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CONFIRMED: Full of left wing political/social commentary


Save your money unless you want to be lectured about patriarchy and sexism for 2 hours.

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Interesting. Why do you care so much? Were you in the potential audience for a Barbie movie, but now you feel ostracized because of this?

Seriously, if it didn't have this political ideology are you going to see a Barbie movie?

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Parents will definitely want to keep their kids away from this unless you think developing a sense of misandry is healthy for society.

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I’m afraid that will be overridden by young girls incessantly yanking their mother’s dresses until they take them to the theatre.

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What is misandrist about this movie? Specifically?

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I think the Critical Drinker's review on YouTube sums it up pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J7aJtGphVs

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I wish you could tell me in your own words instead of giving me some other guys take on it.

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I could, but A) I haven't seen the film, and he has, so would you rather get an informed opinion or not? B) Since he summed it up so well, why should I rephrase it when I won't put it any better? C) It's not important enough to me to spend the time on. And D), if it is important to you to find out, you shouldn't have any trouble just watching the video.

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Think about what you're saying. You're arguing on behalf of someone else's opinions on a movie you haven't seen. Why is this worth your time?

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I've found his evaluations to be pretty accurate on multiple other occasions. This isn't a movie of intrinsic interest to me, so I am not going to waste time watching it. Posting a few sentences on this site takes one or two minutes -- not exactly a real sacrifice. You asked a question, I provided a trivially easy path for you to find your answer if you are interested. And in the end, you can always go see the movie yourself to see if his assessment is accurate, and I encourage you to form your own opinions rather than uncritically accepting someone else's word for it.

All that should be good enough for you, if it's not, I don't know what to tell you.

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Here is a detailed description (contains SPOILERS):

The film is very anti-male. All of the Kens and all of the men in the real world are portrayed very badly. Minutes upon arriving in the real world in Los Angeles, a random man smacks Barbie's ass. This is in public in broad daylight. Barbie punches the man and gets arrested. The police, who are all men, make obscene comments to Barbie. Barbie approaches a group of construction workers, again all male, who all make more obscene comments. Later on, Barbie gets arrested again and the male cops again make more obscene comments. Barbie goes to Mattel and the all male board of executives want to put in her a box. Meanwhile, Ken discovers the patriarchy and is excited and exclaims "men rule the world!" He goes back to Barbieland and takes it over along with the help of all the other Kens and oppresses the women. This involves forcing them to watch The Godfather and bring them beer. Barbie helps de-brainwash the Barbies and they trick the Kens into fighting each other so that the Barbie can take back Barbieland. Towards the end of the movie, one of the Kens ask if they can have just one Ken be on the supreme court, but the Barbies refuse and tell him that the kens can only have lower positions. There is also a long speech by a woman about how oppressed she is, no matter what she does. Also, a young girl makes the statement that everyone hates women. It goes beyond usual girl power and is not arguing for equality but is arguing for discriminating against men and allowing women to have all the power and privilege.

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If I recall correctly, the construction crew, in L FUCKIN A, is all WHITE??!!! lol!!!

Yeah, that's really reflecting the real world diversity... NOT.

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Oh great, I love reading a huge block of copy-paste. "arguing for discriminating against men and allowing women to have all the power and privilege."

How did it do that? What was said that argued for discrimination against men?

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Towards the end of the movie, one of the Kens ask if they can have just one Ken be on the supreme court, but the Barbies refuse and tell him that the kens can only have lower positions. In other words, men are denied the chance to even apply or compete for a position because of their gender.

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That's fucked up.

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Where did that spoiler come from? It is quite different than the plot description in Wikipedia and MoviePooper.

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That came directly from me after I saw the movie.

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It's worth caring about since, as the audience should mostly be young girls, they will be receiving a particular message. That is worthy of concern.

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What message are they receiving that you object to specifically?

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If the movie was as goofy as the trailer, yes. But since it's apparently a leftwing diatribe, hard nope. Sigh. I was actually looking forward to it after seeing that trailer.

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Did you expect any different?

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No, I didn't. And this is really the nuance of the issue.

I do find it problematic when Disney takes an established character, with 30 years of background, marketing, and products, and fundamentally changes that character.

I do find it problematic when heroes of an established film franchise are emasculated for the sole purpose of elevating their replacement to fill the hero role that has not been earned.

I don't find it problematic that a film built on the Barbie franchise, which has always been about what it is, stays in line with what it has always been. Why get upset about this one? This one was fully expected.

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Why doesn't Mattel sue?

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BULLSHIT...YOU GUYS NEED TO GROW UP...YOU ARE RUINING THIS SITE AND THE ENTIRE INTERNET.

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You get funnier and funnier with each post.

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kowalski is one fucked up bitch.......

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I DON'T HATE WOMEN OR GAYS OR TRANS PEOPLE IN LIFE OR IN MOVIES...IF THAT EQUALS FUCKED UP BITCH....THEN I GUESS I AM A FUCKED UP BITCH.😘

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Kudos to you for knowing what you are :-)

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finally we got her to admit it!! 🥰

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WEIRD.🫤

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Kowalski finally showing some self-awareness.

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Shockingly left-wing.

One day, history will show the movement for the workers to finally seize the means of production was unexpectedly ignited by two massive American corporations -- and if they sold some toys and merchandise along the way, well, that was just an accident.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Vive la révolution.

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mdrrrrrrr!

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Ĉu vi estas Esperantisto?

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va te faire foutre

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I’m not scared of a little political commentary.

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Neither am I, but I’m disgusted by the incessant woke propaganda inserted into most modern movies. I’ll be skipping this one for sure.

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I don't mind what you might call "woke propaganda" provided it is done in an interesting and effective way that doesn't take away from the film. Barbie was too heavy handed with its themes, whereas other films have had social/political commentary and still been entertaining.

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Nah movies should return to being art and entertainment, not thinly disguised vehicles for nefarious Communist propaganda.

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Communist propaganda, you're really funny.

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You sound triggered. Snowflake

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Weak.

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We can retire the term "snowflake." This is 2023.

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Hollywood: Remember when you loved movies? Now take endless woke propaganda up the ass forever instead

Rusty: No, just make good movies again

Cac1981: Snowflake

🤷🏻‍♂️

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Cry about it more snowflake. I’m sure there are still some solid Klan movies out there for you!

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Why are you into ‘Klan movies’ Cack?

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Yeah, that sounds like a you issue to me. I mean I liked Barbie because she wasn't married. She owned her own dream house, her own car, her own motorhome, and she did that all without the help of her boyfriend. I mean the last time I played with Barbie was in the early 80s, so that might be too woke of a time for you? I don't know.

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Hilariously enough, as more women adopt the kind of mentality that Barbie promotes (i.e., single, materialistic, no kids), the unhappier they've become:
https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf

https://www.nber.org/papers/w29893

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/11/13/20959863/women-happy-chores-gender-gap

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/may/18/womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

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Perhaps that's true. I also think that everyone is miserable these days and there could be multiple causes and not just choosing to be single.

I just was simply commenting that someone being upset that a Barbie movie had a societal commentary doesn't really know anything about Barbie.

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I don't think you read the sources you provided. Just a quick scan of one study showed the reason for women's increased unhappiness is mainly due to men, as in men are the main cause. The root cause of unhappiness in women across the board in all these links is being married. The study discussed in two of the sources was by a married couple with kids, which explains how they came to this conclusion. Not to mention Guardian article "Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert" also confirms this: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert

So, I guess Barbie and her fans are having the last laugh.

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You cited an opinion piece with quotes from Paul Dolan, who misappropriated statistics from the American Time Use Survey, to which The Guardian had to issue an edit and retraction of some of the data, writing...

This article was amended on 30 May 2019 to remove remarks by Paul Dolan that contained a misunderstanding of an aspect of the American Time Use Survey data.


Follow the actual data trends instead of the people pushing the "Barbie lifestyle", and you'll see that a peer reviewed correlative data set of the same survey shows the complete opposite of what Paul wrote. From Daniel S. Hammermish's study, you can see that the Guardian completely fabricated that headline from Dolan's unfounded assertion. The actual data -- taken into account with more recent events -- can be viewed here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7426593/

It clearly states...
Among singles, satisfaction decreases most as more time is spent alone. Additional time spent sleeping or TV-watching reduces satisfaction, while longer usual workweeks and higher incomes increase it. [...]

Moreover, even accounting for all the demographic control variables and for both how and with whom time is spent, people with higher incomes are significantly more satisfied with life than those with lower incomes.


Essentially, if you survey women when they're young and single and racking up a body count, booze, and debt, they'll claim to be happy. But once they hit 35 - 40, still single, mother to cats, and still in debt, that happiness quickly turns to sullenness.

Furthermore, it states...
Married individuals report greater well-being than singles, and within each sample women report greater well-being than men. Neither difference is standardized for other demographic characteristics, and there is at least some disagreement in the literature about the direction of any married-single difference in satisfaction [...]

The positive effects of time with spouse are statistically significant; and the impact of time with friends approaches statistical significance.9 Overall, holding these demographic, geographic and temporal measures constant, people’s choices of “who with” are highly significantly related to their satisfaction.


In short, everything you wrote is statistically wrong based solely on the study used in the piece YOU linked.



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I linked one article, and at least it was an article and not a comic strip. I concede I didn't do a background check on the author to confirm its validity, I just read it, like I read the articles you provided. And none of them confirms your opinion. If anything, the quote you just used confirms that singles are more satisfied the more companionship and money they have - that's the Barbie lifestyle. Everyone who has no money and spends their time watching tv and sleeping most of the time is more unsatisfied, this literally sounds like they're describing depression. There's no specific correlation to being female, being married and being happier - the first article you provided states that married women are often more unhappy than married men because of the men they're married to. This article in Psychology Today gives us an explanation as to why this might be and states why being "Barbie" is a better lifestyle than being a housewife: https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/living-single/201906/single-moms-less-housework-more-leisure-married-moms

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There's no specific correlation to being female, being married and being happier - the first article you provided states that married women are often more unhappy than married men because of the men they're married to. This article in Psychology Today gives us an explanation as to why this might be and states why being "Barbie" is a better lifestyle than being a housewife


The married mothers spent more time cleaning the home, and taking care of the household; a steady home life with both a husband and wife results in fewer kids ending up in prison, for whom 70% of prisoners come from those single un-married households:
https://www.fixfamilycourts.com/single-mother-home-statistics/

They're also the worst performing in school:
https://marripedia.org/effects_of_family_structure_on_children_s_education


Furthermore, single mothers are more sad, stressed, and fatigued, which is why they sleep more than married women:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497991/

Relevant section...

"We found that employed mothers are more fatigued than non-employed mothers. Further, single mothers are less happy and more sad, stressed, and fatigued in parenting than partnered mothers, although these detriments are larger and more consistent among non-employed single mothers. In particular, non-employed single mothers fare significantly worse than employed single mothers and partnered mothers in happiness, sadness and stress in time with children, and experience feelings of fatigue on par with employed mothers. They do not differ, however, in feelings of meaning in time with children—the one emotional indicator that did not vary across sub-groups.


Essentially, the Barbie lifestyle only works if you can keep the veil of materialism shrouded over your face indefinitely. If you're rich and materialistic (like a celebrity) you can get away with it. But the average person is not a celebrity.

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Yeah Wimmin!
get back to looking after my kids and cooking the meals like a good little wife if you know whats good for you!

You wont like it out there in the real world with their parties and swimming pools and convertible cars, trust me

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As tempting as that sounds, I quite like convertible cars and swimming pools, so I'll pass.

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You say that like its a bad thing.

Nothing wrong with a movie also having something to say, as long as it's promoting the right values.

It only makes the movie better.

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Serious question: were people actually expecting a Barbie movie directed by Greta Gerwig to not be feminist?

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Facts

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Who cares? It's a movie based on a toy. Personally, I think Pixar would have made a great barbie movie. That's not what we got. If it bothers you, don watch it.

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I won’t, but I’ll also publicly warn people to avoid it.

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🤣YOU DO THAT.

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I will.

I AM A FUCKED UP BITCH.

Finally, some self awareness.

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AWWW...HIM THINKS COPY & PASTING WORDS WITHOUT CONTEXT IS CLEVER.🙂

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Proud of you bro 🤜🤛

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THANKS.

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Oh... good luck with that.

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Thanks. Good luck trying to stop me and everyone else from spreading the word.

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How could I? Honestly, this movie looks stupid. I'm surprised people even pay attention to something as gaudy as this (thr color scheme is something out of a Tim Burton joke). Aside from the freakshow of weird comments, I wouldn't even consider this flick.

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It doesn't seem to be helping

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