An All White cast


Is this movie Racist?It hurts my WOKE feelings it looks like David Duke himself directed it...Not even one POC in this.I wanted some Black Vikings like the black Achilles or the Black Ann Boleyn...I hope at least there is some Alphabet representation and empowering female characters that will fight the evil Patriarchy & White Supremacy

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LOL... when I saw the trailer I IMMEDIATELY added it to my watchlist.

This looks like the kind of movie we used to get before Hollywood went woke.

Can't wait to see it.

Alexander Skarsgård looks like a legitimate badass in this film, too.

I also watched the trailer to make sure there was no globohomo propaganda in it, and so far it looks safe!

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Careful it's the director of the witch and the lighthouse. Both A24 films which you say only leftist morons enjoy. So um I guess you are a leftist now also correct?

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Eggers films have been all White casts thus far, no one has cared because the first two were low budget Horror films with small casts (The Witch had what...6 actors involved? Whilst The Lighthouse had about 4 people overall shown on screen).

It makes perfect sense for an historical Viking revenge story set in Scandinavia to have an exclusively White cast.

I do imagine though if Eggers keeps rising in profile and gets larger projects he'll have to diversify things up to keep the media and Hollywood happy. Eventually people (twitter users most likely) will catch on and kick up a ruckus.

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So diversity is a bad thing?

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It makes perfect sense for an historical Viking revenge story set in Scandinavia to have an exclusively White cast.

LOL. Because a modern day audience is unable to comprehend that they are watching a fictional piece rather than a documentary filmed during the Viking time period when cameras didn't even exist? 😂

I hope thinking through the logic of that leads you to understand it makes as much "perfect sense" as it would to have an entirely black cast, i.e. absolutely none...

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There is such a thing as "immersion".

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LOL - It's got Nicole Kidman and Willem Dafoe in it! Two of Hollywood's most famous faces...

So you're saying you could be fully immersed in a Viking film with that pair in it without going "Oh it's Nicole Kidman" or "Another fine performance by Willem Dafoe" but seeing a black face would blow it for you? 😂

Seriously?

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So you're saying you could be fully immersed in a Viking film with that pair in it without going "Oh it's Nicole Kidman" or "Another fine performance by Willem Dafoe" but seeing a black face would blow it for you? 😂

You're being a tit. By your logic we can't use famous actors for anything. Vikings were white, end of story. This means we have an expectation of seeing white characters. If you are trying to pretend that you're colour blind and the visual of black and white is immaterial to you, then I get to call you a liar. How would a white Shaka Zulu do for you?

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No, you are being a tit.

You attempted to use immersion as an excuse for this kind of cloaked racism, which weirdly some find acceptable for period pieces. I merely pointed out the fallacy of even claiming that in this case given the incredibly recognisable faces in the film.

I wouldn't claim to be color blind, merely that I am aware that I am watching a film - not the documentary piece, filmed at the time of the Vikings, I mentioned previously - and I am aware that there are actors of color practicing today. If you are genuinely claiming that you are not aware of exactly the same things, then I'm afraid that it is you I'd have to call out as a liar.

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You attempted to use immersion as an excuse for this kind of cloaked racism,

You are actually holding the racist position here. After all, you're saying that in order to identify with characters you see on screen, they need to be the same skin colour as oneself.

I merely pointed out the fallacy of even claiming that in this case given the incredibly recognisable faces in the film.

No you did not. On the contrary, I pointed out the fallacy in that "argument" of yours. Taking your "logic" to its natural conclusion, you can't watch Indiana Jones because "that's not Indy, that's Harrison Ford!"


I wouldn't claim to be color blind, merely that I am aware that I am watching a film - not the documentary piece, filmed at the time of the Vikings, I mentioned previously - and I am aware that there are actors of color practicing today.
viking film. Otherwise you might as well say "A Clockwork Orange" is a "viking film" as well. Every little anachronism adds up and takes you out of the film. You're never going to be completely free of them, but skin colour is a very visual one.

Again I ask: how about a white Shaka Zulu? You wouldn't be ok with that - if you say you would be, you'd be lying in order to conceal your hypocrisy.

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After all, you're saying that in order to identify with characters you see on screen, they need to be the same skin colour as oneself.

Please do tell me where I said that? I would bet you anything you can't quote me saying that anywhere on this thread...

Your Indiana Jones counter is nonsense as well because it wasn't me putting forward the "case" for immersion, it was you. Of course I can watch Indiana Jones, enjoy the film and be aware at the same time that the actor playing the role in the film I am watching is Harrison Ford. That's pretty much my point.

You on the other hand say non whites in this film are going to ruin your immersive experience despite the fact that you are seeing Nicole Kidman and Willem Dafoe onscreen 😂 That's YOUR position not mine...

As for Shaka Zulu, no idea but ironically I did post this on the Enola Holmes board concerning Zulu some time ago:-
https://moviechat.org/tt7846844/Enola-Holmes/60e5ab251bde593230e00b9b/My-superb-Zulu-satire-on-these-genuine-Guardians-of-History

I'm sure you'll enjoy reading that!

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Please do tell me where I said that? I would bet you anything you can't quote me saying that anywhere on this thread...

It is the logical consequence of what you are saying.

Now YOU please quote where I have said anything racist. You accused me of being one, after all.

Your Indiana Jones counter is nonsense as well because it wasn't me putting forward the "case" for immersion, it was you.

That's right, I did. Then you came up with the nonsense that famous actors would somehow ruin immersion, which is ridiculous - and shows that you don't have the first clue as to what immersion entails.

You can't explain why they dressed actors up in nazi uniforms, just because they were supposed to be German soldiers of WWII. Using your logic, one uniform is as good as another and should under no circumstance be an obstacle to immersion. And if someone would dare to complain that the uniforms are inaccurate, they must be... I don't know... bigoted or something.

You on the other hand say non whites in this film are going to ruin your immersive experience despite the fact that you are seeing Nicole Kidman and Willem Dafoe onscreen

Neither of whom are remotely black, so what's your point?

As for Shaka Zulu, no idea but ironically I did post this on the Enola Holmes board concerning Zulu some time ago:-
https://moviechat.org/tt7846844/Enola-Holmes/60e5ab251bde593230e00b9b/My-superb-Zulu-satire-on-these-genuine-Guardians-of-History

I'm sure you'll enjoy reading that!

What's that word in your title, there? Satire? So not a serious historical treatment, then.

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I'm loving your replies! Practically every single thing you wrote there is nonsense but given you made so many points, I'll reply re each separately... Seriously though, loving your mental gymnastics!

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It is the logical consequence of what you are saying.

So I said in response to this:-
"After all, you're saying that in order to identify with characters you see on screen, they need to be the same skin colour as oneself." show me where I said that.

How exactly is that a logical consequence? I never once mentioned my skin color or requirement to see my skin color represented to identify with anything.

Where's your "logical consequence"? This is simply hot garbage you've written here...

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How exactly is that a logical consequence?

Not "a" logical consequence, but the logical consequence. I'm not really surprised you cannot make a distinction. But to explain my point again:

Your argument for a diverse cast is because people today is diverse. But how on earth is this an argument for a period setting? Unless, of course, you feel that all people are inherently racists who cannot connect with a movie unless they see their own race represented in there.

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You love to shift goalposts don't you?

I think you need to go back and look at my first post here. I haven't argued for a diverse cast at all - I merely pointed out the broken logic of saying it made sense for it to have an all white cast.

It's not exactly the same thing. You clearly want to pigeon hole me as some SJW / woke person but that isn't the case.

I simply find it hilarious people trying to hide behind "historical accuracy" to justify racially segregated casting.

It's just really funny...

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My goal posts are exactly where they have always been. You are the one who keeps trying to shift them with your strawmen.

I haven't argued for a diverse cast at all

Yes you did. Not only through insisting that "non-diversity=racism", without even approaching an attempt to back it up, but you also said the following:


I wouldn't claim to be color blind, merely that I am aware that I am watching a film - not the documentary piece, filmed at the time of the Vikings, I mentioned previously - and I am aware that there are actors of color practicing today.

So you're aware of actors of colour practising today. And you mention this because...?

It's not exactly the same thing. You clearly want to pigeon hole me as some SJW / woke person but that isn't the case.

On the contrary, you are the one who have directly accused me of racism. You are also the first to use the words "SJW" or "woke" in this thread. I never accused you of of either - in fact, what I did was to accuse you of projecting your own racism onto me, and I stand by that. You're a racist, but you don't realise it because you think you're on an anti-racist crusade. But from the start you have been entirely focused on "people of colour" - whereas I have not. I'm not the one discriminating against anyone here, as the only thing I have done is argue for historical accuracy. You don't care about historical accuracy, and that's fine - but that doesn't invalidate the opinions of those who do care about it. It's not "people of colour" I don't like to see - I don't like to see mismatches - regardless of skin colour. Your misguided attempt at lashing out at what you perceive to be racism only reveals the same about you - for reasons I have already explained. You only care that certain minorities are marginalised. You have simply ignored the fact that I objected to white people in non-white roles, but immediately pounced on the exact same scenario when it was non-whites in white roles. You think it's racism only when it goes one way, and that is racism. Racism is treating someone differently on account of their race, and you are the only one to have done so here.

I simply find it hilarious people trying to hide behind "historical accuracy" to justify racially segregated casting.

Historical accuracy does justify racially segregated casting. You keep repeating the opposite claim, but not once have you argued for it. But I can argue for my position in a perfectly simple way:

People of culture X at X point in time looked a certain way. It therefore stands to reason that we should find actors who match their looks to play them.

That's all I have argued. I challenge you to find anything remotely racist about this. You can't, but you'll continue to, because people who have no arguments simply resort to insults.

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You can't explain why they dressed actors up in nazi uniforms, just because they were supposed to be German soldiers of WWII. Using your logic, one uniform is as good as another and should under no circumstance be an obstacle to immersion. And if someone would dare to complain that the uniforms are inaccurate, they must be... I don't know... bigoted or something

Again this you attempting to put your mental failings on to me.

The onus is simply on you to explain why you can see hugely recognisable faces on screen and that will not ruin your precious immersion, yet if you see a black face on screen your immersion is shot 😂

It's this mental gymnastics we really need to get to the bottom of to avoid the charge of cloaked racism...

And trying to import inverse logic re uniforms on to me doesn't not answer that question. Plus I already stated I have no problem realising I am watching a film not a historical documentary shot at the time...

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Again this you attempting to put your mental failings on to me.

On the contrary, I'm using your very own arguments against you.

The onus is simply on you to explain why you can see hugely recognisable faces on screen and that will not ruin your precious immersion,

Why would they? If they look the part, they look the part.

yet if you see a black face on screen your immersion is shot

That's not what I said, is it? Remember what I said about Zulus? Do you think I want to see non-black Zulus? Or non-Japanese samurai? No, I didn't like "Last Samurai", because here's this white guy who comes and out-samurais all the samurai. And I was never remotely interested in watching 47 Ronin with Keanu Reeves either, because... wait for it... white people as samurai breaks it as a samurai movie for me. But to you, I'm a racist because, and only because, I want vikings to be white. Guess what? That makes you the racist, you sanctimonious, pompous git. It's people like you who are responsible for the right-wing wave which is on the rise in Europe and America, because the pendulum always swings. The more you swing left, the more the pendulum is going to swing right as a counter-movement once people are fed up with you. I'm on the left myself, and I'm fed up with you already.

It's this mental gymnastics we really need to get to the bottom of to avoid the charge of cloaked racism...
No, it's strawmen the likes of the quote above that we really need to avoid.

And trying to import inverse logic re uniforms on to me doesn't not answer that question.

What "inverse" logic? It's the same logic. Your argument was that the cast should reflect what people look like today for some reason. Why shouldn't the same apply to uniforms?

Plus I already stated I have no problem realising I am watching a film not a historical documentary shot at the time...

Another strawman. No one is expecting a work of fiction to be a documentary. But they do expect a period setting to strive for historical accuracy. And before you start: no, it's never going to be 100% accurate. But a diverse cast in a non-diverse period of history, that tells the audience "we're not even trying".

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Why would they? If they look the part, they look the part.

You know what? When I first brought up Willem Dafoe and Nicole Kidman, you would have been better served saying something like "You know what you're right about that, I wish they'd make these films with a cast of unknowns so I'm not taken out of the picture. It is pretty hard seeing famous Hollywood stars in these period pieces and keep the immersive feel going"...

Then you would potentially have had a leg to stand on with your position. Instead you require anyone with an IQ over 50 to have to do mental gymnastics to see how you can watch a scene with Nicole Kidman in it and stay fully immersed in your historical piece but God help us if a non white person appeared instead the immersion would be blown 😂...

I guess the problem is that you just can't wrap your head around how funny that is...

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You know what? When I first brought up Willem Dafoe and Nicole Kidman, you would have been better served saying something like "You know what you're right about that, I wish they'd make these films with a cast of unknowns so I'm not taken out of the picture. It is pretty hard seeing famous Hollywood stars in these period pieces and keep the immersive feel going"...

Why? I'm not taken out of it just because I recognise faces from other movies. This is an utterly dead horse you keep beating. Your argument has no merit whatsoever, and it isn't even related to the topic at hand. If they look the part, they look the part.

And now you may address what I said instead of masturbating over how good an argument you thought you made.

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Sorry,. Too thin now - I'll continue my lampooning of your definitely not racist comments further up the thread 👍

(I do love you highlighted "if they look the part" again though as if that was a positive 😂. Your lack of self awareness re this is simply stunning...)

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I highlighted that part in hopes that it would finally register, so that you could address it. Now that you have referenced it, I know that you've read it. Good. Now you no longer have an excuse to ignore it.

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What's that word in your title, there? Satire? So not a serious historical treatment, then.

LOL. Oh dear, 100% fail here...

Yes, it says "Satire" in the title there. But, erm, that's because I was referring to my own post rather than historical treatments, serious or otherwise #facepalm

Jeez... It even says satire on genuine guardians of history.

That's why I thought you would like it buddy because that is you, a genuine 100% all immersive guardian of history!

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Yes, it says "Satire" in the title there. But, erm, that's because I was referring to my own post rather than historical treatments, serious or otherwise

It says "Zulu satire". Referring to what you wrote about in your post. That is to say, you would not for a second entertain an actual historical movie with white Zulus. It's just a silly thought experiment on your part. For some reason, you do not seem to understand what you yourself wrote. At this point I cannot even begin to spoon-feed you any further, because your argument has completely disintegrated.

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we should get a blood test and make sure the cast is the appropriate racial ethnicity too of the time. how far does it go?

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we should get a blood test and make sure the cast is the appropriate racial ethnicity too of the time. how far does it go?

What's the matter with you? Asking that an actor looks the part, is that so much to ask? You wouldn't cast Woody Allen as Rambo, either.

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you had people whining that for the green knight Dev Patel was Indian. which part? this is a fiction

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What are you talking about? I've never discussed the Green Knight.

Also, you don't seem to understand what fiction is. Fiction is make-believe. And what do you need to do in order to make good make-believe? You need to make the audience believe it.

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you are talking to someone who went to school for film. but pleaseeeee lecture me more about filmaking.

I cant wait to hear all your insight

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you are talking to someone who went to school for film.

And yet has no idea why that education is irrelevant to this particular discussion.

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"Also, you don't seem to understand what fiction is. Fiction is make-believe. And what do you need to do in order to make good make-believe? You need to make the audience believe it."

suspension of disbelief isnt relevant to film?

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you are talking to someone who went to school for film

This is the goto response of someone who thinks they are above other people morally due to "x" job. Happens on Twitter all the time. Just because you went to film school doesn't make you right or anything you say correct. It doesn't make your opinion any more valid compared to anyone elses.

Simple question.

Would you say the same thing if a ficitonal world set in africa based on african mythology and history had a known historically homogeneous group cast as a mix of asain, white and black actors. It is only fiction remember. Or would you say it was stupid based on the material being used.

Just because something is fiction doesn't mean it can be anything you want it to be. The creator lays down its world and rules whether it be a book or screenplay that should be honoured and adhered to.

Should a movie set in 14th century medieval England have modern cars in it. No it would be stupid so why don't people use the same logic when it comes to race and skin colour.

I know the reason and it is pointed out many times over and over again. This is due to rules only flowing in one direction. Personally I am all for colour blind casting as long as it is done correctly and not done by massively over compensating because they think they are making up for past grievances.

Black roles can't be changed because there culture and history is important.
White roles can be changed to anything they want because it is only fiction.

These are the two excuses used constantly

The hypocrisy is beyong ridiculous sometimes.

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gishgallop more

brevity is the soul if wit. try it sometime

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So no answers then. Nothing to help with the discussion you are involved in so you just reply with nonsense.

Ok. Usually when this happens is because you cannot answer and so try to derail the conversation due to this.

Edit - Nice editing of your reply with "brevity is the soul if wit" Again making out somehow you are more intelligent and know more than others. Not the case by the way. Like I said people reply like this when they have nothing to offer.

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yes I don't respond to gishgallops! try again!

yes its a well known saying. I am sorry you had to respond to basically 3 small sentences with 7 paragraphs. you need to tune up your writing/ argument skills

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So nothing to offer then and can't answer simple questions that go against your narrative.

Got it.

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yes I don't deal with 7 paragraph gishgallops to reply to three small sentences I wrote! if I write a paragraph next time am I going to get 20 paragraphs? I have a life. you do not apparently

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yes I don't deal with 7 paragraph gishgallops

You keep using that word thinking it makes you look pseudo intellectual. It doesn't. Makes you look a bit of a douchebag really. If you had anything to offer you would actually post it instead you try and derail the conversation. I gave a perfectly resonable example of fiction which for what ever reason you simply will not answer. I wonder why. Is it because you can't as if you do it will prove your entire point of "it is only fiction" as complete bullshit. Personally I think it is that.

I have a life. you do not apparently

You are on a message board replying to people on a message board. What part of that means you somehow have more of a life than everyone else replying to people on a message board. You do realise people have phones and can answer these posts from anywhere at anytime. Don't need to be sat behind a PC. Or do you actually think everyone is sat behind a computer all the time.

You are a hypocrite when it comes to subjects like this. You will claim things are fiction but when other examples are given you will say that race and skin colour are important. I know your type.

So I end the same as the other posts. You have nothing to offer or discuss and you will reply because you need to get the last word in and use some other bullshit excuse that you don't read gishgallops but will still think they sit on a morale throne because they went to film school. Woop dee do. Doesn't mean anything.

Maybe I should just keep writing as if you don't read it then I can say anything about you. Interesting.

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5 paragraph reply to three sentences.. as I said. point proven

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A point has been proven, yes - but not your point.

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brevity is the soul if wit. try it sometime

Well, brevity is the soul of wit, but on the other hand it takes more effort to debunk BS than it does to spout it. You have to be extremely detailed in your response to bullshitters, because at every turn they will try to twist your words. They will pounce on each little room for interpretation and twist the words into whatever strawman they prefer.

So yes, brevity is the soul of wit - but it only works if the recipients have any wit to speak of themselves.

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suspension of disbelief isnt relevant to film?

Not what I said, is it? Suspension of disbelief is relevant to fiction, it is not peculiar to the film industry. An education in film making does not focus on the philosophical aspects of make-believe, but rather the technical aspects of film making - which is why it isn't relevant to what we're discussing.

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I one THOUSAND percent would cast Woody as Rambo. And YOU would go see the movie. . .good grief, can you Imagine the possibilities????!!!?

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Well, yes, I probably would go see that movie, to be honest. But it would be a very, very different movie, I think we can all agree.

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Boy it must be a barrel of laughs for Mrs Aksel (if she existed) visiting the cinema with you. I can just picture the scene...
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Aksel sits upright, erect, tense in his seat. White knuckles firmly gripping his armrests. Foaming froth visibly bubbling, his lower jaw protrudes grating anxiously:-

"There better not be any of those blacks in this film or I am going to FxCKxNG. LOSE. IT!"

"It's not that I'm racist mind. Oh no, it's just that when I go to see historically set action fiction movies I don't want to see THEM or it will take me right out of the film... That's all. Nothing against them. I mean they can go and star in THEIR own historic films can't they? I just don't want to see them in MY historic films."

The film begins. With no blacks to be seen Aksel settles comfortably down and begins to enjoy his immersive action film - historical accurate so far! - experience. Then Nicole Kidman appears onscreen:-

(To self)
"There's that Nicole Kidman. Now she was quite alright on that Eyes Wide Shut if you know what I mean, hee hee... No, hang on a minute, I don't want to be thinking of other films, the immersion it's going!"

"No but it's ok she looks the part, she looks the part. She's white, she's one of US. It's ok just forget about her, she looks the part, she's one of us... A genuine white Viking that's what she is. Oh look over there - a genuine looking Viking sword. It's all going to be ok... I'm immersed again... She looks the part. She's one of us. She's not one of THEM"

Aksel calms down. The sweat wiped from his brow, order has been restored. He begins watching his action fantasy film fully immersed, once again comforted by its authenticity to its historical setting.

The next scene begins. Willem Dafoe appears onscreen:-

(To self)
"Willem Dafoe! One of my favourite character actors... Oh no, it's happening again...", etc, etc...

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Do you have anything else other than strawmen? Anything at all?

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LOL. Strawmen says the guy who has attempted to deflect the charge laid against him in practically every post (Indiana Jones indeed...)!

I seriously don't believe you know what the term strawman actually means as my point lasers specifically in on looking someone directly in the face, no deflection required. Whereas you are reduced to asking me about uniforms in Indiana Jones films and white Zulus 😂.

I think the post above (which references Nicole Kidman looking the part quite nicely) says it all. But there is 0% chance you will address that, as it simply cannot be refuted. What I suspect I will get instead is more worthless goalpost shifting...

Good luck to you Sir 👍

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LOL. Strawmen says the guy who has attempted to deflect the charge laid against him in practically every post (Indiana Jones indeed...)

I have directly addressed everything you've said. You're the one who has consistently refused to address anything I've said, instead twisting my words beyond recognition. Your previous post is a prime example.

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So diversity is a bad thing?

It must be: I haven't seen it applied to black sub-saharan Africans, to pick one example. If it was good, Hollywood would be applying to them in lots of movies.

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Lol right ok buddy.

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When it's realistic no, when it's not realistic yes. Funny anti racists never complain about the lack of diversity in Chinese or Japanese movies.

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Where did I complain about lack of diversity?

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Originally posted by moviefanatic505:


So diversity is a bad thing?

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I asked a question. That's not complaining about lack of diversity. Learn to read.

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You asked a question and I answered it and added a valid point at the end.

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At the end claimed I complained about lack of diversity. I never did. Man so what's the scoreboard now? You ever getting tired of looking foolish?

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My quote exactly as I wrote it:

Funny anti racists never complain about the lack of diversity in Chinese or Japanese movies.


Where are you mentioned again?

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Why add that if it wasn't directed at me? Hmm? Your reply was also to me. You got caught trying to imply something now own it. What was your intent with saying that to me?

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Why not add it? So you're not supposed to add any criticism of other people when you reply to someone's post, even though it's a totally valid point? I've read the terms and conditions of this forum and that one is not anywhere in it.

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Your intent was to lump me into the category of the people you hate. I didn't bite and you failed. Pointing to others and trying to throw that generalization onto me shows your argument or point is weak.

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Given what you wrote I logically assumed you are the one who thinks diversity is a good thing even when it doesn't belong such as in this movie. In any case what you think doesn't matter. Leftists complain about lack of diversity only when the movie is White, but never when the movie is all another race. It's utter hypocrisy. I made a perfectly valid point, and I in no way apologize for it.

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Never said that diversity belonged everywhere you made a baseless assumption. I asked a simple question. The issue is people such as yourself don't want diversity anywhere. In the batman movie people complained about Catwoman not being white. Despite the fact that the race is not essential to the character and she has been depicted as different races before that film. Eartha Kitt and the Year One comic book. Not a leftist, I'm neither right or left I'm just not a boot licker like you. No your point was a baseless assumption. So another point for me. You are dismissed.

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"In the batman movie people complained about Catwoman not being white."

Can you point to some examples? I remember Hale Berry playing cat woman and no one said anything. Hell, I think that the first cat woman on screen has been black and no one cared ...

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https://moviechat.org/tt1877830/The-Batman/61cdad1fa8e1e32d6e3c69f5/Pavlovs-Racism

Read the link and see some of his posts. He is upset because she is not white. If it ain't white it ain't right.

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From my perspective Catwoman is White. The fist time, I was exposed to her character was when I was a kid in Batman Returns with Michelle Pfeifer. I don't care what she looked like in the comics. Nobody but overgrown nerds and 11 year old kids reads comics. White women are more attractive than Black women. Physical attractiveness is a desirable feature for a woman in any movie. They changed her race due to POLTICAL woke reasons and they made her less physically attractive in the process lowering the quality of the entire movie for some leftist woke garbage reasons.

And the idea I have a problem with non Whites in movies is total BS. I only have problem when diversity is forced where it doesn't belong for political reasons. I've watched plenty of movies that have an all Black cast and I didn't mind them one bit. It all depends on the context.

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Listen to what you just said, from your perspective. That door swings both ways. Someone could turn around and say well from my perspective she is mixed ethnicity because I first read the Year One comic book or the first one I saw was Eartha Kitt. I do not care if you care about the comic books that is irrelevant. It does not change the fact that without the comic books you wouldn't have Pfeiffer's version. The comic book character obviously predates her. Just like how Batman would not exist without the comic book. Also no beauty is not limited to ethnicity. I find Kravitz to be stunning. I also found Eartha Kitt pretty as well. The Batman as it stands is better received critically than any Burton Batman film. Not just by critics but by users as well. So you are in the minority in not liking it sorry pal.

No just admit you are a racist and I would have more respect for you. You openly said whites are better than blacks which is a racist comment. I am glad the Batman was a success and we will be getting a sequel. Good things morons like you are not in charge of making films.

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I was just justifying why I personally prefer Catwoman to be White. You attacked me for having this personal preference so I defended it. Most people find White women more attractive than Black women. I made a valid point. They decreased the entire quality of the movie for just to push a left wing political agenda.

"No just admit you are a racist and I would have more respect for you. You openly said whites are better than blacks which is a racist comment"

You've just admitted you don't care about the truth and only care of something is seen as heretical in a given society in a given time. In my view, you've just discredited yourself.

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I do not care what you prefer. You have the right to prefer whatever you want. I just get annoyed when people such as yourself act like film makers have to bow down to your preferences. I prefer Catwoman to be mixed. I can respect the white portrayals but I prefer Kravitz. Now it is time for you to be mature enough to do the same. You will not though. If it ain't white it ain't right. Nope the film as it stands is one of the best Batman films so no wrong.

Nope you are a racist.

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" If it ain't white it ain't right. "

Total bollocks. I watch movies that are 100% Black and it doesn't bother me one bit. What I'm opposed is anti White ideology ever more so present in Hollywood. You can't even oppose your ethnicity being replaced by another for political reasons, without some idiot calling you a racist.

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I watch movies that are 100% Black and it doesn't bother me one bit.

LIKE BIG BLACK SCHLONG 12 AND BLACKS ON BLONDES.


YOU LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE JACKASS IN THIS EXCHANGE...THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS.😘

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Nope, not porn. Real movies. I'm only bothered by anti White ideology, nothing else.

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Nope, he is upset because she is miscast.

That can mean anything (including not being white).

And he makes a very good point that if anyone criticize her for ANY reason that one will be branded as racist.

PS: but I read only his first post, not the whole thread.

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He thinks she is miscast because she isn't white. Also that door swings both ways. If anyone thinks she is good he will claim that they are a leftist sjw moron. I happen to think she is good in the role it has nothing to do with race. I also thought Halle Berry was miscast as Storm in X-Men. In his case it's racism though. Read the thread do not cherry pick. If it ain't white it ain't right.

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That's because before SJWs and modern woke nonsense character's races weren't being changed for political reasons, unlike today. Now people see the politics being shoved down their throat and they don't like it.

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"Never said that diversity belonged everywhere you made a baseless assumption. "

I never said YOU said that. What you think is irrelevant. I'm saying leftists tend to complain about the lack of diversity even where diversity doesn't belong and ONLY when it's a White cast. They NEVER complain about the lack of diversity when it's an Asian cast even in an American film like Shang Chi which doesn't feature a single Black character. If a majority White movie didn't feature a single Black character, there would be an outrage, but if it's an Asian one it's OK. It all goes back to the general political standard for the whole society that exclusion is immoral only if White people do it. Total hypocrisy.

The "race is not essential to the character" argument is a catch 22. Race is NEVER essential when the character is White and ALWAYS essential when the character is non White. If Catwoman had traditionally been portrayed as Black, race would be essential to her character just like Shaft. Spiderman who has traditionally been portrayed as White, his race isn't essential to his character so that's why he's been changed to Black in the latest animated movie. It's a double standard. Non Whites are allowed to have exclusively their characters but Whites aren't.

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You are talking to me not a leftist. Therefore it is not my job to argue their talking point, you go take that up with them. Bringing it up to me is irrelevant. Also no I do not believe you about your comments in Shang Chi. Funny how you people do the same thing. If a white character gets race swapped it is an issue if there is whitewashing you make excuses for it. Tigerlily was whitewashed in the film Pan. Did you say a word? Nope because it is fine so long as it is whitewashed. If race swapping is not okay then it is not okay period. You do not get to have it both ways.

I personally do not care if they made Blade white or made Luscious Fox white. Race is essential when it is an integral part of their character. For example Mulan. Catwoman's motivations, or character has no ethnicity set in stone. Which is why she was a different ethnicity in the Year One comic book. Nope Batman is still white in the latest film and no one is complaining. Try again bud.

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There is no such thing as Whitewashing. No character has ever been replaced from Black to White for political reasons. This is not an excuse, but a valid argument. I have made this point several times, and you never have any counter arguments. Changing races for practical reasons shouldn't bother anyone. Even I would not be bothered if a White character was race swapped with a Black one for practical reasons.

White characters are being changed to non White purely for political and ideological reasons. The reverse is never done. It's in line with Hollywood left wing anti White ideology. My point stands.

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Yes.

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Why is that?

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Yup, it is.


Look at the most successful societies on globe and you will see something interesting: they are mostly homogenous and non-diverse.

And you will see something else: when they start to be more diverse they tend to lose ground.

Look at the US: it was at it's peak when it was 80%+ whites. Now that the whites are getting slowly under 50% it's becoming more and more of a shithole (economically speaking).

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If you don't like it you are more than welcome to leave the country.

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I know but that's not the point, is it?

Or wait, did you just agree that diversity is a bad thing?? :D

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Sure it is if you honestly feel that way why not leave?

No I don't agree actually. I like how anytime a country's economy goes bad that's the immediate thing people jump to. There are other diverse countries that function better than America.

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"Sure it is if you honestly feel that way why not leave?"

Because it's still better than where I could easily go. Plus: I didn't say that I don't like it here. I said that it used to be better and it's slowly becoming a shithole.

"There are other diverse countries that function better than America."

Oh yeah? Like which ones? List a few.

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Sweden for one but let me ask ok then so how do you make America not diverse? What's your solution?

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Sweden?

You must be joking. Let me ask you something first: have you ever travelled outside USA???

Sweden is around 90% white. And up to few decades it was almost 100% white.

https://study.com/learn/lesson/sweden-racial-demographics-history-groups.html

And the influx of different ethnicities and cultures had hurt them as well.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/6/sweden-refugees-racismstockholm.html

"how do you make America not diverse? What's your solution?"

I'm not saying that we should stop it from becoming diverse, just pointing out that diversity is a problem.

If we accept that it is a problem what's my solution? First of all: stop all illegal immigration. That would be a first step. Deport the ones that are already here and don't have a stable situation. Keep a sane immigration policy, specially skill based.

Second: assimilation of any culture into the main culture. The problem is not so much a problem of racial diversity as much as of cultural diversity ...

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I am saying it's growing yet still is better than America.

You think immigration is to blame for all the country's woes? Seriously?

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Definitely, look what happened when all the white ppl came to America.

jk lol

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jk? Nope, no joke, it's the painful truth.

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No. As I said the drug war, healthcare and money spent on wars are the thing that has done the damage not diversity.

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I think you didn't properly read my comment.

When the European brought diversity to North America they happened to kill 80% of the population, grab the land, grab the resources, etc. Same happened on the Central and South continent.

See? Diversity and immigration really fucked the old Americas.

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Yeah, it's better because they are still at 90% monocultural :D

You know, like USA was in the glory days ;)

Where did I say "for all the country woes"??? But for sure it plays a part.

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Even if they got to our level of diversity it would still be better than America. Mainly because our healthcare system is an absolute joke.

The Drug War, Healthcare and the wars have done far more damage to this country than illegal immigration has.

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"Mainly because our healthcare system is an absolute joke." that has nothing to do with diversity.

"The Drug War, Healthcare and the wars have done far more damage to this country than illegal immigration has."

Shall I play again the "Are you joking?" card??? Most of Europe was literally destroyed during both world wars. USA haven't seen a war on it's ground for hundreds of years. Please read some history.

There are other reasons for which US is becoming a shithole.

I actually enjoy the idea of paying only 0.1% and NOT paying 15% of my income (like in Europe) for health care.

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I'm not talking about Europe I'm talking about America. The drug war, healthcare and money spent on wars did more damage than immigration. How much money was spent on the Iraq war? How much debt to people go in for medical bills? You think the drug war is good? Yeah add all that up and that did more damage bud.

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"I'm not talking about Europe I'm talking about America."

If Europe could recoup from the wars America should have had no problem.

You are talking socialist points that actually have little influence on the general situation.

The main problem: manufacturing power transferred to China. USA slowly becoming a market and not a producer.

Immigration (ILLEGAL) is also a problem that ties to that, illegal immigrants will work for lower wages (even legal immigrants work for lower wages - now that I have a GC make twice as much as when I was on H1B and I'm thinking to change my job for a 20-30% increase which would not had been possible on the H1B) and they take a lot of the unskilled jobs, no wonder the minimum wage is not raising ...

Btw, have you ever heard of the so called H1B plantations (or factories)?

Companies that specialize in bringing in immigrants on H1B visa, exploiting them for 6 years and then sending them back home? With wages A LOT lower than what the market offers but higher than what they would make home.

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Again you are side stepping certain points I made. The reason why other countries can recover is because certain other countries have better healthcare than America does. Why is it the police department, the fire department and public schools are covered under taxes but healthcare isn't? Who's fault is it for immigrants working lower wages? The people who work it or the big corporations that hire them?

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"The reason why other countries can recover is because certain other countries have better healthcare than America does."

Hahahaha, that's precious. Really? The reason Germany raised after being flattened to the ground by the soviets and by the americans is that they had better healthcare???

Hahahahaha, this is hilarious. Let's stop here, I think I had enough laughing for today ...

PS: Btw, how did USA raise to the status of 1st world superpower and 1st in quality of life in the 60-70s if it didn't have ... healthcare??? Hahaha.

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We are done here. I have engaged with you before. You are dismissed buddy. I did not just say healthcare, I pointed to wars, and drug war. Kep living in delusion though bud.

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bud, in the 70s USA was right after the wars and in the middle of the vietnam war and the cold war. It had no healtcare either and was in the middle of the war on drugs and still was no1 power and highest quality of life in the world.

WTF are you talking about??? Can't you see how flawed your reasoning is?

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We are done here.

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https://www.opindia.com/2022/04/rioters-allahu-akbar-torch-vehicles-attack-cops-anti-immigration-activist-burns-quran-sweden/

https://www.opindia.com/2020/08/a-day-after-burning-the-streets-of-sweden-muslim-mob-clashes-with-anti-islamization-protestors-in-norway/

You were saying???

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What do these isolated incidents prove? Nice confirmation bias. Just because incidents occur does not automatically mean diversity is to blame. Anyways quit replying to me you are an idiot. We are done here.

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Those are not isolated incidents. See the bigger picture.

yeah, is not diversity to blame for a cultural clash between different ethnicities/cultures.

Anyways quit replying to me you are an idiot.

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We are done here.

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Look at the most successful societies on globe and you will see something interesting: they are mostly homogenous and non-diverse.

The least successful societies on the globe, you mean. From ancient times, super-powers were always diverse. And in modern times, we see that the most successful countries - the industrialised world - are also by far the most diverse. Japan is kind of the big exception here, but they had a lot of help from the US getting back on their feet after WWII.

Look at the US: it was at it's peak when it was 80%+ whites. Now that the whites are getting slowly under 50% it's becoming more and more of a shithole (economically speaking).

The US was the most diverse nation in the world then, and it still is today. And no, it is not more of a shithole today, it is considerably less. There was a violent crime spike in the early '90s, but crime has been steadily going down ever since. Illegal immigration has been going down, down, down since the early '00s (contrary to the image Trump presented to you, illegal immigration was at an all time low when he entered office), you have much better infrastructure, and a much better safety net (health care, social security etc. etc.) than ever before.

People are very good at identifying all the things they don't have, especially when they have a lot. The more we have, the more we complain.

As a final thought, the worst places in the world are usually pretty homogenous, because no one wants to go there.

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"And in modern times, we see that the most successful countries - the industrialised world - are also by far the most diverse"

Simply not true. Examples?

Europe was not for sure. Asia the same - Japan is not the only one. South Korea, China, Taiwan, etc. As a reminder we are talking about RACIAL diversity, not ethnicity.

"the US was the most diverse nation in the world then, and it still is today. "

False - we are talking about RACE diversity (and even cultural - the white culture is pretty much monolithic based on the same, Christian, values). Then USA was over 80% white. Way less diverse than now.

"you have much better infrastructure" hahahaha. Not true. The infrastructure in USA is a joke, most of it built in the 60s-70s and today is VERY poorly maintained.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2021/11/15/the-time-is-now-to-modernize-u-s-infrastructure/

And I was talking economically. USA has way more homeless than then. Wage growth minimal. A lot more people depending on food stamps. Back then a middle class worker could easily afford a decent house and to be the sole source of income for a family of 4. Etc Etc.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States

Your sources of information suck.

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Europe was not for sure.

How do you figure? Best countries to live in are concentrated in Europe.


Asia the same - Japan is not the only one. South Korea, China, Taiwan, etc.

China actually has lots of minorities. But China isn't exactly a shining beacon of success, either. Successful from the nation's perspective - not so much for the people.

As a reminder we are talking about RACIAL diversity, not ethnicity.

Then you have even fewer legs to stand on. If you're not talking about cultural differences, then your hypothesis was debunked more than half a century ago. But even so, the rate of racial diversity has always been less than ethnic diversity.

False - we are talking about RACE diversity (and even cultural - the white culture is pretty much monolithic based on the same, Christian, values). Then USA was over 80% white. Way less diverse than now.

But still MORE diverse than anyone else in the world at the time, like I said.

hahahaha. Not true. The infrastructure in USA is a joke, most of it built in the 60s-70s and today is VERY poorly maintained.

The reason most was built in the 60s-70s is because it still holds up. By what standards do you call it a joke? What countries are you comparing it to? And if you think it's a joke now, then you clearly weren't around in the 60s-70s. USA's infrastructure remains among the best in the world, no matter how poor it may be.

And I was talking economically.

As was I.

USA has way more homeless than then.

Than when? Homelessness increased sharply in the '80s-'90s, but has since been gradually declining.

Wage growth minimal.

The growth of wage growth has been minimal the past 10-15 years, but the wage growth itself is not. 2021 saw the biggest wage growth in decades. It should be mentioned, however, that price growth was even higher.

A lot more people depending on food stamps.

That's a controversial claim. The number of people on food stamps is determined by two factors, in a nutshell: the amount of people who need food stamps, and the amount of people eligible for food stamps. In 1996 a bill was passed which made a lot more people ineligible, thereby effectively causing the overall numbers to plummet. So getting any meaningful data for an extended period of time can be quite tedious work. In addition, I suspect you are going by raw numbers, rather than percentages. The US population has been continually growing, which means the raw numbers for just about everything can be expected to grow.

Back then a middle class worker could easily afford a decent house

Could they? A decent house by today's standards as well?

Your sources of information suck.

A lot of it is found in your own sources, none of which supports your claim that "things were better in the old days" - much less that "darkies are to blame".

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"How do you figure? Best countries to live in are concentrated in Europe."

Best countries yes, BUT they are NOT diverse. Again I'm talking about cultural and racial diversity. Europe is FAR from being diverse.

Sweden: 90% white
Norway: 90% white
Denmark: 2% are black, and above 90% are white.
Germany: 90% white
France (even France!!!): 85% white
UK: 80% white
Switzerland: 95% white

Where diversity???

"much less that darkies are to blame" - shall I ask you to pay a bit of more attention? Where did I say that???

I said "diversity" and it's proven that racial diversity brings racial tensions everywhere. Look at the last 2 years of US riots.

"It should be mentioned, however, that price growth was even higher." bingo. economy 101. Purchase power going down.

"The reason most was built in the 60s-70s is because it still holds up. By what standards do you call it a joke? What countries are you comparing it to? And if you think it's a joke now, then you clearly weren't around in the 60s-70s. USA's infrastructure remains among the best in the world, no matter how poor it may be."

Did you read that page?

USA's infrastructure IS A JOKE. I drive on SoCal highways everyday. I5, I805, I405 are in VERY bad shape. Main streets in San Diego are worse than anything I've seen in Europe, ever. Unacceptable. I can go out right now and take a picture with the potholes in University Ave. Same with LA. Even the highways in my original shithole of a country with almost zero infrastructure are in better shape.

HighSpeed trains? Rail transportation is a joke in USA. There's only one high speed trail between DC and Boston and it AVERAGES 66mph (although it can go as high as 150mph).

"There are 3 daily trains from San Diego to Seattle. Traveling by train from San Diego to Seattle usually takes around 37 hours and 6 minutes" - ~1300 mile - ha, infrastructure. ha ha, hahahaha, ahahahahahaha

China:
"There are 3 pairs of trains running between Beijing and Nanning. Among them, usually two pairs are bullet trains running with duration of 11 - 13 hours" ~ 1500 miles

Europe and East Asia have thousands of miles of TGV.

If you consider USA infrastructure to be the best in the world you are mistaken. And even if you consider it the "best" (lol) in the world (which is not, not even close) it was built decades ago and now it's not even maintained. Economic (lack of funds) reasons. Read again that whitehouse page.

"But still MORE diverse than anyone else in the world at the time, like I said." the only problem with your argument, although sounds valid, is that up to that point only one race had practically absolute power. So although yeah, more diverse then others (specially then when most of Europe was 99% white) but in all practical aspects most other races didn't have a say in how the country is run. I'm not debating if that was good or bad, I'm just pointing out the aspect.

And if diversity is a positive then things should had been better for USA since it has become even more diverse.

Look at UK - they voted to get out of EU BECAUSE of the increasing diversity. I see that as a net loss for them.

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Best countries yes, BUT they are NOT diverse. Again I'm talking about cultural and racial diversity. Europe is FAR from being diverse.

This is due to narrow mindness of Americans who only see diversity by skin colour. Literally black and white.

Europe is more diverse than America will ever be and skin colour doesn't even come into it.

Are you suggesting because Europe is 90% white then we are all the same. That someone from England can seamlessly acclimate themselves to say Germany or Poland or Norway. Again what a very narrow minded viewpoint.

24 languages across Europe.

There are language differences, cultural and historical differences. What someone finds offensive in one country will be fine another.

If you genuinly believe Europe isn't diverse then you need to travel more. Colour does not automatically mean diverse.

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I'm from Europe. And I've seen half of it. It is NOT that diverse.

Specially from a cultural viewpoint we all (Europeans) have the same Christian values.

No, we are NOT the same but the differences between a French and German are a lot less striking than the differences between a white French and a muslim from Africa. Or even compared to an African American. Or even compared to an acclimatized African in Paris.

Plus: in case you weren't paying attention (which obviously you didn't) we were talking about countries. Yes, 90% of the population in Germany is not just white ... but German. Same with Sweden, same with Denmark, same with what country you want to choose.

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It is NOT that diverse

It is but you will scream louder than me to prove your point even though you are wrong.

Specially from a cultural viewpoint we all (Europeans) have the same Christian values.

No we don't. Speaking of England alone we got rid of christianity in favour of Church of England. That alone disproves your point. There are also many countries in Europe who do not have Christian values.

And I've seen half of it. It is NOT that diverse.

Oh well then that is the end of the conversation. You have seen half of it. Exactly half or a little over or under. Still doesn't make you right.

No, we are NOT the same but the differences between a French and German are a lot less striking

Except history, culture, language, upbringing, food, family, war. Yeh apart from that they are all the same.

Once again you are using a narrow minded view that skin colour is the only measure of diversity, it isn't.

Plus: in case you weren't paying attention (which obviously you didn't)

Love the little condescending ending there. Shows you true intellect when you need to resort to this type of repsonse.

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Well, I don't know what to think about your intellect when say something as stupid as this:

"Speaking of England alone we got rid of christianity in favour of Church of England"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

"The Church of England (C of E) is the established Christian church in England, and the mother church of the international Anglican Communion. It traces its history to the Christian church recorded as existing in the Roman province of Britain by the 3rd century and to the 6th-century Gregorian mission to Kent led by Augustine of Canterbury."

Are you that dense to not know that are more Christian denominations and that your Church is one them?

Maybe you wanted to say that you are not Catholic. Are you confused by the terms Christian and Catholic? In Europe there are a lot of denominations but all are Christian. Catholics, protestants, greek-orthodox, russian-othodox, etc.

Again: it appears that you either don't pay attention either you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about ...

"Once again you are using a narrow minded view that skin colour is the only measure of diversity, it isn't." once again, you are not paying attention. I said several times that includes culture, values, etc.

"Love the little condescending ending there. Shows you true intellect when you need to resort to this type of repsonse." funny coming from you. Or the same "rule" doesn't apply to you???

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Best countries yes, BUT they are NOT diverse.

Sure, but if you look at countries which are less diverse with a majority white population, they are worse off.

USA's infrastructure IS A JOKE. I drive on SoCal highways everyday. I5, I805, I405 are in VERY bad shape. Main streets in San Diego are worse than anything I've seen in Europe, ever. Unacceptable.

How much time have you spent in Europe? I've spent my whole life here. Born and raised in Norway, but have travelled all over Europe. What I find is that good infrastructure has to do with topography more than anything else.

I once had a girlfriend from Florida, and while she loved most aspects about Norway she thought our roads were in a sorry state. And they are. Because of our mountainous terrain and sparse population, it simply isn't worth it to build highways of the sort you'll find on the continent. And every winter will wreak havoc on asphalt roads.

You may think infrastructure in the US is a joke, but that's because you're spoiled. By every metric for infrastructure, the US comes very well off.


"There are 3 daily trains from San Diego to Seattle. Traveling by train from San Diego to Seattle usually takes around 37 hours and 6 minutes" - ~1300 mile - ha, infrastructure. ha ha, hahahaha, ahahahahahaha

I have no idea who you're quoting here, but I fail to see that as an example of bad infrastructure. And a country doesn't have "bad infrastructure" just because it lacks TGVs. Norway has exactly 0 miles of TGV lines, you would eat your words about roads if you ever visited, and yet we have excellent infrastructure. Good infrastructure means that things get to where they're supposed to go, and if one route breaks down, there will be alternative routes without significant delay.

Look at UK - they voted to get out of EU BECAUSE of the increasing diversity. I see that as a net loss for them.

Indeed, Brexit has been a net loss for the UK. Eggs in their faces. Especially as they realise they now have an acute lack of manpower in jobs that white Brits by and large don't want to do. That's the thing about the West: not only do we not suffer from immigration, we depend on it.

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"Sure, but if you look at countries which are less diverse with a majority white population, they are worse off."

You're kidding, right? Sweden 90% white. Wouldn't you call 90% a majority??
Norway: 95% white! Isn't that a majority???
Germany: 90% white! Isn't that a majority???

Are worse than who?

If you mean East Europe: sure, but they (we, I'm from East Europe) have gone through 2 World Wars and 50 years of socialism. And the trend, after ditching socialism, is to get better and better, not worse and worse like USA.

"How much time have you spent in Europe?"

most of my life. Traveled all over Europe as well. Moved to USA fairly recent but I've been in few states - arguably CA has the infrastructure with the worst state out of the ones I've seen but I have NEVER seen anything as bad in Europe.

"You may think infrastructure in the US is a joke, but that's because you're spoiled. By every metric for infrastructure, the US comes very well off."

I just gave you a link from the house decrying the crumbling infrastructure. Did you read it????

"I have no idea who you're quoting here, but I fail to see that as an example of bad infrastructure."

Quoting websites that provide that information. It's an example of a lack of infrastructure. Why is it that hard for you liberals to understand the point??

Yes, you don't need a TGV in Norway (a peninsula with not such big distances and sparse population) while in countries with large contiguous territories (USA, China, EU, etc) they have become mandatory.

Btw, you WILL have a TGV line EVEN in Norway (there are plans):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Norway

"Indeed, Brexit has been a net loss for the UK. Eggs in their faces."

good, so you understand at least one aspect in which diversity can lead to bad outcomes? ANd yes, racial tensions in USA are at the highest in the last few decades - diversity, right.

Look at the last 2 years of riots, destruction, looting in some of the US cities. I don't know if ANY sane person would call that "positive".

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You're kidding, right? Sweden 90% white. Wouldn't you call 90% a majority??
Norway: 95% white! Isn't that a majority???
Germany: 90% white! Isn't that a majority???

I never said otherwise. I think you misread what I wrote. Both Norway and Germany are currently at the lowest in terms of white majority so far, and also at the top of their game. This should not be the case if diversity is in any way, shape or form a danger. The danger comes squarely from xenophobes.

If you mean East Europe: sure, but they (we, I'm from East Europe) have gone through 2 World Wars and 50 years of socialism. And the trend, after ditching socialism, is to get better and better, not worse and worse like USA.

Yes, I was referring to Eastern Europe. You've had 30 years since the fall of the Iron Curtain - soon you won't be able to blame socialism anymore. And no, things have not gotten worse and worse in the US - just the opposite. Like I said, there was a crime spike in the '90s, and the economy was ass, but both have gotten better and better since. But overall, the US has been an astounding success story growing ever stronger since the frontier days. Diversity has never held America back, not remotely.

I just gave you a link from the house decrying the crumbling infrastructure. Did you read it????

Your post didn't contain any links. But so what if the House is decrying crumbling infrastructure? A politician isn't going to say "this is pretty good, but we can do better". Instead, he is invariably going to be a drama queen in order to get what he wants. He wants to improve schools? "Our schools are falling apart!" He wants more military spending? "Our ships are rusting away, our weapons are obsolete!" A politician isn't lying any less just because he says what you want to hear.

Quoting websites that provide that information. It's an example of a lack of infrastructure. Why is it that hard for you liberals to understand the point??

You can't just paste a quote out of the blue and expect people to automatically know where it's from. You didn't post any links, nor did you say where it was from. You quoted it the same way you quoted me.
And no, posting an example of infrastructure is not the same as presenting a point about bad infrastructure. What's so bad about that San Diego-Seattle rail? Three trains daily, in addition to buses and airplanes - is it inadequate? Are goods pooling up on one side and causing a humanitarian crisis on the other?

Yes, you don't need a TGV in Norway (a peninsula with not such big distances and sparse population) while in countries with large contiguous territories (USA, China, EU, etc) they have become mandatory.

Certainly. Like I said, topography decides. But as for distances, while distances in Norway may not be that great as the crow flies, they can still be pretty great in hours and minutes, because there aren't many straight stretches of road.

Btw, you WILL have a TGV line EVEN in Norway (there are plans):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Norway

Between Oslo and Bergen, big whoop. They've been talking about this for decades, by the way. Personally I feel there are more worthile things to spend the money on.

good, so you understand at least one aspect in which diversity can lead to bad outcomes? ANd yes, racial tensions in USA are at the highest in the last few decades - diversity, right.

Again, blaming diversity is completely misguided. The problem isn't diversity itself, but racists. Yes, outsiders are always going to be mistrusted, but remember: you were the one who wanted to focus on racial diversity, rather than ethnic diversity. And if you think a person is an outsider simply because of his race, then you're a racist - which means you're the problem. And answer this truthfully: which is more reasonable, for people to pick up sticks and go so that the locals won't be offended, or for the locals to learn a little tolerance?

Look at the last 2 years of riots, destruction, looting in some of the US cities. I don't know if ANY sane person would call that "positive".

This has nothing to do with the mere existence of diversity. This has to do with the fact that a significant minority has been marginalised for decades. And the previous POTUS only fanned the flames with his overt flirtation with the alt-right. Besides, race riots is hardly a new thing. What's new is that it's nation wide, but you can thank mobile phones and social media for that.

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"Again, blaming diversity is completely misguided. The problem isn't diversity itself, but racists. Yes, outsiders are always going to be mistrusted, but remember: you were the one who wanted to focus on racial diversity, rather than ethnic diversity. And if you think a person is an outsider simply because of his race, then you're a racist - which means you're the problem. And answer this truthfully: which is more reasonable, for people to pick up sticks and go so that the locals won't be offended, or for the locals to learn a little tolerance?"

That's a direct result of diversity. There will always be racists on both sides, there will always be people not accepting other ways of life.

For you might NOT be important that a group of migrants is grooming little girls in your city but for the fathers of said girls it's important. I don't think that counts as racism.

And it doesn't matter if a minority of that minority does it, the problem is: only the minority is doing it. So a bad reaction to that is normal, not related to racism. I don't know, maybe you want to invite your little daughter rapist to dinner, I know I wouldn't.

"This has nothing to do with the mere existence of diversity. This has to do with the fact that a significant minority has been marginalised for decades. And the previous POTUS only fanned the flames with his overt flirtation with the alt-right. Besides, race riots is hardly a new thing. What's new is that it's nation wide, but you can thank mobile phones and social media for that."

That's a direct result of diversity. NO diversity means no minority to be marginalized. Racists will exists all the time, tribalism is a product of evolution (and not only).


Yeah, what's easier: to ask the immigrants to ditch their backward grooming culture or to ask the locals to ignore it and let their girls be raped?

Extreme case? Sure. DOES It happen? Yes. Should it happen? NO.

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That's a direct result of diversity. There will always be racists on both sides, there will always be people not accepting other ways of life.

And those are the people you want to cater to? "If you can't beat them, join them"?

For you might NOT be important that a group of migrants is grooming little girls in your city but for the fathers of said girls it's important. I don't think that counts as racism.

This type of crime is overwhelmingly white. I'll bet you're talking about Birmingham, aren't you? Meanwhile you simply forget all the other paedophile rings that are exposed, because the perpetrators are white. You just say "shocking", and move on. But the moment the perpetrator is a non-white immigrant, then you'll keep wailing about it to the end of time.

And it doesn't matter if a minority of that minority does it, the problem is: only the minority is doing it.

This is a common lie - among far right extremists.

That's a direct result of diversity. NO diversity means no minority to be marginalized. Racists will exists all the time, tribalism is a product of evolution (and not only).

Racism is the result of the fear of the unknown. Meaning the more you know, the less racist you are going to be. However, the more you think you know, and you're a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect. Racism can only exist in ignorance.

Yeah, what's easier: to ask the immigrants to ditch their backward grooming culture or to ask the locals to ignore it and let their girls be raped?

Or third option: get to know them. But you'll never do that, because the last thing you want to do is to risk finding out your entire world-view is wrong.

Extreme case? Sure. DOES It happen? Yes. Should it happen? NO.

But it's only a problem when darkie does it, huh?

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"And those are the people you want to cater to? "If you can't beat them, join them"?"

I don't cater to anyone, I'm just pointing the problem.

"This type of crime is overwhelmingly white. I'll bet you're talking about Birmingham, aren't you?" white maybe but Asian. And it's funny how your side defines "white" as they see fit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9537915/Asian-grooming-gangs-abused-underage-girls-Birmingham-decades-survivor-claims.html

But I'm not talking just about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring
https://news.sky.com/story/hull-grooming-gang-targeted-primary-school-girls-as-police-told-to-declare-war-on-abusers-12476202

"This is a common lie - among far right extremists." What's the lie? That only a minority of the minority does it?? Are you trying to say that the majority of the minority does it?

"But it's only a problem when darkie does it, huh?" no, it is a problem when anyone does it. But it happens a lot more in more "diverse settings". You don't see germans sending rockets and bombarding each other like hamas and israel are doing it, right?
You don't see in homogenous cultural places genocides like in Rwanda, or Kosovo (which btw is in Europe and all involved were white - but still the problem was ... diversity).

You fail to understand that I'm not inherently blaming the darkies but the cultural clash of 2 totally different cultures with different values.

"300 Million Muslims want to KILL YOU" - lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxnzvAz3WdI

And let's see what the muslims say about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx-DdljHSoI

The "benefits" of diversity ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

Whites had almost wiped the native population in NA and oppressed the local population in SA and CA - we can blame the whites, sure, but the real problem was ... diversity- the fact that they were/are different.

And if you want to talk about the bad whites, sure: what good did diversity for the Native Americans? What good did diversity for the Aztecs and South American native populations? What good did diversity for the African-Americans and all the slavery, segregation, oppression, etc? What good did diversity for the South African population during the apartheid? What good did diversity for the population in India, Pakistan, Israel etc? What good did diversity for the minorities in the nazi Germany? You should tell the survivors of the Holocaust how amazing was diversity for them ...

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Diversity is a strength my ass

https://www.opindia.com/2022/04/rioters-allahu-akbar-torch-vehicles-attack-cops-anti-immigration-activist-burns-quran-sweden/

https://www.opindia.com/2020/08/a-day-after-burning-the-streets-of-sweden-muslim-mob-clashes-with-anti-islamization-protestors-in-norway/

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Oh how smart you are. You've found an anecdote! Of course, white people have never been violent in protests......

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Don't brag about being smart when you misinterpret my post.

Where did I blame any of the sides of being violent??? I'm not blaming any side for the violence, I'm blaming diversity. Can you dig it?

It's not an anecdote when it happens in more occasions.

Diversity is a strength:

"An Easter procession in Spain was interrupted by North African migrants who tried to stop it. According to their religion other believers can't have public religious festivals. Unlike in Sweden the Spanish police managed to arrest a couple of them. Hopefully they're shipped back"

https://9gag.com/gag/agg4obw

"The Local Police arrest two violent individuals for trying to block a procession in El Vendrell, TarragonaApril 11, 2022
...at the moment in which several individuals broke into a Holy Week procession, trying to prevent their passage and prevent it from being held.
Those who were present asked for respect as the religious images passed by, but they ignored the requests and continued with their plan. Moreover, some of the individuals in the group came to confront those who asked for their respect.
...several patrols of the Local Police had to move to the place, who were received in a violent and hostile manner by the rioters....The policemen...were forced to call for reinforcements to stop the rioters who put up a strong resistance. The situation so outraged the residents ...that they finally congratulated the officers for their good intervention.
An investigation has also been opened to try to identify the other members of the group that disturbed the order."

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It makes perfect sense for an historical Viking revenge story set in Scandinavia to have an exclusively White cast.


Does it? I don't know. Seems like they could have added in a roaming tribe of wise peaceful badass Zulus. It would just make me feel better.

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Why stop there? Why not make ALL Vikings black ...

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There were people of color who stepped foot in Europe back then though. Europe wasn't actually 100 percent white!

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Especially now that the Academy of Motion Pictures is implementing some dumbass system where a film will not even be eligible for an award unless it meet certain diversity quotas.

Makes me wish some producer would show some balls and right before the opening credits of a movie start rolling they do a panning shot of a bus filled with every minority and alphabets group imaginable... Then drive the bus off a cliff and then simple say, "And now we can show the movie".... And then start the movie with whatever cast actually makes sense for the story.

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What's next, a white actor playing King Kong?

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I noticed that too. These days you’d expect at least one black viking, but thankfully not in this movie.

Definitely gonna watch it, I hope it’s actually good too.

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If I want diversity, Ill watch a Tarzan movie from the 1930's.

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Oh come on now... You know that having blacks running around like savages isn't ticking the right boxes. The blacks have to be in rolls that you would rarely ever actually see them in... Like the brain surgeon or married couple.

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Are you kidding? You have to be real talented to be trampled by a herd of elephants, those special effects are awesome.

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Yes, finally!!! :D :D :D

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Race swap black roles will never happen and be defended saying that skin colour, history and culture is important and cannot be changed.

Race swapping white roles = It's only fiction.

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Well, remember all the commotion that was with every single role?

They even cried when a ME/Mediterranean actress was set to play a ME/Mediterranean character plus the waves they did on twitter?

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lol

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