The Doctors gay now?. Jesus these pretentious woke nuts just can't stop stroking their own pretentious egos. First the Doctor was originally a black woman now the Doctor was always gay. The more i hear the more i'm glad i stopped at Capaldi. I sure hope the show runners remember to wipe themselves after taking such a massive shit all over this once great franchise.
shareYou also missed the trans ”woman” in the recent special taking the Doctor’s powers saying he isn’t worthy of having them (or some such nonsense).
Russel B. Davies, who is gay, is now reportedly doing everything he wasn’t “allowed” to do in earlier seasons.
On top of that, he chose to now make Davros, one of the greatest and most iconic DW villains, look like a normal human being who can walk because Davies didn’t want to give the impression that physically handicapped people are evil. 🙄
Torchwood must've upset you big time when it was on.
You do realise the BBC isn't beholden to the attitudes of reactionary right-wingers, and produces content for a British audience.
I actually loved Torchwood. It had some not so great episodes but it was a great sci fi show with a great hero in Captain Jack Harkness. Did not give a crap that he was gay. No one did. Normal people don't care about stuff like that. Only silly woke activists who think that inane things like race,sexual preference, and gender relate to a persons character do. Normal people know better.
shareSo why does Jack Harkness being not straight not bother you then, but it does with the Doctor?
shareBecause the Doctor is a straight white dude. Always has been. There's nothing non-inclusive or offensive about that. Hijacking the character and depicting him otherwise is just woke nonsense. I could get changing the character for the sake of character development. But race,gender and sexuality have nothing to do with character and offer nothing creative. It's just pure woke identity politics.
share>Because the Doctor is a straight white dude. Always has been.
So does his race also bother you? Not sure why someone described as a "Time Lord" must always be, forever, white.
>character and depicting him otherwise is just woke nonsense. I could get changing the character for the sake of character development. But race,gender and sexuality have nothing to do with character and offer nothing creative. It's just pure woke identity politics.
It's literally a BBC creation. There's no literature its pulling from. They really can just do whatever they like, and are doing so.
It's literally a BBC creation. There's no literature its pulling from. They really can just do whatever they like, and are doing so.
"So does his race also bother you? Not sure why someone described as a "Time Lord" must always be, forever, white."
That's such an easy answer. You can't get offended that were shoving our woke agenda down your throat because he's an alien. Captain Jack is an alien too. I wonder if the LGBTQ community might get just a little annoyed or offended if he were to suddenly be straight via some alien loophole.
"It's literally a BBC creation. There's no literature its pulling from. They really can just do whatever they like, and are doing so."
Very true. But the BBC should also care about the fans who kept the show alive for decades. Instead they've given the fans the finger and are catering to a minority audience. Most of who were probably never fans of the show until it became a podium for woke nuts.
>That's such an easy answer. You can't get offended that were shoving our woke agenda down your throat because he's an alien. Captain Jack is an alien too. I wonder if the LGBTQ community might get just a little annoyed or offended if he were to suddenly be straight via some alien loophole.
So one alien can be LGBT (or present as such), but another can't?
>Very true. But the BBC should also care about the fans who kept the show alive for decades.
You mean British people? And not reactionaries from the USA?
But Jack was always gay. I'd be annoyed if anybody hijacked the character and tried to change that for the the sake of identity politics.
And i mean fans of the show where ever they may be from. Doctor who is a British show but it's fandom is not isolated to the UK. And again if i were a political reactionary who had a problem with race,gender or sexual preference then i wouldn't be a fan of Torchwood. My problem isn't race,gender or sexauality. It's the forced political shoehorning of these things in the industry that bother me.
>And i mean fans of the show where ever they may be from. Doctor who is a British show but it's fandom is not isolated to the UK.
Doesn't matter. They're not British. BBCs remit is to make entertainment for Brits. If foreigners enjoy it, fine, but they are only interested in the British reaction.
>And again if i were a political reactionary who had a problem with race,gender or sexual preference then i wouldn't be a fan of Torchwood. My problem isn't race,gender or sexauality. It's the forced political shoehorning of these things in the industry that bother me.
I don't see any reason why writing a Doctors incarnation as LGBT, black or female is a major problem at all.
"Doesn't matter. They're not British. BBCs remit is to make entertainment for Brits. If foreigners enjoy it, fine, but they are only interested in the British reaction."
If they only cared about the British reaction then they wouldn't promote it internationally and they wouldn't be moving it to Disneyplus.
Glad your enjoying the woke dumster fire. you are the minority. To each their own. As far as i'm concerned the show died with Capaldis Doctor.
>If they only cared about the British reaction then they wouldn't promote it internationally and they wouldn't be moving it to Disneyplus.
BBC will sell programs abroad, but the chief interest is the reaction of the British people as the BBCs primary remit is to entertain BRITS.
>Glad your enjoying the woke dumster fire. you are the minority. To each their own. As far as i'm concerned the show died with Capaldis Doctor.
I don't watch it, but as a Brit, there's no reason to think its lost steam.
But only the fans in the UK 'keep the show alive'. The fans elsewhere in the world have no effect either on its continuation nor its direction. It's a show made by a British public service broadcaster for a British audience. Fans elsewhere are just a bonus.
Would you whinge endlessly about a Korean TV show not being entirely to your tastes? I suspect not. Give British culture the same courtesy that you'd give Korea's then. We are not you.
Not whining. giving my opinion. That's what this page is for.
shareYes, you're giving your opinion on a show you haven't watched for years that's made primarily for a culture that is not yours. Think how silly that is.
shareSo i have to be British to be a fan and have a valid opinion. Think how silly that is. I'm sure Many British citizens have opinions about popular American shows. I wouldn't demean their opinion just because their not American.
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Well, firstly, you'd have to watch the show to have a valid opinion. And it would help to have some respect and sensitivity towards the cultural differences that might inform that show.
It's not about having an opinion; it's about expecting a British television show to conform to peculiarly American conservative mores and criticising it on the grounds that it doesn't.
It's British. We're not like you.
I've been watching the show since i was a kid. I've seen all classic episodes and nu-who up to Capaldi.
"It's not about having an opinion; it's about expecting a British television show to conform to peculiarly American conservative mores and criticising it on the grounds that it doesn't."
Peculiarly American conservative mores?. My opinion isn't politically based nor peculiarly American. It's a fans opinion.
My opinion isn't politically based
How else would you describe whats become of the show though. If you don't want me to use terms like woke and Identity politics then they shouldn't have politicized the show by so blatantly shoehorning wokeness and identity politics into it. Doctor who use to be about entertainment. Now it's become preachy PC propaganda.
shareHow would I describe what's become of the show?
Well, I'd describe it as following the same broadly socially progressive path it has throughout most of its very long history. I'd describe the show as reflecting modern British values and modern British sensibilities.
This is demonstrated in the audience numbers, in AI ratings and -- if you like -- in social attitude surveys. It's also demonstrated by the way that even a Conservative Party government has chosen to turn away from American-style 'culture wars' because they've discovered they don't work here. There are no votes in that bollocks. Yes, even British Conservative Party members (who are ancient) tend to be more socially progressive than their American Republican counterparts, let alone the rest of the country at large.
We. Are. Not. You.
America is not the world. The world is not America.
"Well, I'd describe it as following the same broadly socially progressive path it has throughout most of its very long history."
Always socially progressive through out the years yes but it took a massive PC shift after Capaldi. The show isn't merely socially progressive any more it's an out right tool for preaching identity politics. I've read their now changing the race of real historical figures. Isaac Newton is now Indian. If that's not cultural appropriation i don't know what is.
As far as I'm aware Isaac Newton was present in the show for like 3 minutes and was presented in a comedic way.
shareNo matter how you paint it it's still cultural appropriation and offensive.
shareYou just rode roughshod over everything I told you about my own country and culture, didn't you? And then you wonder why Americans have a bad reputation around the world.
Oh well. Have a wonderful day.
No idea what roughshod means friend but all my points were truthful and valid. You have yourself a nice day as well though.
shareHe means you ignored his point about the British people not caring and aren't as invested in the US culture wars at all. It's British lingo.
shareAgain cultural appropriation and wokeness are not politically exclusive to Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbV8_b2eEYM
Right, but again, there's no evidence that British people care about this in Doctor Who much.
sharehttps://www.youtube.com/live/ZzbS9nzmpic?si=fN7dmm43CIfL54S9&t=895
https://youtu.be/ZToy9v6MC5o?si=cjtVCo284E4x8rdF
These guys audience is mostly American. They are total unknowns in the UK
shareNot just gay, but colored as well…
shareThe cover art looks gay....
This is all done out of spite.
95% of the world do not want this crap.
But the 5%% double down and push it.
And the scariest part is usually a loss of money made them change.
But even today as companies lose millions pushing this nonsense, they dont care and double down.
Making this while.thing much bigger.
>95% of the world do not want this crap.
Doctor Who is a BBC production. Its remit is to the British public, not the world.
>But the 5%% double down and push it.
What are other examples of failure you might be referring to here?
>But even today as companies lose millions pushing this nonsense, they dont care and double down.
The BBC is a public service broadcaster. It's not a company with a profit motive.
Other examples?
Budweiser
Disney
Hollywood
Losing tons of revenue for being forced to go down an aisle that appeals to the 5%
So many other companies.
Dr who and most televised things these days are world wide no connected to one place
The older dr who's, yes. Back then you can sense the charm, imagination and British culture.
>Budweiser
They don't make entertainment and are still going.
>Disney
Can you be more specific?
>Losing tons of revenue for being forced to go down an aisle that appeals to the 5%
Can you tell me why The Last of Us, Heartstopper, Sex Education and Euphoria were all so successful?
>Dr who and most televised things these days are world wide no connected to one place
This doesn't matter. I can watch Korean shows from TVN. They're still made for a KOREAN AUDIENCE. My enjoyment, or lack of is not relevant. Similarly, Doctor Who is made by the BBC for the British public. The BBC is not a commercial broadcaster with a profit motive.
https://youtu.be/l0kCH-ACgM8?si=zllymoqxQiVvQ-xJ
shareWhat does this have to do with anything I said?
shareThat's the pinnacle.
shareAnd what does this have to do with my questions or my point about Doctor Who being primarily for brits?
shareYou asked to be more specific when I said Disney does this stuff.
Okay. I also asked other things. Disney isn't exactly prominently known for that show right now.
Can you tell me why The Last of Us, Heartstopper, Sex Education and Euphoria were all so successful?
And Doctor Who is still made, chiefly for a UK audience.
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I see our resident woke troll and his socks have taken over another thread...
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