up the ending with the prologue. Woody and Bo always had affection for one another, and Woody is clearly sad when he remembers her having gone away in "Toy Story 3."
Now, for the first time, we see that he had a chance to run off with her but stayed out of loyalty to his friends.
I also think the comic relief of Buzz thinking his speech button was his "inner voice" turned out to be prophetic as well - every time he pressed his speech button, the message was inevitably correct. Buzz actually does have good judgment; he just didn't realize it until the last scene.
And what Buzz realizes is: sometimes the best thing you can do for a friend is let him go. Sometimes loyalty means doing what's best for your friend. Or encouraging him to do the same.
Yes, Woody is sad about Bo leaving, for about five seconds. Then he perks up and never mentions her again.
I have no problem with Bo and Woody getting back together, for the movie, but I have a big problem with Woody abandoning his owner to be with Bo. Bo is hard, unsentimental and self-centered - if this was a real-life couple I don't think anybody would be saying that their relationship would succeed. She had some softness in the original Toy Story but I didn't see any trace of that in TS4. There were a few moments in TS4 where I thought she was going to loudly ridicule Woody for his sentimentality and good heart. She clearly thinks he's foolish for wanting to save Forky, and even for wanting to belong to a kid. She doesn't get him.
And what about her Alpha personality? Who's going to run that relationship? They're both A types who always have to lead. She's very snappish at Woody the few times he goes against her orders. She yells at him and makes fun of him. Why is anybody happy they're together at the end of the movie? I think ultimately she's going to make him miserable.
I honestly just want a 5th now where the original gang joins back up with Woody and they all live among themselves happy because every child will eventually get too old so I feel this is the only way to end the series.
I agree. That will be the perfect ending to the franchise. Like you mentioned Bonnie will eventually outgrow them and they'll be shipped off to another child and so on and so on. It's a neverending cycle. Just do a final movie where they all leave and join Woody and Bo
Bonnie doesn't even play with Woody and he's realized now that bros before hos did nothing for his constant boredom in the closet. He's passed his legacy onto Jessie so everyone is happy. Now he's got a hot gf and the whole carnival to himself and gang. It's it a realization and growing up he had to do just like when Bo went back for Woody.
I would have accepted that premise IF Woody had at some point stated that he was looking for new purpose and wasn't interested in being a kid's toy anymore.
But he never said that; in fact, his whole character over 4 movies was all about how important it was to be loved by a kid and to be a kid's toy. He was specifically entrusted to Bonnie by Andy; he should have held that sacred. It would have been MUCH more in Woody's character for him to say "Bonnie isn't playing with me right now, but it doesn't matter. She was chosen by Andy to be my new owner and I'll be there for her until Bonnie gives me away herself."
Wanderlust has never EVER been a part of Woody's character, but at the end of TS4 he chucks everything to stay with Bo - who, we are shown,doesn't share his values at all. It's a weird choice for him to make. And he completely disregards Bonnie's wishes, something that's completely out of character for him. So what if Bonnie put him in the closet? Andy put him in the toy box for a decade, it didn't make any difference. Bonnie didn't love Woody the way Andy did, but that doesn't mean she won't be sad when she realizes he's missing.
Woody reneged on his unspoken oath to always be there for his owner. That's an astonishing heel turn for him. Astonishing, and really bad storytelling.
I think a lot of the reason for it was just for something different. All of the other Toy Story movies are about the toys getting lost somewhere and having to get back. This time Woody changes during the journey and doesn't want to go back at the end.
They did set it up. Bonnie clearly didn't like him that much and you could tell he was thinking of staying with Bo the whole movie.
OK, but Andy abandoned Woody in a toy chest for what, nine years? Woody didn't have a crisis then. Toy Story 3 was all about Woody trying to get all the toys BACK to Andy despite the fact all the toys claimed Andy had forgotten them.
ALL of the movies have followed the same pattern: Toy fears abandonment, Woody bolsters/helps them, and toy either finds a new owner or goes back to their old owner.
Toy Story: Woody fights Buzz for a place as Andy's favorite toy
Toy Story 2: Woody consoles Wheezy, who fears abandonment. Woody becomes a 'lost toy' and spends the movie helping Jessie, who was abandoned and is traumatized by it.
Toy Story 3: Woody has to get the rest of the toys back to Andy's when they are accidentally given to a day care center.
That's Woody's entire raison d'etre, helping toys connect with owners. It's his mission. He's the sentinel, making sure that everything is right in his "town".
He's never developed wanderlust. He's never said "You know what? Maybe it's time to move on. I don't need to be a kid's toy. I'll be fine on my own."
Even in TS4, when Bo talks about how great it is to be on her own, he argues with her. He very clearly does NOT believe the way she does. There's nothing in the movie that even hints that he doesn't want to be Bonnie's toy anymore.
Until the end, when he bails on her. It's not Bonnie's decision; Woody doesn't give her the choice to let him go, he just leaves. This after spending the entire movie ARGUING with Bo about how important it is to belong to a kid. This after giving up his voice box so Gabby can get a kid.
If Woody had at any point in the movie said "You know, this is great. I feel great doing this! Better than I have in a long time. Maybe this can be my new purpose in life" I could have bought the ending.
But he never says that, and he never acts like abandoning Bonnie has entered his mind. Until two minutes before the end of the movie, when he does it. It's sloppy storytelling.
That's Woody's entire raison d'etre, helping toys connect with owners.
And that's what he is doing now.
I also said in another thread that the fourth movie was necessary to give Woody - the main character of the franchise - a proper ending.
I don't know how you are so certain that he never developed wanderlust OR that he thinks he must, under any circumstances, belong to a kid - there was a time he was fully considering moving to a toy museum in Japan.
In any case, he is a toy from the 50's, it was time for him to move on. The toys in these movies have souls, they grow and develop - eventually Woody had to discover a meaning for his life beyond a fleeting period of being there for any given kid.
And I daresay you are expending entirely too much energy on all this.
Well, I've noticed a pattern: absolutely everyone on here who is complaining about the ending sounds like a little kid themselves. And the whinier they are, the more immature they come off.
Besides, that's not a valid response to anything I said above.
So they're "whining" because they disagree with you? No offense meant, but if that is your mindset, that really sounds immature and childish on your part.
Well, no, I read the board first, and only then replied to a few posts.
Disagreeing with me would have meant that I tried to prove something first.
But a lot of the arguments on here sound just beyond ridiculous - like Bonnie (a little kid) being inconstant and hypocritical, and other similar nonsense.
Wouldn't it have been neat if an adult Sid with his child was at the carnival trying to win toys for his son who only planned to mangle them - or blow them up? Woody and his crew weren't "matching up" kids and toys - they were passing out the toys at random.
Probably not. Sid likely never forgot about what happened in Toy Story 2. If he had kids at all he'd probably raise them to be extra gentle with toys lol.
This after giving up his voice box so Gabby can get a kid.
This is the point people seem to be overlooking. Woody sacrificed himself for Gabby, making him a fatally broken toy. He had no future with a kid. A different goal was his only option.
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Not having a 1950s voice box/pull string would have meant ZERO to any modern-day child, not in this day of computer-chip driven vocals. To a collector, of course, yes, but the fact that Woody was cut open to remove his voice box destroyed his value to a collector anyway. Even if he got his voice box back, or got another one, he's got a huge vertical cut in his costume.