Talk about your wasted use of film!
A movie made about the events that took place during a sea voyage of the doomed ship Demeter? Anyone who has read "Dracula" knows exactly what happened to the crew and the captain. Dracula feasted on them at night, eventually killing everyone on board.
There is no last minute rescue. There is no happy ending. EVERYONE ON BOARD DIES!!! (Except DRACULA!)
We don't know for sure what happened.
Dracula is written through testimonies. We know what the captain wrote, we don't know what really happened.
Sure, main events are the same: Dracula arrives and most sailors die, but there's still room for some plot twists. Perhaps the captain's log didn't tell the whole story...
True. But NOONE onboard survived. There isn't much of a story to tell.
Incidentally, "Dracula" is one of my favorite novels. I like how it is told through diary and journal entries instead of chapters.
We don't know for sure.
We know that people onboard were dead. Did the number of bodies matched the documents? Somebody checked it?
Perhaps there was some boat missing, or somebody jumped to the water and swam when the ship was close to the coast. Perhaps he could escape from Dracula, or maybe Dracula liked playing games and left somebody live.
What if Dracula had some minion in the ship? What if there were people in the ship that didn't appear in the ship manifesto? What if Dracula wasn't the only vampire onboard? I mean, there's room for twists.
OMFG, kukuxu, are you frickin' SERIOUS? IT'S ALL COMPLETE FICTION! WHO CARES?! I'll tell you one thing right now, this movie will be a massive FLOP! Everyone can see that coming a LIGHT YEAR away!!
You probably should not see a James Bond movie or a sports movie or a superhero movie.
shareWere you addressing me or one of the other posters? I have seen all the Bond films, and most of them in a theater (including Dr. No in 1962). I am not much into sports movies, but have seen my fair share of them - Rocky, Hoosiers, etc. And I LOVE the superhero films as I love science fiction and that, in my eyes, are what superhero films are.
shareYou should have the same complaints about those movies then.
Bond sleeps with a woman and saves the world.
An underdog overcomes the odds and wins the sporting event.
The hero whose name is in the title has a fistfight with the villain and saves the day or world.
I think a lot of posters misunderstood my post. My problem with this movie is that we all know the outcome. I love a good Dracula film. My favorite is still 1958's "Horror Of Dracula" (In my opinion, no-one did it better than Christopher Lee)
But making this film is like the making of "The Thing (2011)". We all knew that none of those people were going to survive going into it. I saw it and I was right.
Thanks for the explanation.
shareIn the original "The Thing from Another World" (1951) most of the people survived. Why would I have assumed none of them were going to survive in the remake? You guessed lucky.
shareNot the 1982 "The Thing". You never knew what was going to happen to the crew in that one. In the 2011 version, it shows what happens to the Norwegian team that the crew encounters at the beginning of the 1982 version.
So, it was like beating a dead horse.
My problem with this movie is that we all know the outcome.The traditional tale is based on the captain's log. But the captain died before the ship made it to England, so there's lots of wiggle room to fill in the blanks of how Dracula got there. share
"Anyone who has read "Dracula" knows exactly what happened"
According to that logic all movie adaptations of the novel are useless as well. We all know who dies or lives at the end.
Besides, who's to say that this isn't some kind of spin on the original story?
That is true. We watch movies to see the stories come to life.
shareThanks for spoiling the story for everyone who didnt read Dracula you asshole....
shareHa ha ha! Funny! The story is over 100 years old. If you hadn't read it by now, you weren't going to read it.
shareUm everyone was not around within the last 100...so you just spoiled it for everyone who hasnt read it. Good job numbnuts...
share>>>>Um everyone was not around within the last 100<<<<
Everyone likely to see the film has, indeed, been around within the last 100 years. This concept that we cannot discuss stories that have been around for years, decades, centuries is utterly bizarre to me. By that logic no one can discuss any film, book, etc. because someone, somewhere hasn't seen/read it.
Noting that a series of comments contains spoilers for a reasonable period after a story comes out is rationale. But extending it to years is unreasonable. Personally, my limit is 6 months to a year. Beyond that it is the reader's responsibility to avoid discussions which might contain spoilers.
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I doubt a 20 or under has read the book. So dave just ruined it for all of them.
NICE GOING DAVE...
And that would be Dave's problem; not mine and not other people who wish to discuss this film, the book, or any of the film adaptations. They have been around for a long time. And no matter how long it has been there will ALWAYS by people who have not read/seen them. Other people have the right to discuss things without watching their words and avoiding certain (and by your implied definitions ALL) books and film because someone hasn't seen it.
While a reasonable moratorium period is appropriate (your mileage may vary, but a year is the extreme edge of that) it is the responsibility of people who don't want to be "spoiled" to avoid discussions.
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In the Markets of Tyre
Flight to Lystra
The Theater at Ephesus (coming soon)
The Council on Jerusalem (coming 2023)
At the end of "Romeo and Juliet" they both die!
shareTo be fair, it's not difficult to throw something like (spoilers for book) into the title. There are no technical hindrances to doing so and it requires almost no additional effort.
shareAnd as I said above, throwing in a spoilers warning for the first year or so after a film/book/whatever has come out is fair. However, for anything older the reader should ASSUME there will be spoilers. You simply cannot discuss a creative work in any depth without revealing spoilers. Avoiding those discussions is the reader's responsibility.
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The Road from Antioch
In the Markets of Tyre
Flight to Lystra
The Theater at Ephesus (coming soon)
The Council on Jerusalem (coming late 2023)
Well the movie is new, not years old, and certainly not everyone interested in seeing the movie has read Stoker's novel. Will you not at least agree that it's bad form to discuss in-depth a related work, even if the work is old, if doing so will also reveal spoilers for a brand new movie?
shareNo. If a work is completely new, than a spoiler warning is good, for a limited period of time. As I mentioned, 6 months to a year seems fair. However, a related work adapted or derived from an original seems excessive. In this case, some discussion of details might be served by a spoiler warning. However, the basic story of the Demeter is given in Dracula.
I don't believer people should be restricted or shamed into not discussing works that are years old. In all cases, someone has not seen or read the original. It doesn't matter how famous it is. Polls have been conducted that significant numbers of Americans have never heard of Superman. I knew someone once who had never seen Disney's Sleeping Beauty 29 years after its release.
This is a movie discussion site. We come here to discuss movies. We shouldn't have to wait months or years (or never according to some people) to do so.
If you(generic you) are going to come to a forum specifically intended to discuss works, its your job to avoid discussions which might spoil your enjoyment.
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The Road from Antioch
In the Markets of Tyre
Flight to Lystra
The Theater at Ephesus (coming soon)
The Council on Jerusalem (coming late 2023)
I'm pretty pumped for it. Ghost ship stories are awesome and i've always found this bit of the Dracula tale to be highly interesting.
shareI agree. I like a good ghost story also. It might just be me, but it just seems to me like this might be a waste of time.
shareDito , sounds like a neat idea. Focus on one small story with in a story . Opposed to what most movies do cramming everything in to one or streching things out into as many movies as the can make
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Hopefully they suspend you again for spamming page after page with this ranting and raving.
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