What do you think was the overall message of the movie?
I personally think it's that you aren't supposed to be with your "soulmate" your entire life. You are meant to be with certain people at certain points in your life. And just because someone destroys you, it doesn't mean it was a mistake, or not worth it, or that you never should have been with them. Many people find the ending depressing but I found it quite hopeful.
That you can do everything right for a woman and it still isn't enough? That she will play around enough with your emotions and expectations that she will act interested in you again after a long separation, flirt, share a train ride home with you, and then invite you to a party that turns out to be her engagement party??? (And her explanation for it later: "I did it because I wanted to." W-T-F?!)
I'm still coming to terms with this, after watching it for the first time last night. It's a quality film, certainly, but the part where Summer invites Tom to her engagement party was thoughtlessly cruel on her part. That was the straw that broke the back.
Maybe the film's strength and weakness, is that it's actually too much like real life...
"Everyone else may be an a**hole, but I'm not!" - Harlan Ellison
That you can do everything right for a woman and it still isn't enough? That she will play around enough with your emotions and expectations that she will act interested in you again after a long separation, flirt, share a train ride home with you, and then invite you to a party that turns out to be her engagement party??? (And her explanation for it later: "I did it because I wanted to." W-T-F?!)
If you fall for someone, you want to reassure yourself that everything they say to you is flirting. I know that firsthand.
To everything else- what you consider "right" may not be what she considers "right".
Imagine if the roles had been reversed in this movie; Summer being Tom and Tom being Summer. Would you simply say that he was not interested in her and she should have accepted it or would you be defending her?
If the roles were reversed, my opinion would be the same, regardless of gender.
After the initial feeling of despair I got after this last month, I have gotten over it. You really do have to pay attention to the words in the opening prologue - "This is not a love story" - despite what that montage showed. It's very clever how they suck you in.
"Everyone else may be an a**hole, but I'm not!" - Harlan Ellison
Its not cruel, she invited him to a party on "OUR" rooftop patio; not my rooftop patio. He just never bothered to ask who she was living with; who the our was. Also she didn't know she was going to get engaged at that point.
But I do agree, its it like real life; real love is most often not a happy ending.
-------------------------- RIGOLETTO: I'm denied that common human right, to weep.
I loved the film. I think its a very mature look at the concept of love which is more often than not a mismatch between the couple. I don't think it has a message, but it explores what love is. One thing is that both people do act mature in the film; though he has his heart broken, he doesn't stalk her or attack her. Neither are depicted as the bad person in the film. She is very upfront about her expectations and talks to him about it. Also she broke it off because of their fights; exactly how much they fought is not shown because its from his POV, but there are hints.
-------------------------- RIGOLETTO: I'm denied that common human right, to weep.
The overall message is I like this girl, alot, and I think she might be the one, and I like to complain about love over and over, and I have an annoying friend that sucks at life, an odd and anoying sister and this girl I like that has 0 personality. I am not even sure if she is human. She might be.
And so I find out that she doesnt like me back, and I try to go back and forth with the days when I explain things because I just like doing that. And then finally I meet a new girl at my new job interview at my new job and everything is SO GOOD. I mean, why did I even tell that story. I could have saved you a bunch of time I mean, by just saying that not alot happened but it just sounds like it did, and I like to go on job interviews to meet girls.
I think that overall the film has a positive message. Tom spent over a year trying to get Summer and win her over, and while there were happy moments with her in his life it also caused him a lot of heartache and grief. Perhaps that might seem like a waste to some, but if Tom had never met Summer he would probably still be alone and writing greeting cards. She inspired him to become the architect that he always wanted to be, and in so doing he met Autumn who seems like a much better match than Summer was (at first glance, anyway).
It's like Summer said about being 10 minutes late to the coffee shop, or if she'd decided to go to the movies, her life would have been a lot different; if Tom had never experienced the pain and heartache that Summer caused him, he would never have met Autumn. Summer was not his soulmate, althought Tom wanted her to be, but Autumn may be.
The (500) Days of Summer attitude of “He wants you so bad” seems attractive to some women and men, especially younger ones, but I would encourage anyone who has a crush on my character to watch it again and examine how selfish he is. He develops a mildly delusional obsession over a girl onto whom he projects all these fantasies. He thinks she’ll give his life meaning because he doesn’t care about much else going on in his life. A lot of boys and girls think their lives will have meaning if they find a partner who wants nothing else in life but them. That’s not healthy. That’s falling in love with the idea of a person, not the actual person. - Joseph Gordon-Levitt
i would say that's partly the message that might have been portrayed, personally i think it's as simple as sometimes relationships don't work for a reason and you may need to reflect on them and know what you or/and the other person did wrong and learn to move on and realise there's more to life, but then what do i know.
The (500) Days of Summer attitude of “He wants you so bad” seems attractive to some women and men, especially younger ones, but I would encourage anyone who has a crush on my character to watch it again and examine how selfish he is. He develops a mildly delusional obsession over a girl onto whom he projects all these fantasies. He thinks she’ll give his life meaning because he doesn’t care about much else going on in his life. A lot of boys and girls think their lives will have meaning if they find a partner who wants nothing else in life but them. That’s not healthy. That’s falling in love with the idea of a person, not the actual person. - Joseph Gordon-Levitt
I was scrolling through the pages waiting for someone to say something like this. It came from Joseph Gordon-Levitt, of all people.
Love, as well as anything else in life, is about perspective. Sometimes we get so caught up in our own view of things, that we neglect how the others view things. Tom reflecting on that period with Summer was probably the most important part of the movie. Everything was not peaches and cream. They fought a lot and she was generally not happy.
That is why sometimes it is important to tune out your own thoughts and really pay attention to your partner. Then you're cloud of fantasy will leave and you will come to terms with harsh and cold truths.
Aside from that, I think that another message from the movie is to really get to know your partner before fully committing to them or getting yourself too involved, letting that person get too involved with you or both.
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I've read that quote numerous times in different places over the years, and whenever I come across a thread or talk to someone about what this movie is really about, I always come back to it. Gordon-Levitt pretty much says it all. There are so many times when we want someone to come along and, in their perfection, make us perfect too. But nobody's perfect, except when we want to think they are. And in that sense all you do is fall in love with your idea of them, which is unfair for the other person because you're basically asking them to live up to that idea. I sympathise with Tom, but I will never think that what happened was something that Summer did to him, because really it's something he himself set into motion. Being overly romantic or idealistic isn't a bad thing, but you can't force your ideals on someone else and love the parts that fit, while ignoring all the ones that don't.
I also like the OP's line of
You are meant to be with certain people at certain points in your life. And just because someone destroys you, it doesn't mean it was a mistake, or not worth it, or that you never should have been with them.
I love the idea of having different soulmates at different stages, rather than just one, so that you keep growing and learning and changing. Tom thought Summer was the one for him, but in the end she was only a stepping-stone to the next part of his life - and if that stepping-stone was so great, then maybe the next one will be even greater.
Anyhow, I think anyone who says the movie's message has something to do with a girl breaking a boy's heart, or that girls can be heartless to boys who love them, etc etc don't really understand it. If the movie has a message, it has more to do with love itself than gender plays. Just because this story is told from the point of view of a guy does not mean the roles can't just as easily be reversed.
Good post. I don't think anyone is "meant" to be with anyone in particular; relationships are more random coincidences. I agree that you are right that people project onto others those ideals to convince them that this person is somehow special. Its the rationalization of a bonding instinct, nothing more.
You are absolutely right that the roles could be reversed and its probably more common for men to not what to commit.
-------------------------- RIGOLETTO: I'm denied that common human right, to weep.
I don't know if I see the film as presenting a message but I think it really tries to capture the essence of memory and how subjective it is.
I recently wrote a review of (500) Days of Summer on my blog. If you're interested in more of my thoughts, you can check them out here: http://realworldromcom.blogspot.com/
I take it as a warning and cautionary tale for men-
When you meet an attractive female. who clearly, right upfront, states "she does not want a boyfriend or anything serious," just enjoy the FWB and NSA sex. In the mean time, find a nice girl who is the marrying/serious type. Once found, dump the bimbo for a real woman, someone who does not play head games and is into commitment.
Forget all the self-absorbed, ego-maniacal, head game playing, phony, pretentious, kuntz out there. There are still a few good woman out there. Don't waste your time on the bad ones.
I think the overall message of the film was just as Tom said, " I was a fool to believe in true love". Doesn't mean the message apply or not in real life!
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