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Beyond terrible, even for this franchise


If this doesn’t convince you to not watch this film, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

1. Gone is the menacing Pinhead with a terrifying sinister voice which is replaced by a 90 pound twig female who speaks in a computer voice and has no charisma or screen presence whatsoever.

2. The lead actress is made to look as ugly as possible (unkempt frizzy hair, baggy K-mart clothes, duck lips, and fat nose that’s oozing blood and mucus all film). She spends the whole movie in tears, sobbing, slobbering, and being unlikeable in general. I’m surprised they didn’t put her in a diaper because the filmmakers certainly didn’t want men getting an erection.

3. Even worse, the male characters are all sexualized and chiseled, two gay characters spoon in bed together with their shirts off and we’re treated to a tracking shot of another dude in the shower that slowly zooms in on his bare ass so we can see the water drip down his ass crack. Who is the target audience here?

4. What was wrong with just solving the puzzle box and demons showing up? Now you must get stabbed by cube (drawing blood) or you can just stab anyone you want to doom them? Why not just keep it simple?

5. Female pinhead is now a genie who asks for your wishes……and spoiler alert……all you have to do to outsmart her is just say “I don’t want a wish” haha, is this wishmaster now?

6. Millionaire Mansion dweller guy finds a way to keep the centobites away by creating metal gates in his house….apparently demons don’t know how to breach metal gates

7. An Asian woman with a British accent shoehorns herself into the movie without any explanation as to why she is there. Is she a friend of the gay couple? A ghost from a well? Diversity placement? Your guess is as good as mine.

8. The lighting is way too dark throughout the film and it’s hard to make out what’s going on at parts. Gone is the fantastic lighting when the centobites show up.

9. Once again we’re treated to the cliche lead character being a recovering drug addict (really Hollywood? Again?) and she of coarse becomes an internet sleuth and detective like we’ve seen thousands of times over and over again.

10. Lastly, there is a twist that doesn’t make much sense involving druggy girls boyfriend who was in on it all along because why? His morality blows around like the wind whenever it’s convenient for the story and I still don’t understand why we had to see his bare ass in the shower. Was the water dripping down his buttcrack a metaphor for something? I mean the director used a tracking shot for us to get a good look at it…..did I miss something?

Anyways, this movie is hot garbage. Avoid at all costs.

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(Your post is) mostly nonsense.

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At least I took the time to give reasons why I felt it sucked, agree or disagree for all I care.

Not saying the original is without its flaws but I don’t see how this new film remotely does this franchise any Justice, especially the first two films that are on another stratosphere to the ones that followed.

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Agreed. You are entitled to your opinion, and you did explain your reasons. And yes, the first two films (but mostly the first one) are superior to this latest outing. Still, there is plenty to enjoy in Hellraiser 2022.
The reply to some of the questions in your OP lie in a second more attentive viewing of the film.

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No, actually all of his points are fairly valid. Feel free to explain why they are nonsense with your own reasoning, I'm curious to see what you say.

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Well, since you asked:

1. “Gone is the menacing Pinhead with a terrifying sinister voice which is replaced by a 90 pound twig female"

> Pinhead in the original movie is not a threat because of his hand-to-hand combat abilities or physical strength is he? Doug Bradley isn’t exactly a physically threatening or very impressive specimen himself, is he?

https://d2j6dbq0eux0bg.cloudfront.net/images/13343258/863719684.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/oel8xk/doug_bradley_who_played_pinhead_in_the_movie/

So what’s wrong with having a 90 pound (trans) woman play him then? Especially when the character in the original novel is described as having been modified beyond any possible gender recognition.


2. OP picked the wrong film genre to complain about not getting an erection. Plenty of films on the internet from “filmmakers that want men to get erections” (which there’s nothing wrong with, mind you, provided no human being is being exploited.).


3. “Two gay characters spoon in bed together with their shirts off. (…) Who is the target audience here?”

> How dare they inject any amount of gay subtext in this story? It’s not like the author of the original novel and film is gay, right? However, OP should watch again, without his phone -or whatever he was holding in his hand while watching- this time: there is no such scene in the entire film. There are however two scenes of a man and a woman having sex.


4. Yes, why not just give us the exact same thing we’ve been served for 10 consecutive films? We’re uncomfortable with what’s not familiar, and feel unsafe outside of our comfort zone.

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5. “All you have to do to outsmart (Pinhead) is just say “I don’t want a wish” haha…”

> Pinhead is outsmarted in the first two original movies as well (tricked into taking Larry Cotton instead of his brother Frank in the first film, tricked into remembering his own human past and turning against hell by being shown a photograph in the second). In Hellraiser 2022, the Hell Priest isn’t ‘tricked’: Riley not accepting any gift in fact ‘chooses’ the Lament configuration by default, which is a brief life of regret and moral anguish.


7. “An Asian woman with a British accent shoehorns herself into the movie without any explanation as to why she is there. Is she a friend of the gay couple? A ghost from a well? Diversity placement? Your guess is as good as mine.”

> Actually, we don’t have to guess because Nora explains in her very first scene that she’s the roommate, so again: OP should rewatch without their phone or genitals in their hands.
Also, OP would probably feel insulted (and rightly so) if I went as far as explaining to them the US is a country with a pretty heterogeneous population with plenty of Asians (with plenty of different accents), as well as many visiting foreigners, so I won’t.


8. “Gone is the fantastic lighting when the centobites show up”.

>The following screen captures say otherwise I think: https://ibb.co/gtFGNJZ


9. “Once again we’re treated to the cliche lead character being a recovering drug addict (really Hollywood? Again?) and she of coarse becomes an internet sleuth and detective like we’ve seen thousands of times over and over again”.

> So wait, does the OP want to be served the same old warmed-up dish over and over again (see their complaint #4 and 8) or do they want something new and original they haven’t already seen before? They should make up their mind.


10. “…..did I miss something?”

>In fact the OP did (see most of the above).

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How much is Hulu paying you to shill for this atrocious movie?

So an Asian woman with a British accent is a roommate to a gay couple….somewhere in America? Um excuse me, that never happened in the history of this country. Diversity for the sake of diversity.

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Well at least i'm getting paid for my time as a shill on this forum. What's your excuse for not doing anything more productive with your life?
Also : not the dude with "gay" in his name, so I probably don't know as much as you do on the subject of who gay couples tolerate as roommates.

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ALL THOSE OTHER WORDS WERE UNNEEDED...WE GET WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DISLIKE WITHIN ONE SENTENCE.



1. Gone is the menacing Pinhead with a terrifying sinister voice which is replaced by a 90 pound twig female



P.S. YOU SUCK AND NOBODY AGREES WITH YOU.

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Did you like this film? Am I supposed to like this film because it has woke elements?

Why do you even exist on this site?

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NO...YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT THIS BULLSHIT FAKE "WOKE" NONSENSE...PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND THE TINY FRACTION OF ASSHOLES WHO CAN'T TAKE THE WAY THE WORLD IS NOW HAVE TAKEN TO THE INTERNET TO FLEX THEIR NONEXISTANT MUSCLE AND FLING THEIR TINY LITTLE DICKS ABOUT TO WHINE AND BITCH LIKE REAL MEN(?)

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So can you explain to me why the director used a tracking shot of a nude guys ass while he showers? What did this have to do with the plot?

Gays make up 2% of the population and women don’t watch this crap so explain to me the logic going on.

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I CAN'T...YOUR BASE SET OF KNOWLEDGE IS CORRUPTED AND FALSE...MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPLAIN SIMPLE LOGIC TO YOU...I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH...

IN THE HELLBOUND HEART(YOU KNOW THE BOOK BY CLIVE BARKER)...PINHEAD IS DESCRIBED AS AN ADRONGYNOUS BEING WITH A FEMININE VOICE.

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I've not seen this film yet I bet wouldn't have an issue if it was a women

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What if this woman had a computer voice that sounded really fake and corny? Would you still want to watch it?

What if I told you that female pinhead has the charisma of a grapefruit? Still want to waste 2 hours of your life?

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FIRST OFF...THAT IS HOW PINHEAD IS DESCRIBED BY CLIVE BARKER...SECOND...THE ACTOR WAS GREAT...YOU HAVE MISPLACED HATE.

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Do you enjoy a lot of bland foods, Kowalski?

The actor's performance was insipid. The lines spoken were a pale imitation of those in the original.

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THAT'S TOO BAD...FOR YOU.

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Were you chewing on a piece of cardboard while you typed that?

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YUP...MY MOUTH WAS FULL OF BOX...BUSTED.

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You never even watched the movie. Your entire agenda is defending woke movies at all costs. Such a noble purpose.

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I AM NOT SPEAKING ON THE FILM...ONLY THE CASTING THAT DICKLESS BITCH PUDDLES SEEM TO IRRITATED WITH AND THE PERFOMANCE OF SAID ACTOR AS GLEAMED FROM THREE OR FOUR BIG HORROR AFFICIANADOS WHO'S OPINIONS I TRUST AND THE TRASILER I SAW MYSELF...MY BIG POINT IS SABOUT THE CHARACTER ITSELF...AS I HAVE READ THE BOOK...I WILL REPEAT...


IN THE HELLBOUND HEART(YOU KNOW THE BOOK BY CLIVE BARKER)...PINHEAD IS DESCRIBED AS AN ADRONGYNOUS BEING WITH A FEMININE VOICE.

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Yes but what you fail to understand is that her voice isn’t used in the movie, it’s a computer voice that’s dubbed into the movie and it doesn’t really sound all that feminine. Also she was born a man so even if her voice was 1% included you’re still hearing a man’s voice. Very inaccurate from the source material indeed.

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PFFT...NITPICKING MOTHER FUCKER.😘

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I agree with him

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LIKE I SAID...NOBODY AGREES WITH HIM.😘

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I also agree with him.

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YOU ARE HIM...THERE COULD BE 40 OF YOU...STILL WOULD EQUAL OUT TO NOBODY...YOU MORONS DON'T COUNT TOWARDS ANYTHING BUT NOISE POLLUTION AND AIR CONSUMPTION.

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Have you seen this movie yet?

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You probably should stick to Disney movies.

This was definitely one of the best horror movies all year.

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Barbarian and Smile were mediocre yet both were vastly better films than this. Raise your bar young man.

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I wish this site had a LIKE button :)

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I WISH THIS SITE MADE YOU WEIRDOS TAKE A PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST BEFORE THEY ALLOW YOU TO POST.

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...says the man screaming to himself =)

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OH GEEZ...THAT SHIT COVERED PEARL OF UNWISDOM.

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What's the matter KOWALSKI, you can't handle someone else's opinion if it's different than your own?

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🥰💦

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What? the lead actress is hot as hell and this film is better than the original

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I’ve not seen a more hideous female lead character since Charlize Theron in ‘Monster’ and that’s saying something.

I’m not sure she combed her hair once during filming this piece of garbage and you could see drool on her baggy sweat pants attire, her nose might be the most disgusting nose I’ve ever seen put to camera, at times it looks purple and puss-filled.

Those lips are just terrible as well, might look good If she was a duck but I felt bad for the actor who had to pretend to make love with her. I bet she arrived on set with skid marks in her britches.

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What are you talking about?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BY2ViNWZjMzctMzVkOS00YjM3LTkyMjYtOTYxNTc1NTAyZmNiXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTUwMDQ4MzMw._V1_.jpg

She looks stunning and has great facial features. Just because she doesn't looks like a plastic doll doesn't means she is ugly.

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She’s so ugly that you chose a photo that’s dark and murky to hide the hideousness haha.

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She is stunning:

https://assets.popbuzz.com/2020/41/what-is-odessa-azions-real-name-1602784198-view-0.jpg

https://thebiography.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/1a21eab5a6c11ac0aa656743fe494092-715x1024.jpg

You are in denial to say she isn't.

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She looks like duck woman.

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Objectively false.

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This movie goes out of it's way to make her look like the Finn kid from Stranger Things as well as having the fashion sense of a bum living on the streets of Portland.

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Why does her looks bother you so much?

I've seen posts like this before. Like can't you enjoy a film without being attracted to the lead?

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The man said her nose looked puss filled. Wtf

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Jesus Dude!!!!

I gave 10 reasons, my point was that the filmmakers went out of their way to make her look as ugly as possible. Can you explain this or tell us how it improved the movie?

Even if she was decent looking the movie would have still sucked, half the movie is so dark you can’t see shit with the poor lighting and like I said, the new pinhead sucks.

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Looks are subjective but you definitely seem to be overreacting based on the photos posted above. Take a chill pill, bro.

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Did you watch the movie? Spend 2 hours looking at the lead chick and then get back with me please

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Watched the film yesterday. She does look kinda wack, you're right. But she is playing a drug addicted loser basically so looking like she's a typical Seattle or Portland muppet kinda fits the bill.

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I believe your post but hey at least this Pinhead is accurate to the "source material" which people care about only when it's convenient.

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I’m not familiar with the source material so maybe that factored into it and I’ve heard people refer to Doug Bradley’s performance as being too theatrical which I sort of see but…….I just don’t see why they cast a female to play pinhead and then use a computer voice, no wonder her performance seems so subdued.

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Good point, they really care about the sentence where pinhead "not by name" is mentioned.
Truth is without the original films portrayals "from the person who wrote the story" there would be no sequels or remake. The original novel and film are the source material.

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i mean Pinhead in this film is not really accurate to the "source"" material.

“Its voice, unlike that of its companion, was light and breathy-the voice of an excited girl. Every inch of its head had been tattooed with an intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal and vertical axes a jeweled pin driven through to the bone. Its tongue was similarly decorated.”

and frank was unable to tell the gender of the creature because it was so badly mutilated and it clothes
were sewn through its skin.

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>If this doesn’t convince you to not watch this film, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

Why would some random dude's opinion convince me to not watch something?

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Can you tell it was filmed in East Europe?

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