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Idiot Cinematographer Fabian Wagner tells Fans to... "...adjust your lifestyles"


Stupid wanker! It was his job to shoot a night battle that would be visible to the average viewer with an average TV, and instead of being humble about putting out an episode that was so dark that most of us were asking each other what the fuck was going on, he says we should learn how to tune our TVs properly.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/game-of-thrones-cinematographer-dark-battle-of-winterfell-episode.html

LET'S PILLORY HIM!!!

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He's right. It was beautifully shot and very fitting for what it was supposed to represent.

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Even with the lights off, I couldn't see a goddamn thing, and after I'd seen it twice on two different TVs I still had to go online and ask my fellow nerds what the fuck was happening!

Mr. Cinemetographer fucked up.

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I watched a "preview" version (couldn't wait a whole day) and I had no problems. But I did watch it in a dark room and I did adjust the TV a bit.

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Yeah I thought it turned out all right. I just used a bit more back light than usual

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What an arrogant attitude! I guess it's no surprise that it turned out the way it did with that guy in charge.

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Correct.

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What a moron, and his work shows. Yes it's the fault of the Tv's when everything else looks fine.

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30 seconds in the wife and I were like, “Ooh, this is dark. Turn off the lights.” We did and didn’t have any problem watching.

It’s a middle-of-the-night battle, in the middle of winter, at Winterfell. What did people expect? Stadium lighting?

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In my case, turning the lights off wasnt enough, even an otherwise dark room I had great difficulty with the darker scenes.

Which is why I'm pissed about this arrogant fool.

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Especially when it came to the Dragons flying... Couldn’t tell wtf was happening.

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As the guy mentioned, it could just be the method of compression HBO used for the episode that caused too much darkness. He does admit that it was a stylistic choice, though.

I think we can all agree that the episode is very difficult to watch via streaming / pirated / on a tablet / laptop / anything less than a good-sized 4K TV in a dark room.

For HBO not to take that into consideration, in the final season of their highest rated TV series ever, is kind of mind-boggling.

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No, I have a 34-inch HD Sony XBR CRT direct-view, the finest consumer CRT ever made, and I have a lamp burning at a brightness of 2,300 degrees Kelvin, the color temperature of the Sun, behind the set, so my irises won’t shut down and lose the ability to perceive fine detail, and I saw dragons etc. very clearly. The issue in situations like this is not lines of resolution. It’s contrast ratio. Some 4K sets have HDR technology to boost their effective contrast ratios, BUT only if HDR data are imbedded in the source material, which HBO does not do. I do have my video feed running through an outboard Darbee video processor, which lets me replicate HDR on any source, even on a VCR. If you’re looking for native high-contrast with no processing in a modern TV, you want an OLED. Period.

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Yup. I second R_Kane.

For TV I have just a 32" 1080p Visio OLED with backlight and contrast maxed and I could view it beautifully. I also have a 1440p 34" LCD flatscreen monitor that I also set to 2300 Kelvin so I can see fine detail and it's absolutely stunning.

Capable OLED TVs are dirt cheap these days, I'd recommend anyone that has a TV that can't watch this to consider getting a new TV.

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By saying that people needed to adjust their TVs, he's admitting that he filmed it too dark especially when all other shows look fine.

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What are TV adjustments for, otherwise? The idea behind the way it was filmed was to deliver the fog of war, with an option to cheat.

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I think the cinematographer is selfish. Some people have eyesight issues , not everybody have 100% eyesight. My TV is a brand new 4k TV and even in the brightest setting there are scene I could only see darkness and fog , at times I couldn't even make out who was fighting who. I think we have a case of the cinematographer caring more about the sort of realism he personally like rather than a cinematographer who thinks about the actual viewers and how to make the episode watchable to everyone. He said he had issue with the way the battles looked in the early season because the lighting did not look natural enough! Only that bloody idiot was bothered by this, I never eared any one complaining about the early battle scenes, in fact they always were the highest rated episodes but because he is "an artist" and wanted his way he decided to make the lighting more realistic and tons of people could barely see nothing as a result. What a pretentious turd!

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Are you sure you're on the brightest setting? Instead of the presets did you try the manual adjustments?

I bet you can crank it up far more if you tweak the manuals.

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How the hell are we supposed to be swept away by the drama and action if we're twiddling the settings on our TVs instead of getting into the story???

It was insane to put out a finished product that wasnt accessible to all or most viewers, and if this board is any indication the majority of viewers had some kind of problem seeing what was going on.

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It takes me 10-20 seconds tops to tweak my TV manual settings on my remote if the lighting isn't right. You just have to get a hang of it. It's not like you have to keep readjusting throughout. Just set it once and it looks a whole hell of a lot better than it did before.

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For me personally, I usually never have issues with my TV setting. I actually do not remember struggling to watch a film or TV show because it was too dark before this. And yet that cinematographer say it's all our fault!

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Maybe he is in a high end bubble, I just didn't have any issues instantly adjusting with my manual on my 8 year old OLED TV so I bet you could make it work on a 4K.

My computer monitor I didn't even need to adjust anything to get x265 1080p in 10-bit color to start watching right away.

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I never had any issue seeing every detail of what was happening before this episode. So obviously he messed up, “I made it darker so you guys would have to make it brighter you fools, understand your TV.” That’s what I took away from what he said. Maybe if I’ve ever had an issue before with being unable to see anything besides black forms appearing to bump into each other then maybe I would consider what he was saying to be possibly true. But it’s not like this was slightly too dark, it was way too dark. I wanted to see people’s fighting techniques and styles, individual strikes and DETAILS, not “Oh I think the guy on the left is a normal person and the right is a rotting corpse, ehh maybe not, oh wait it cut to another scene.” And also, whenever people got surrounded by zombies it would cut to something different, then when it cut back suddenly there were a manageable number of zombies and the favorite characters survived it. I wanted to like this episode a lot, but it was a let down in many ways. It didn’t seem like a real Game of Thromes episode, but a stupid rip off meant to try to appeal to the most people as possible. Almost no one of consequence died during this most dangerous battle of the series. I’m very disappointed that no one had the balls to step up and tell the “artists” who began ruining this episode that they were screwing everything up.

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Yeah same here ! I literally never had an issue watching anything on my TV before this episode lol So obviously there is an issue outside my TV setting...

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