Netflix is too dumb to know what Charlotte looked like - Queen Charlotte: A Bridgerton Story (2023) Discussion

[–] NorrinRad (5470) 2 years ago

The series is NOT a documentary and is stated as such with the opening disclaimer.

Bridgerton is a parallel universe telling a very different story of the Monarchy and the Regency. The writing is also pretty sharp in dealing with the "Great Experiment".

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[–] FootOfDavros (8713) 2 years ago

The series is NOT a documentary...

It's kind of funny you pointed this out because there's another series which is gaining quite a lot of traction at the moment for having a woman of color playing Cleopatra.

"Outrageous!" you might cry but the funny thing is that is indeed a documentary, with it's proposition being could Cleopatra have been a woman of colour? So, it basically reduces to a case of "You're telling me Cleopatra is black in a documentary series postulating Cleopatra could have been black?!!" No shit, Sherlock...

And yet this series, which is not a documentary and is indeed a complete fabrication will have exactly the same people frothing at the mouth at the same outrageous "stealing" of their heritage 😂

Brilliant stuff!

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[–] Hybrid66 (1516) 2 years ago

Have YOU ever read a history book?

What her own friends and even her own DOCTOR described her as?

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[–] Guitar King (5112) 2 years ago

"Widely DISCREDITED claims that Queen Charlotte may have been of black or Sub-Saharan ancestry emerged in the mid-twentieth century.The idea originated with writer J. A. Rogers's 1940 book Sex and Race: Volume I, in which he concluded that the queen must have had a "Negro strain" based on what he described as her "broad nostrils and heavy lips" in her portrait by Allan Ramsay, and a quote by Horace Walpole describing her "nostrils spreading too wide; mouth has the same fault". These details gave rise to much later claims that the queen was "mixed-race","biracial", or "black".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz

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[–] Stratego (31085) 2 years ago

I guess white people can't have wide nostrils??? The idea that she was black is based on a pretty racist assumption.

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[–] Guitar King (5112) 2 years ago

Exactly, and Netflix is perpetuating a myth started long ago by racists.

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[–] liscarkat (19427) 2 years ago

Gary Shandling had big lips. Obviously proves he wasn't a white dude. Must have been black.

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[–] AckbarsRevenge (3800) 2 years ago

What about Tom Hardy? Big lips. Black!

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[–] AmeriGirl26 (15124) 2 years ago

I know. They are so desperate to put black people on a royal pedestal that it looks really fake, like a community theater play instead of a fun Georgian or Regency fantasy. In fact, if you look at paintings of her, she doesn't look all that mixed:

They keep using this painting as justification for casting black actresses because she looks like she has slightly negroid features in this image: https://www.rct.uk/sites/default/files/collection-online/1/7/833718-1539086786.jpg As well as using her tenuous ancestry.

But other paintings reveal that she was very much white:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eKRn8zW2pv8/TVadLBp8N6I/AAAAAAAABJI/_wgU8s8PNio/s1600/Charlotte+NDH.JPG

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/2-queen-charlotte-benjamin-west.jpg

https://www.niceartgallery.com/pic/1af716ea/230204l.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/cb/a5/5acba52659b2508e934fc018b7f25e9c.png

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/60/6a/bc/606abced8a59f8f5b25528fe7e0ae48f.jpg

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Bridgerton is not trying to be historically accurate, you know that right?

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[–] Ranb (11363) 2 years ago

This series is based upon the original Bridgerton series. https://moviechat.org/tt8740790/Bridgerton and https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8740790/

The original Bridgerton series was cast color-blind as regards to white, Asian and Black actors. Interesting twist, except to racists who just can't get past seeing royalty or the rich cast as anything but white. But screw them. :)

The original series was rather popular and got good reviews, as does this one so far.

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[–] Guitar King (5112) 2 years ago

Marxist drivel trying to rewrite history. Piss off.

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[–] Ranb (11363) 2 years ago

How is this program marxist?

That is why they started off with a disclaimer that this show is fiction? Did you skip that part and go straight to being insulted?

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[–] NorrinRad (5470) 2 years ago

It is a work of Fiction. Calm down Voltaire!!

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[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

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[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

No, some of her portraits make her look like she could have had some recent African ancestry:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.g-3A2iGGmNk3VSsayD8wagHaJ-?pid=ImgDet

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.WZJWwGZ38s_ve8VLQaEw3gHaKO?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

... and others make her look as white as Nicole Kidman.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.34a5fea283384ed1d7191a3a8cf83b99?rik=lO%2fWQzevHR0LNA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fuploads4.wikiart.org%2fimages%2fjoshua-reynolds%2fportrait-of-queen-charlotte.jpg&ehk=ZDMbyL1fCMIm5F45zqDQ6%2fPZsDf83TSrodTjI5DcoB8%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/2-queen-charlotte-benjamin-west.jpg

And the main thing we can learn from looking at the 18th century portraits, is that 18th century portraitists weren't honest. Look at a collection of portraits of her, and you'll see what look like a bunch of different women.

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[–] Keelai (36161) 2 years ago

She looked black:

"autobiography of the royal family's physician, Baron Stockmar, where he described her as having "... a true mulatto face.""

Sir Allan Ramsay's painting is the closest representation of her and she does look black in it. She looks similar to your first two links. But, I believe one black ancestor from centuries earlier (1230) would have been extremely diluted by the 1700s.

"that 18th century portraitists weren't honest."

"Painters such as Sir Thomas Lawrence, who painted Queen Charlotte in the autumn of 1789 had their paintings rejected by the royal couple who were not happy with the representations of the likeness of the Queen."

1. Some couldn't accurately draw the person. Not all artists can.
2. Artists are pressured to "fix flaws" from clients.

I think she was white, but the Bridgerton series are meant to be a fantasy in an era pass racial animosity.

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[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

Regarding the known black ancestor from generations before... well. Not all parentage gets recorded in the official family tree.

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[–] AckbarsRevenge (3800) 2 years ago

How on earth should she have had "African ancestry"?!
Father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Charles_Louis_Frederick_of_Mecklenburg
Mother: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Elisabeth_Albertine_of_Saxe-Hildburghausen
History of the House of Mecklenburg:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Mecklenburg
where are these african genes supposed to be coming from?

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[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

If she did have recent African DNA, I presume that her official family tree was not 100% accurate.

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[–] AckbarsRevenge (3800) 2 years ago

You think Duke Charles pulled a Schwarzenegger with his housekeeper? I'm not convinced.

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[–] Otter (24464) 2 years ago

I was wonderibg if some female ancestor had some fun on the side..

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

No, she couldn't. Don't be silly.

Not that it matters because Bridgerton is period fiction.