All they needed is a moat
A moat like castles have/had. Make it 10 meters wide and deep and you can keep anyone out!
shareA moat like castles have/had. Make it 10 meters wide and deep and you can keep anyone out!
shareBut they are idiots.
They've been living in the same places for god knows how long and the only defenses they've managed to build are walls.
Actually they didn't even build the walls. They just inherited places with walls.
Now we apparently come to a showdown with Alpha, where their plan appears to be fighting them in an open field outside of the walls where they can easily be surrounded.
It's the Game of Thrones IMS (inept military strategy). The show has also been adapting the GOT method of taping it so darkly that the audience can barely tell what is happening.
The show must have some salaries they want to cut, so they should be killing off characters by using incompetent military strategy.
A medieval army would make quick work of a bunch of zombies, and build secure fortifications. And wouldn't hesitate to off anyone who turned.
shareThey tried that in some 70's disaster film about a pague of ants marching across the country .
It didnt work then!
even with tiny little ants!
In real life, ants can cross water by forming "rafts" with their bodies. After Hurricane Harvey they had a problem with Fire Ants doing this down south and invading areas they had not been. Interesting enough they found an easy way to beat them. DAWN. A few drops in the water, the surface tension broke and they sank like stones.
Pretty sure that wouldn't work with the Horde though.
Dawn - is there anything that miracle product can't do? Fights grease and drowns ants.
shareBoat? Boat with explosives? Drones with explosives? Helicopters?
shareA moat would solve the day to day zombies. A horde would fill up a moat in no time. Zombies would layer on top of each other and fill it in forming a bridge. Then you're stuck.
shareI suppose an island could be a good idea once made safe
shareNah, necramonium is right. There's a reason castles had moats. They're MUCH more effective than people realize. . .*especially* in conjunction with walls, gates, fences, etc. It's not as if the idea is just to build a moat & call it a day. It's an incredibly effective element of a defensive position.
But, this show hasn't exactly featured the most consistent level of intelligence, so. . .
If you ever played 7 Days to Die, you'd understand why that won't work. A few examples.
One is mentioned above.
Scenario #1: Walkers fall into the moat, get up and start clawing at the walls until the ground above is dug out then causes a cave-in.
Scenario #2: Walkers fall into the moat (with or without water) and start piling up until they build a bridge of bodies to walk across.
One of the reasons moats worked back in the day was the fear it gave the attacking enemy, they didn't want to fall in and drown or die from a fall. But Walkers don't have this fear.
LOL. . .video games are rarely if ever a good way to bolster an argument.
This is a case in point: Scenario one assumes human fingers can undermine walls, to the point they cause a cave-in. Scenario two assumes there are enough walkers to completely fill the moat.
Neither case is reasonable; to amplify what I wrote above: Moats are not (and never have been) a "magic bullet." They're simply a vital, Very effective part of the Entire Defense. Neither of the examples you gave are a problem; even if they had any currency, it's not as if the defenders are idly sittlng by watching things happen.
And if there's a horde big enough to fill in an entire flippin' moat, you don't want to sit in place and try to defend your place anyway. You'll either eventually get overrun, or starve under siege. This is true of living Or dead enemies.
TL/DR: Moats work, as an *incredibly* effective piece of a defensive plan.
he just explained to you why they *don't*
shareAre moats easy to make? They didn't have many engineers around. They had to learn about windmills, plows, etc. from the lady who wanted records.
shareThey managed to do it in medieval times, all you need is a buttload of people and shovels.
shareThink about all the megalithic structures built all around the world x thousand years ago. I think a survivor group could manage digging a moat.
shareAssuming you could dig down ten meters without hitting bedrock - and in most places you can't - those far as the eye can see megahordes could fill it with squirming bodies. Then there's the matter of keeping it full of water. Not so easy to do without modern municipal water supplies. Alexandria has a reservoir, but would it be enough to keep a big moat continuously filled? Might be difficult in the summer months when water levels get low. Plus you'd need to make sure the water flowed only one way, from the reservoir into the moat, if they mix freely you're going to get putrid rotting flesh contaminating your drinking supply with bacteria.
What would happen if your moat absorbed an entire herd and protected you? You've now got a whole bunch of "live" zombies that aren't so easy to get rid of. How do you clean them out? Let the moat dry completely and then burn them? Leave them there as an obstacle? A pit full of walkers that can't be lured away would be tough for any attacking people to get past. Of course it would complicate your own comings and goings.
The best defense against the dead is a very high wall. You could pile dirt (or gravel) up to about half the height of the wall on the inside of your community. Earthworks like that would make it impossible for any number of walkers to push the wall down, and even people crashing cars into it wouldn't do any significant damage.
A wall won't work, as World War Z already showed, they just pile up and come over the top.
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