The middle class yuppies in their 4x4 had it coming. It wasn't their beach, it was the kids', and the kids had every right to be pi**ed-off with the invaders who thought they could just turn up and demand they turn their music down.
It was the yuppie bloke that started all the trouble by confronting them, when all the kids had done was turn up at their favourite place with their bikes and dogs to hang out.
The kids were the locals, the yuppies were the invaders. The escalation was entirely the result of the yuppie trying to show off to his girlfriend by being macho. The moment he touched the volume control was the moment he declared war - which is always a bad idea if you're a) on someone else's territory and b) outnumbered.
I agree...somewhat. The kids were in the wrong only at the very beginning, for not turning down the radio. Fassbender asked them nicely, and it was common courtesy. Every single thing after that was the couple's own fault. Mr. Macho kept going after the gang, and he got what he deserved.
Yes - the key phrase you've used is 'Mr Macho' - the guy was showing off to his girlfriend by going up to them in the first place asking them to turn down the music. Ask yourself - if he'd been there on his own would he have still walked up to them asking them to turn it down? Of course not...
IF the OP is looking at it in the same artistic license that say, House of 1000 Corpses was made, then he can have a point. House of 1000 Corpses is kind of a jab at entitled mainstream uppity a**holes that can't put aside their sense of entitlement/''the world is mine'' attitude for one second to assess a situation. In House of 1000, one of the girls (well both of the girls really)just had an attitude/sense of entitlement from the first second she was on the screen.
Even among the eccentric psycho family, and after clearly having giant White House sized red flags waved at her that screamed ''DANGER LURKS'', she still decided to be a whiny brat.
IF you look at this movie in terms of a frame of a deeper theme in mind, and a statement about society, then you can argue that the couple ''had it coming''. Things to consider:
1. The Lake had no one else chilling and trying to camp there. I don't know about anyone else, but I am not going to find some random lake and pretend that I belong there just because I want to belong there. This is taking too much entitlement license, seeing that the lake seemed to be open at one point, but closed.
2. The kids were obviously off the bat out of control. Their level of obnoxious behavior was a huge red flag from the beginning. But the guy wanted to ''take control'' and go over there and ''show them the way''.
After the snarky remarks about ''Can't hear you'' and ''looking at my girlfriend's tits'' he should have called it quits and just removed himself from the situation. Maybe in town or in the city he could have stood his ground, but he didn't know who the kids were, what type of kids they were, etc. But no, he just HAD to stay, even though his girlfriend begged him to stay away from conflict.
Too many assumptions made that the kids should just give them courtesy, and that was their fatal flaw, and the fatal flaw of many so called ''yuppies''.(Though I wouldn't really consider this couple true yuppies, just displayed an attitude that expected people to be polite because they deserve politeness).
Do I think the couple deserved anything they got? Absolutely not. From the loud music down to the indifferent sunglasses mirror stare at the end. The deeper message could just be a cautionary tale about entitlement and staying where you are not wanted.
On the other hand...
If you look at the movie without any deeper message, the couple was in the right. Any human that is out to be polite and decent would not behave the way those kids behaved. I mean really? when the guy went over to them to ask about the music, they didn't even let him open his mouth without being little smart azzes!
Nothing that the couple did deserved even a fourth of what they had to go through. I mean, if the kids wanted to harass them, toilet papering their tent and egging their car and a few harmless pranks would have sufficed if they felt THAT strong of a need to troll the couple. But damn, giggling at how video game like one of your friends can slice a real human? That's just disgusting and insane.
The couple made some poor decisions, and really good ones. You just never know which poor decision might be the one to mess you up for good.
I have to say micaeldecker is growing on me. He hasn't given up on defending his argument after all these years. He comes back here on a regular basis with sassy little response in between writing to his penpals on death row.
Well michaeldecker, you have been accused of many things on this post, but nobody can accuse you of not having time on your hands.
i don't think you understand what people are arguing. if you're arguing from the point of view of the filmmaker's intention on whether or not the kids were justified in what they did, you should know that is not what people are arguing. they are arguing from the point of view that, had this happened in reality, there was no justification for the escalating violence.
it wouldn't hold up in court. trespassing on public property (the kids had no legal right to the area, as you know) is not justification for violence. neither is turning down a radio, calling someone a dick, or even accidentally killing a pet. you have to be delusional to think just because the escalation is possible, it's justifiable.
you're seeing this in a hopelessly primative light, in contrast to a societal light like it should be seen. just because humans have a propensity for unwarranted and disproportionate reactions, it doesn't mean it's what the couple deserved.
I didn't have to scroll through anything; this thread is near the top of my history list (I haven't been on these boards since 2014). Just taking a break from work and looking at my old comments. I was just surprised this thread is still alive, considering it was started in 2010...
I 100% agree. All he had to do was go back to his chick and that's that. He didn't need to go over, touch their property, and call them dicks. There's no law about your dog running up and barking at another person and the kids were actually pretty quick to call the dog back.
The guy was completely rude up front and while the kids' actions were end of day far extreme, it could've easily been avoided.
We get upset at people in monster movies doing dumb ****, the guy obviously did dumb ****.
None of what you said has any bearing on whether or not what happened to the couple was justifiable or something they deserved. Talking about what Steve didn't need to do? How about the gang not needing to do all of the horrible things they did for 90% of the film, including murder and vandalism? If you bother a street gang by simply talking to them, does that justify you getting your car vandalized, said car (and other property) stolen and then nearly being run over?
As for the kids calling the dog back pretty quickly? They let it go up to her twice, one of those times barking and splashing drool at her.