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will this get the SJW treatment like Dark Fate, Ghostbusters, etc...?


I am wondering if Neo will be sidelined so a transminorityliberalwokefemale can be the hero?

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Yes because the writing and directing didn't kill those movies. It was the politics.

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no, all new modern movies are wokefests...

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Indeed...

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Its actually now a very serious unwritten law in hollyweird

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Politics and preachy SJW agendas lead to the bad writing and directing.

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go woke, go broke...

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Just watch Sense8 and you’ll get a preview.

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I don't get it.

Women were kicking ass from the very first five minutes of the original Matrix. A black guy was the wise sage in the first film. White corporate-types were the villains in the first film. Why now all of a sudden are we against women and minorities kicking white ass when nobody had a single problem with it in 1999?

I highly doubt Neo will get a sex change.

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Neo would be black

Did you know that Will Smith was the original choice for Neo?

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he apparently didn't. lmao

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" if the first Matrix was made today"
yada yada whine bitch moan whine make shit up...
meanwhile


if the ORIGINAL matrix came out today , you'd be losing your shit saying :
"whos this fucking short haired lesbian looking woman in a major role?? , she hasnt even got decent tits i can ogle at ,
its PC AGENDA!
And there was that old black woman being the reader OLD and BLACK! fucking pc bulshit!!!
and to cap it all off the leader of the resistance is a fucking black man.
WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE WOKE !!!"


note in 1999 nobody said that becasue the internet wasnt filled with toxic white males who hate women becasue they cant get laid.

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touche!
there was a bit of speculation there on my part

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This is a nice observation. I'd also add that those same white males in 1999 weren't complaining because most movies already featured a white male protagonist. Here are the top ten grossing films from that year:

1 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
2 The Sixth Sense
3 Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
4 Toy Story 2
5 The Matrix
6 Tarzan
7 Big Daddy
8 The Mummy
9 Runaway Bride
10 The Blair Witch Project

How many of those movies had a white male lead? Right. All of them except for "Blair Witch". What they're whingeing about today as reverse discrimination is really the fact that they're no longer being catered to.

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reverse discrimination


Its called discrimination.

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What they're whingeing about today as reverse discrimination is really the fact that they're no longer being catered to.


I'd love for you to go to Douban Movie and tell all those Chinese that they should feel ashamed for having majority of their movies cater to the majority of their population.

Heck, you should also go to the Nigerian movie boards and complain to them that there aren't enough white people in their films made in their country for their people, because despite being the majority, Nigerians shouldn't be headlining Nigerian movies made in Nigeria for a majority black Nigerian audience!

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I'd also add that those same white males in 1999 weren't complaining because most movies already featured a white male protagonist. Here are the top ten grossing films from that year
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How many of those movies had a white male lead? Right. All of them except for "Blair Witch".

How many of them had black males as the evil/stupid characters? Oh, wait, none of them. Good guys were white, but bad guys were white too.

That's why people weren't complaining back then. Movies weren't engaged into a "hey, let's demonize the specific gender/ethnic group" agenda, as it happens now.

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note in 1999 nobody said that becasue the internet wasnt filled with toxic white males who hate women becasue they cant get laid.


Just curious…are there any toxic black males? Or toxic white females? Or toxic females in general? Or toxic ANYBODY other than white males?

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well . I'm sure theres some , but this site isnt flooded with posts about complaining that about:
sexism (towards women )
racism (toward minorities)

both of which are genuine issues.
The site is however flooded with posts from whiny male whites who seem to think theyve been slighted in some way.

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Absolute moron alert - woke is not 'having a female lead' fuckface.

The original Matrix is proof that wokeness wasn't even needed in the first place, as you even fucking cited.

All the characters made sense and their physical attributes did not define who they were.

Today there is a very high chance that Neo wasn't really 'the one' and instead it was 'someone else' ... I'll let you fill in the rest.

Keep drinking the koolaid, clown.

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Fandoms have become regressive in the past ten years.

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Woke is not the same thing as simply having a female or minority protagonist.
It is one thing if a good character happens to be female or a minority, and another when that is their main attribute and it has to be pointed out and "celebrated" every other scene.
There is a reason why Sarah Connor and Ripley are loved character..they're simple strong characters that are female, without the need to put down others to elevate themselves.
Look at the difference between Alita and Captain Marvel..The first is relatable and someone you cheer for.
The second is woke, i.e belittling men, and has cringe moments like beating up white men to No Doubts "I'm just a girl".
The Matrix did this right, it wasn't woke.

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Indeed. If the point of the story is about character, theme, plot, and all those other good things, it works. If the point of the story is to have a diverse protagonist, it's being built wrong.

The analogy wouldn't be "What if Neo was black in The Matrix?" because that wouldn't change the story. The analogy would be, "What if somebody sat down to write a movie and they thought, 'I want my main character to wear a black leather trenchcoat and shades.' Would that person wind up writing a movie as good as the Matrix? No, because the *point* isn't the trenchcoat. The *point* is the nature of reality, rising to potential, and achieving spiritual enlightenment and liberation from totalitarian corruption - and on and on into the depths of The Matrix's themes. Or maybe the point is "sci-fi action movie where people live in virtual reality as slaves of machines." That's surface-level, but it still gives a story. "The main character is black," is not a story.

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LMAO...CAPTAIN MARVEL WASN'T WOKE...IT WAS AVERAGE BUT IT WASN'T WOKE...YOU SAID "CRINGE" TOO...YOU MIGHT BE A CRETIN.

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captain marvel was woke, it was anti man and pro women. they portrayed all white men as being evil.

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Nobody is suddenly against that 🙄😒
You clearly don’t understand what “woke” means.

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You are right, the movies were already anti-White even back then and still no White people ever complained about it which shows you how tolerant we are. All up until the left kicked the anti Whiteness and feminism into higher gear around 2016 or so when it backfired. There is only so much BS White men are willing to take.

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After the awful sequels, who cares?

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I'm sure the transgender filmmakers, queens of liberal Hollywood, will be very gentle with the franchise they already turned into a dumpster fire. We fans need to be spanked. Loving that white Jesus like we do. They hate what they created.

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Lmao, the original trilogy is a metaphor for being trans, the writers have said that. So it's not like it would be out of place. You act like the original trilogy was blisteringly conservative.

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the story was about a counterculture nerd fighting the establishment and police, with a black man and a "lesbian looking" kick ass female.

and bubba is crying that they will only now start to put "SJW" stuff in it. Jesus conservatives are clueless/so fragile

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Trinity to this day is one of my favorite ass kicking characters. Morpheus is still one my favorite overall characters.

Trinity is a woman and Morpheus is a black man.

I never thought about it then and I surely don't care about it now.

Great characters are great characters. Why should gender and race be an issue?

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Is a issue when producers and directors make it an issue, everybody feel the same way than you and what you just say is prove people only want good storytelling, if the actor is black or woman or wathever is really unimportant, but some people are obssesed in trying to convinced us with all are a bunch of biggots and make their movies all about race and gender, like the ridiculous cast of Jodie Turner-Smith in the show about Anne Boleyn or the gender swap on Terminator Dark Fate that is not good storytelling they just swap the gender shit in John Connor and believe that is equal to groundbreaking storytelling

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NEITHER OF THOSE EXAMPLES RINGS TRUE...THE ANNE BOLEYN THING WAS AN ALTERNATIVE SPIN AND DARK FATE WAS A SOLID FLICK FOR PEOPLE NOT CAUGHT ON JOHN CONNOR'S NUTSACK OR LOOKING FOR ATTENTION BY SCREAMING WOKE AT SHIT.

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OMG is you again, you are so full of it men, Anne Boleyn was an stupid idea that is the reason why it fail, Dark fate is not a solid flick is just a boring copy of everything was done in the other movies of the saga just change Connor for this chick like that for its own would save an awful movie

Say what you want about McG but at least the guy go in a diferent direction and try to bring something new to the saga i have way more respect for Terminator Salvation than for Dark Fate, Genysis and Rebelion those movies dint know how to evolve beyond of the formula create by Cameron Machine came for the future to hunt down Mom of future savior/future savior at the same time the resistance send someone to protect her and they are in the run

FOR PEOPLE NOT CAUGHT ON JOHN CONNOR'S NUTSACK


That is just beyond stupid Jon Connor is not the most charismatic character in the saga people wouldn't give a fuck if he is change for another character even a female if the story is good

Dark fate sucks, Ghostbusters sucks, every movie with gender/race swap usually sucks ass and im spanic i just want good movies female and black protagonist are old as dirt and people are ok with them stop acting like they are some kind of recient invention and people who cant stand this gender/race swap bullshit are biggots instead of regular people who dislike bad movies

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Dark fate sucks, Ghostbusters sucks, every movie with gender/race swap usually sucks ass and im spanic i just want good movies female and black protagonist are old as dirt and people are ok with them stop acting like they are some kind of recient invention and people who cant stand this gender/race swap bullshit are biggots instead of regular people who dislike bad movies

I DONT CARE WHAT COLOR YOU ARE...YOU ARE AN IDIOT NO MATTER YOUR SHADE...THESE "PEOPLE" YOU SPEAK OF THAT ARE ANGRY AND CAN'T STAND,ETC...THOSE "PEOPLE" ARE ASSHOLES WITH THEIR MINDS TOO HARD WIRED TO THE PAST OR THEIR OWN DAFT VISIONS...YOU SHOULD NOT BE PROUD TO INCLUDE YOUSELF AMONGST THE THESE OBSOLETE THINKING DINOSAURS.

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LOL so everybody who dislike dark fate is a dinosaur and an idiot? is not possbile they have legit reasons, artistic reasons, to dislike those movies? a lot of my favorite action movies have female and black leads but the diferent between Alien, Ghost in the shell, Underworld, Men in black, Matrix, Blade 2, with let say Doom: Annihilation, Dark fate, Ocean's 8, Ghostbusters is they are an honest story about a kick ass character

You shoulnd't dismiss peoples opinions so fast and just label them as biggots just because disagree with you. The problem a lot of people have with this new PC trend in movies is not the colour or gender of the leads characters perse but producers, writters and directors using the actual political enviroment as a an strategy to atract people to theaters without creativity just making everything about politics with Ghostbusters the director acused of biggots and mysogynistic white supremacist to everybody who dislike the trailer of the movie. The guy din't even listen to the critics, same thing did the director of Dark Fate and the actress of Doom: Annihilation and many others

And a lot of people dont see that this is just an easy strategy to sell tickets without make a real artistic effort and that is why must of those movies sucks because they lack creativity they are most of the same thing that have done before just the gender of the leads was change

And i understand they are also a lot of people who are real asshole and racist i have find a lot here and they dont even deserve a response because are people who are not going to change and cant see their own racism but say the majority of people who dilike the actual PC culture in movies are like those asshole is also very ignorant a lot of people have real artistic arguments about why those movies dont work

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PASS.

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Speak as a true faggot incapable of respect anyones opinions and love to label as biggot and intolerant everyone who challenge his world view but are not able to see you are also a biggot and intolerant person

I just hope your wife's boyfriend is not watching right now or he would be very dissapointed of you

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"Speak as a true faggot"


SERIOUSLY?...WOW,YOU ARE A COMPLETE WASTE OF SKIN.


IF MY WIFE'S BOYFRIEND IS WATCHING..I SAY TO HIM...ELOPE WITH THIS BITCH,BRO...I WILL EVEN THROW YOU A FEW BUCKS.

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OMG! What is happening to you? you normally are not this aggressive ¿perhaps your feminizing hormone therapy is not suiting you well?

I have hear that blocking testosterone when you are old as sand can produce this type of change of humor is like a woman having her period but for fags

IF MY WIFE'S BOYFRIEND IS WATCHING..I SAY TO HIM...ELOPE WITH THIS BITCH,BRO...I WILL EVEN THROW YOU A FEW BUCKS.


That is something very mean to say and a clear sign of fragil masculinity ¿what about your wife, do you not care about her happyness? she need Jamal in her life. Just think in what you just wrote dont be this insensitive again and think in your wife's needs

Send my regards to your wife's boyfriend and their lover, sure must be difficult for them as well deal with you being so bitchy

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ONLY CHILDREN THINK WORDS LIKE "FAGGOT" AND "FAGS" ARE FUNNY OR CUTTING.

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That is not true adults also think that

BTW is not you who's bullyng some guy because his nick is Dorian Gay some coments below?

If you are so progressive you shoulnd't been making fun of people sexual preferences just because they dont agreed with you

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YES...BECAUSE THATIS HIS NAME...AND HIS COMMENTS MAKE IT VERY CLEAR HE ISN'T GAY OR IN ANY WAY ACCEPTING OF THOSE WHO ARE.

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He doesn't acept homos? that is a very strong acusation i personally have nothing against our fellows fairies they are actually very clean people and know how to organized a party i have a friend who is black and fag wich prove i cant be racist or homophobic or i woulnd't be able of tolerate his precense but im just fine when the dude is around

Skinny little fellow he is, but also is very useful i even allow him once to help me to chose some shirt to go in a blind date, the blind date itself was a fiasco because the chick was fat i cant stand fat women so in the moment i saw her i just left, women's should be thick but not fat, but anyway i digress the point of the story is that the shirt was pretty cool so is cool have gay friends they can be very useful if you need an opinion about clothes and other afeminate stuff like that, they have like a sixth sense for that kind of things

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🙄WOW.

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😄👍

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THE ANNE BOLEYN THING WAS AN ALTERNATIVE SPIN

No it really wasn't. It was the lead up to her death that has been told many many many times before.

Only this time they thought it would be better with a black actress playing a real white woman. She existed in real life. Not a fictional charcater.

This was not an alternate universe. It was again literlaly the same story that has been told.

You would be the first to cry racism and whitewashing if they had an historical black person played by a white actor.

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EXACTLY WHAT I SAID...AN ALTERNATIVE SPIN.

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You cannot read or don't want to.

It was not an alternative spin. It was the exact same story of her life upto her death.

You are a hyocrite of the highest order and everyone on this site knows it.

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SAME STORY WITH ALTERNATIVE CASTING...LIKE IF I PLAYED CINDERELLA....AN ALTERNATIVE SPIN...THE CASTING ISDIFFERENT THAN USUAL MAKING IT ALTERNATIVE.

I READ AND WRITE JUST FINE...I JUST WONT SWALLOW YOU THICK LOAD OF OUTDATED VALUES AND NEED TO CATAGORIZE PEOPLE BY THEIR COLOR AND CREED.

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Cinderella is fictional not even remotely the same example.

Anne Bolynn was a real historical figure and is the very reason we have the 'Church of England'. She is extremely important to English history and race swapping her does her an injustice.

No alternative. Same story but changed a real white woman to black. Again not an alternate story.

If you agree with the race swapping of a real historical person then you cannot ever complain about whitewashing any characters ever again as you will be a hypocrite.

The next MLK movie I want done by Brad Pitt then. In your words it will alternate.

And no you cannot read because you keep repeating the same things which everytime are false.

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LIKE THE MOVIE WHERE BOB DYLAN IS PLAYED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE INCLUDING CATE BLANCHETT...YOU RACIALLY OBSESSED PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK YOU CAN CONVINCE THE REST OF US THAT YOU ARE RIGHT...THAT A PERSON'S COLOR OR SEX HAS A DAMNED THING TO DO WITH THE ART OF MAKE BELIEVE...YOU EITHER THINK LIKE A MONSTER OR YOU DON'T...I DON'T.

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LIKE THE MOVIE WHERE BOB DYLAN IS PLAYED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE INCLUDING CATE BLANCHETT.


Actually that example prove you wrong because show people are not upset by gender swap (because have already been done and no one give a F) people react badly when gender/race swap is done for political reasons and not for artistic ones

Nobody complaint with Michael Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin in Daredevil because he was the right actor for the role, Nobody complaint with Tilda Swinton playing Gabriel in Constantine either

but make a black woman play a white historical character just to be edgy and hip is wrong and people dont want that lazy shit a lot of black people dint want that either there is a lot of interesting black historical character but producers and directors are not interested in their stories, why that would be? maybe Hollywood are the real racist

YOU EITHER THINK LIKE A MONSTER OR YOU DON'T...I DON'T.


OFFS what a drama queen

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A LOT OF WORDS TO SAY..."WHITE IS BEST...THE REST IS THE ENEMY".

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What? that is not what i wrote at all, Jesus christ It's only three paragraphs of text, how can you misread that?

If gender or race swapping is well done people usually dont care, people are getting upset because have become something force and political

There you go as simple as possible let see how you misread this now

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I CAN READ THE WORDS YOU TYPE JUST FINE...OF COURSE MOST OF THOSE WORDS ARE DESIGNED TO CIRCLE HOW YOU ACTUALLY FEEL WHILE STAYING FIRMLY OUT OF BIGOT TERRITORY.

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LOL men you just sound pathological you sound like a fanatic too blind to see nothing beyond his own conviction and acting like the rest of the world are just infidels who shouldn't have the right to speak

I bet you are one of those persons who acused black people of being white supremacist if they dont support critical race theory

I tought you were just a regular troll but now i see you are a legit moron

HOW YOU ACTUALLY FEEL WHILE STAYING FIRMLY OUT OF BIGOT TERRITORY


How you can tell how i actually feel better than myself if you dont even know me LOL

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I DISAGREE WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY..


YOU USE A LOT OF WORDS TO DANCE BUT ULTIMATELY YOU SPELL IT OUT FOR THE REST OF US.

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Yeah i know, is hard write everything in a language that is not your own and over here is very late almost 3 AM

But i know you understnad everything i wrote, so dont preend you dont, besides my english is not that bad

I DISAGREE WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY..


No, you dont is clear that is the kind of shit you beleive deeply, you just say you dont because you know is weird and you are ashamed of yourself

But you can change lord Jesus can change you

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WANT TO KNOW A SECRET?🤐


I VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP...TWICE.

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Fuck me, that surprised me, You dont sound republican men

You were one of those inbreed dudes who asaulted the congress? i definitly can imagine you walking in the congress without shirt, an indian war bonnet and a spear hunting people down

Do you believe Trump is QAnon?

You have a dark side men i almost can feel it trought the monitor of my computer

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THOSE ASSHATS INVADING CONGRESS SHOULD ALL BE WHACKED ON THE PEEPEE.

QANON IS COMPLETE GARBAGE.


I DO HAVEA DARK SIDE...IT HAS BEEN RETIRED THOUGH.

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you mean will conservatives cry that this isnt about a white male straight lead who is super OP saves a damsel in distress. probably anything that veers to far threatens their fragility soo

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Hasn’t history always been straight white men saving women and minorities? Not really surprised that movies reflect this.

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LMAO...YOU DROOL ALOT, HUH?

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Personal attacks for stating a fact? How mature of you kiddo.

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IT WAS A QUESTION...DORIAN GAY.

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How old are you? Like 12 years old?

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I BET YOU HAVE YOUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT I AM 12.DONT YOU, DORIAN GAY?

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