Did they deserve it?



The middle class yuppies in their 4x4 had it coming. It wasn't their beach, it was the kids', and the kids had every right to be pi**ed-off with the invaders who thought they could just turn up and demand they turn their music down.

It was the yuppie bloke that started all the trouble by confronting them, when all the kids had done was turn up at their favourite place with their bikes and dogs to hang out.

The kids were the locals, the yuppies were the invaders. The escalation was entirely the result of the yuppie trying to show off to his girlfriend by being macho. The moment he touched the volume control was the moment he declared war - which is always a bad idea if you're a) on someone else's territory and b) outnumbered.

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So scary that the OP even created this topic/had this view. Goes to show how realistic the film is in depicting the flawed logic of some people.

OP get some lessons and know right from wrong.

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Surely the O.P. planted this topic just to create an angry response. What an absurd notion.

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The fact that sick people like the OP even exist goes to show that this movie is not pure fantasy. He's probably the intended audience.

:)

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1.) The kids do not own the land. They do not own the deed to that land. Honestly, nobody can own land, because it was all here long before we were. Boundaries and ownership are made up constructs for people who are too insecure to accept the truth.

2.) Nobody deserves to die because they anger someone. Nobody deserves to die because they killed a dog in self defense. Gandhi himself made it clear 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind' and history has proven this true several times over.

3.) In regards to the Iraqi killing a troop's dog... I hope to God that our troops have more morals than to kill, attack, or harass someone over a dog.

4.) Gang mentality is dangerous. Statistics show this, and studies show this. Your mortality rate goes UP if you are in a gang, not down. At their LOWEST mortality rate, gang mortality rates are equal to or greater than one standard deviation above the average. That is the LOWEST. So you cannot use the defend your own and cling to a gang argument as a good thing. The children were making a wrong choice to be in a gang in the first place.

5.)You commit the argumentative fallacy of Tu Quoque, meaning: a charge of wrongdoing is answered by a rationalization that others have sinned, or might have sinned. For example, Bill borrows Jane's expensive pen, and later finds he hasn't returned it. He tells himself that it is okay to keep it, since she would have taken his.

6.) You commit the argumentative fallacy of False Dichotomy: assuming there are only two alternatives when in fact there are more. For example, assuming Atheism is the only alternative to Fundamentalism, or being a traitor is the only alternative to being a loud patriot.

7.) You commit the argumentative fallacy of Appeal to False Authority. Mainly you indicate an ability to determine that the people were not just tourists but 'invaders.'

8.) In fact, by using the word yuppies repeatedly you have already committed the argumentative fallacy of emotive language.

9.) You commit the argumentative fallacy of Appeal to Common Practice: Similarly, a common justification for bribery is that "Everybody does it". And in the past, this was a justification for slavery.

10.) Arguement To Complexity was used by you in this thread when you claimed people could not understand the argument and should 'get out' indicating that they had less credibility than you because they just didn't 'get it' ...

11.) Appeal To Poverty fallacy: The appeal to poverty fallacy is committed when it is assumed that a position is correct because it is held by the poor. Example
(1) The working classes respect family and community ties.
Therefore:
(2) Respect for family and community ties is virtuous.

12.) The fallacy of Appeal To Consequences as a means to indicate if something is right or wrong.

13.) Moralistic Fallacy: ie. "This is how things are; this is how the world works."

14.) Bifurcation Fallacy: The belief that there are two options when there are multiple options.

15.) Subjectivist Fallacy:

This is the big one for you.

Here is the formula:

(1) Your argument concludes that p is objectively true.
(2) P is subjective.
Therefore:
(3) Your argument fails.


These are the reasons I feel your argument does not hold up. I hope this has been informative for you.


For more on logical fallacies please visit: http://www.logicalfallacies.info


Thanks :)



"Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again." - C.S.Lewis

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^^^What he said^^^

Case closed.

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actually your right. sort of

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I kinda agree with TC. Here in "my" land people would murder him as soon as he put his foot on "our" street if they were aware of this post of his. Because we do not tolerate this kinda of misjudgement and stupidity "invading" "our" territory.

So, yeah... He is kinda right.

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Wow - you must live in one of those really cool "lands" where everyone on "your" street struts around carrying weapons just in case of "invasion".

Wild guess, but - American, right?


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Did they deserve it?

Did they deserve a dick-flash while trying to relax on the beach? Debatable.

Did they deserve a flat tire trap the next morning? Doubtful at BEST.

Did they deserve to have their car stolen?
Did they deserve to have a knife drawn on them when asking for their car back?
Did they deserve to be hunted, stabbed, tortured, raped, and eventually murdered because they accidentally killed a dog solely because a knife was drawn on them and they had to use self-defense?

Are you seriously asking that question, with the main justification being they are yuppies on the local's turf? Like honestly, what the hell is wrong with you?

'Are you the biggest joke on IMDB?' is a more valid question.

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Pseudo-intellectuals will always try to draw attention upon themselves, sometimes in a vulgar manner.

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That pretty much sums up my opinion.

This thread is pretty disturbing to read, if the OP is serious. Hopefully he is just trolling.

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You seem fixated on the point of the movie, as if negating the movies point somehow makes it ok to kill and torture.

I just can't understand anybody justifying torture and murder because I guy turns your stereo down, sure Steve was exerting authority and this was stupid but then you are somehow excusing the kids because Steve started it. Hell we don't even know if he did, the kids might have down the same thing regardless.

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Why in the world is this thread so long? Don't you all see that you're arguing with a psychopath??

How was this little line so overlooked??

"Then it escalated, in a perfectly understandable way......"
11th post down on the first page.

He is obviously unstable and his mind cannot be changed. So why keep posting your long arguments validating your points?? All he has backfired with is "You're missing the point." and something about ownership. OK. WE GET IT. OWNERSHIP. YES.

to the OP:
And you're defending Brett?? Brett?? A character who was obviously made to be absolutely disturbed and EVIL? For God's sake, even the other kids in his gang could see that he was evil! They wanted no part of it! They were just a bunch of punk kids with mouths on em. Brett was the one truly responsible for the deaths of Jenny and Steve and so that means that you're defending him, which makes you a sick bastard.

It's one thing to say that Steve shouldn't have touched the radio. It's a whole other thing to defend Brett's actions. Like seriously???? "Then it escalated, in a perfectly understandable way......"??? It sounds like it isn't even really about who's turf it was that bothered you. But more like Steve ticked you off and you yourself have murderous thoughts and are (quite publicly) a nutcase.

If you are a troll, which it seems like you must be because if someone approved of torture I doubt they would be open about it on a message board on the internet.. but at the same time you keep having more and more to say so then I get to thinking that maybe you are just crazy.. But.. If you are a troll, then well have a nice day. Find a new hobby. Weirdo.

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Relax. Calm down. It's only an internet forum.

If I say I 'understand' why someone did something, it doesn't mean I support what they did. It just means that I understand the psychology behind what happened - get it now?

You might have had a point if I'd said "Then it escalated, in a perfectly justifiable way...". But I didn't.


As for your next three rambling paragraphs, I suggest you look up the principle of transference (I believe there's a useful Wikipedia article on it that should give you a flavour) and then look at your own life.....

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I wish I could flag your post...for being AWESOME! ;D

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TC's answer: Yes she does.

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