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Barbie's logic: The real world is patriarchal because top positions are occupied by men.


What? Why does that make our world patriarchal?

Yes, the tops are (mostly) men, but the bottoms are mostly men too. Look at jails and streets. Men's suicide rates are FOUR times higher compared to women. Most dirty and dangerous jobs are done by men.

Why look at the top and say "Patriarchy," why not look at the bottom?

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You make an excellent point, but don't expect much comprehension around here.

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EITHER WAY IT'S WRONG.

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So you don't trust the science? You think women, with smaller brains, less reasoning, are extremely emotional, have terrible decision making skills, and awful reaction time, would somehow rise to the top just cause...for reasons, okay!

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Can't make a counterpoint, so your struggling mind was only cable of lashing out? Sad, really. Must be your estrogen fueled diet.

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DUDE...NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR COUNTERPOINTS OR YOUR SHITTY OPINIONS...LAME ASS TROLLING 101.

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And yet you keep replying. Dance puppet, dance.

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LMAO...YOU STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING TO...ALL THIS TIME AND YOU ARE AS NAIVE AS DAY ONE.😘

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That post count tells me all I need. Keep trying, you can't win this. You've set yourself up for endless failure.

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IT SHOULD.🙂

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Well, when women get into trouble, people do attempt to infantilize women to get them off the hook for their own decisions.

They even go out of the way to infantilise themselves to gain victim points at every opportunity.

One minute strong, brave, quick-witted, and smart. The other naive and naive, and naive, as well as weak willed (whenever a man is around to blame for their wrong doings).

People are seeing though that, now it's time to pick a lane, honey.

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The high male suicide rate is literally the price men pay for Toxic Masculinity. When men tell each other that it's unmanly to seek treatment for mental health issues or personal crises, and that their status in the male hierarchy depends on adhering to the standards of Toxic Masculinity, then mental health issues and personal happiness can ramp up until they become deadly.

This has nothing to do with women, BTW. If a man in crisis is refusing to seek help and he has a woman in his life, she's usually begging him to get treatment.

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That trend is more apparent in Japan, where men die young (suicide or otherwise) very clearly because they worked long hours and under a lot of pressure to support family.

Of course working hard is part of "Toxic Masculinity", isn't it? Unless men are like Kens in the movie, docile and controllable, crying like little boys, to feminists that is always "Toxic Masculinity", isn't it?

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That's why this movie did as well as it did.. Gen Z can relate to it when it comes to being docile and controllable while crying like little boys really does ring true, not to mention, having poor work ethic to boot

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It remind me a news just 6 months ago "Why the rate of single men in the US looking for dates has declined":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK4y6C1Uuhw

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Yeah, well, everyone wants a relationship on their own terms, and has trouble with potential partners having their own terms for a relationship as well.

And some people react to that by learning what potential partners might want and offering enough of it to get some interest, others react by, uh... taking their bat and balls and going home, if everyone won't play the game exactly the way they want.




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Huh, I just chose to Google: Are more women or men choosing to be single?
Rather than clicking on your YouTube propaganda and guess what came up?

Men are far more likely than women to be on the dating market: 61% of single men say they are currently looking for a relationship or dates. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/

The next result: More Women Are Choosing to Be Unmarried. Men Need to Adjust. https://www.thedailybeast.com/more-women-are-choosing-to-be-unmarried-men-need-to-adjust

Most young men are single. Most young women are not. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/

I'm not looking for any particular results. I'm a guy I wish it was the other way around. These are just the results.

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Most young men are single. Most young women are not.

Assuming the numbers of young men and young women are roughly the same, what do you think that says?

LOL

I'm a guy I wish it was the other way around.

Yeah, right!

Way too many feminists claiming to be men on internet, at least I encountered quite a few.

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I'm a guy who is a feminist. Oh my God!! Unbelievable right?!

Did you actually READ that link?

"Men in their 20s are more likely than women in their 20s to be romantically uninvolved, sexually dormant, friendless and lonely. Women don’t need to be in long-term relationships. They don’t need to be married. They’d rather go to brunch with friends than have a horrible date,”

That's fucking depressing and I'm a single guy, though I'm not in my 20's it SUCKS on the dating market. I'm in good shape and take care of myself. Women on these dating sites are either grossly overweight or disinterested in a relationship. The power, as it were, is definitely in the females hands. That could also be because I live in the Northwest and there is more men than women out here. Whatever the case facts are facts, they don't change because it makes us uncomfortable.

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What is unbelievable is that you don't even understand the question I asked.

That saddens me, that means this won't be an intelligent conversation, and that made me losing interest in continuing any further.

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Sure buddy.

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"Assuming the number of young men and young women are roughly the same, what do you think that says?"
That they're all getting pump-n-dumped by the same top 5% men, and have taken about 10 different dicks by age 21.

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I wouldn't put it so crudely, but yes, assuming the similar amount of homosexuals in both genders, the obvious answer is rampant polygamous relationships.

We are talking about in relationships here, so it is not that these women are dumped. So very likely a large number of young women, enough to affect the statistics in a significant way, are dating the same young men, at the same time, knowingly or unknowingly.

Also I think a lot of those young women are dating men over 30, outside of the age range covered by the statistics (20 ~ 30). Then again those men over 30 could still attract women much younger, I think they are unlikely single in the first place, so again polygamy is also fairly likely.

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Your links all prove my link's point.

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Your point was that more men are looking for girlfriends than women looking for boyfriends?

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Do you even watch the link I post?

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I'm not clicking on a YouTube link. While there CAN be truth on YouTube it is not where ANYONE should be getting their information. If it's true, there will be other credible sources that you can offer. You should know that.

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A little late to the party, but there’s nothing wrong with linking to a YouTube video if the video has sources to back up whatever its talking about. YouTube is just a medium, no one is treating it as a source.

It’s current year, written/online articles aren’t the only way to spread information. You can make videos too.

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This is incredibly true and it's hilariously sad that seeking therapy can be seen as "being a pussy". I've met these burley blue-collar redneck types who have straight up said stuff like "I'm not depressed, never have been" and then 8 sentences later will say "I've fought suicidal thoughts every day for my entire life." These people, especially the more masculine type, may be severely depressed but don't even realize it because they equate being depressed with being a blue-haired gender-fluid liberal. It's the whole "walk it off" mentality where men think just ignoring pain and suffering is the same as tackling it and fixing it.

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This is incredibly true and it's hilariously sad that seeking therapy can be seen as "being a pussy".


Therapy is a gateway to satiating misery:
https://www.talkspace.com/blog/why-you-might-feel-bad-or-worse-after-therapy/

https://healthnews.com/mental-health/self-care-and-therapy/can-depression-get-worse-during-therapy/

https://www.realsimple.com/health/mind-mood/emotional-health/emotional-hangover-after-therapy

https://qz.com/643276/therapy-can-actually-make-things-worse-for-some-people

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/17/it-was-devastating-what-happens-when-therapy-makes-things-worse


And despite more people being in therapy than ever before, more people are unhappier than ever before...

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/401216/global-rise-unhappiness.aspx



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So seeking therapy is a bad thing then? Wow!

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If therapy costs you money, results in you becoming even more unhappy, and making people feel even more miserable, then why seek therapy?

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Not all therapy does that. Do you think before you speak?

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Apparently it's most, otherwise the numbers wouldn't be going up for unhappiness across the places that employ therapy the most.

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Lol again you simply look at a stat sheet and call it a day. You can't analyze a basketball game by only looking at a stat sheet. It is not surprising though you after all think mixing races is wrong. Yet Candace Owens still gets a pass. You are a hypocrite.

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Hilariously, though, you don't have any stats to actually refute the point.

I mean, with all these people getting into therapy, surely we should be seeing an uptick in happiness... right?... RIGHT?!?!

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I do I just do not care to cite them. Like I said stats do not tell the entire story. You realize that depression and downward spiral of society have lots of things that play into it? A lot of it is financial stress. Also you do realize your websites you posted were .com? You know what this means right? I can do that to swing it the other way. Rather simple.

https://www.healthline.com/health/benefits-of-therapy#takeaway

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That's an opinion piece on the benefits of therapy, not a statistical analysis on how many people actually benefit from therapy. Those are two completely different things.

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You can not confirm if those stats are accurate.

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Yikes. Your attempt on shifting high suicide rates onto men's relationships with one another is frightening.

If anybody is TOXIC, it's YOU.

You've concocted a little bubble and put all of men's suicides into that tiny little bubble that came from your head.

Of course, it's because other males pressure males not to seek help with mental health. Now we've dealt the blame onto men, we can move on /s

WOWZERS

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You're asking why to the wrong question, man.

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What’s worse: they expect people at the top to roll dead and let them lead because they are women.

They don’t understand that to be in top you need to fight to be there and that the competition is insane, it’s not a walk in the park. Power and positions of power are not given, are taken/seized.

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Well, pfffff. That's just not very nice.
See, if women ran things, everything would be nicer. Women never fight. :)

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But that's the problem: people that run things get to run things because they fight for it.

As Bill Burr said: women complain about the wage cap, and he was using sports as an example, women complain that women make less in sports but they never support (you know, fight) those sports ... ironically they are more interested in men's sports ...

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I know, I know. Women truly don't get it. And never will. :) I'm okay with it, why can't they be okay with it?? :)

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Not really. Women can get it. Some of them DO get it. We do have examples of great women in business, politics, etc. But in USA the victimhood is so general and most would rather complain and wait for the low hanging fruit to drop instead of trying to GET IT!!

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For your information it is not nonsense.

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I like that that logic, looking at the top, implies that President Biden, the most powerful man in the world, and who got elected because he won the women's vote by a huge margin,

is the world's Patriarch and the one that is responsible for maintaining it, and keeping women down.


Which raises the question, why the people that talk shit about the "patriarchy" voted for the Uber Patriarch.


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I bet the women who voted for him regretted that now 3 Years later??

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They were expecting Joey to drop dead and the US becomes a Matriarchy!

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Women with agency? Are you from Barbie land?

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If more men are at the top, then those at the bottom are there because those at the top put them there. What's hard to understand about that? If you're saying male suicide is bad, you're also saying men being in power is bad because they're not doing anything to help the situations they're putting other men in, or women for that matter.

There are a lot of serious men's problems associated with patriarchy, but I don't see how that can possibly work as a valid rebuttal for why men should remain as dominant gender in power positions.

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Actually, the men at the bottom ARE ALL LINKED by ONE COMMON factor. A single mom. So no, it was a woman and her selection skills, judgement of character, sexual promiscuity, a shit hierarchy of needs, lack of self-control, zero ability to NOT be manipulated, and awful parenting skills that allowed that. So no, you can't blame RICH MEN for poor men, unless you're a complete retard.

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A single mom, as in a woman who's been abandoned by her male partner? You're saying it's a single mother's fault her partner abandoned her and her child/children, and that she alone is the cause of all other men at the bottom being at the bottom - when women are vastly underrepresented in positions of power and when single mothers are one of society's most vulnerable people; but nothing to say for the men that abandon their families right? It's all on women who apparently have sex by themselves and who are often coerced into having sex too early and keeping kids they never wanted. I'm not blaming anyone for anything, I'm just holding a mirror to the logic presented in the OP. But your statement lacks any logic, so I'm gonna go with you're projecting with that mental retardation comment.

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No, a single mom, as in, got pregnant by some dude that was only interested in sex and was too stupid to protect herself from getting pregnant. If you think a man is to blame for that, then see my last comment. You're basically admitting women don't have the capabilities to handle themselves or raise a child alone, something men can do, and the reason you will find them at the TOP, and not women.

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So you accept that men are at the top, and women are at the bottom, but you don't think sons should do anything to help their mothers be in better positions despite spending their lives raising men to reach the top - even though according to you, they have the power to do so as they're at the top? Where is the logic in that? Nowhere it seems.

A woman getting pregnant by some dude only interested in sex does not remove that dude's responsibility in them getting pregnant. He also didn't protect himself from becoming a father and was also stupid, so why are women the only ones to bear the weight of shared stupid decisions while men can go on to take no blame in their part and soar in various areas of life when women aren't allowed? Why should anyone who can have multiple kids and walk away from them as though blameless get any opportunity to be at the top? Is that the kind of leadership you respect?

And I never said that women don't have the capabilities to raise children alone, they do it all the time, whereas men don't. Where are you getting that from my response? Are you just talking to yourself and making up answers according to your own thoughts?

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"A single mom, as in a woman who's been abandoned by her male partner? You're saying it's a single mother's fault her partner abandoned her and her child/children"


POT, KETTLE, BLACK.

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I don't understand your response, please clarify.

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