Instead of getting blasted thru the skies, several thousand feet, etc...
I would have written that there was an underground base... probably the same place he was later interviewed in the following scene.
Doesn't need saving. Great scene.
shareI would have the fridge land in the water. So many scenes have been saved by having the protagonist land in water. But instead they hit those rocks at 200mph, and Indy emerged unscathed.
shareWhat made the scene hard for me to take was Indy surviving the fridge flying through the air. If they had left the fridge lying in the rubble of the town, and maybe had some men in hazmat suits walking through the aftermath and hearing a tapping coming from this fridge, I would have liked that much better. When I first saw this movie, and Indy was getting into the lead lined fridge, I remember thinkning "Wow, Indy just found a way to escape a nuclear bomb. Awesome."
shareHere's what I don't get. While the fridge scene was far fetched to say the least, why is there so much hate for this scene and none for the Temple of Doom Raft scene? That one was just as unbelievable and yet it seems to get a pass.
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vinrob, real and learn:
The main-problem is: Most action-scenes in "Skull" are implausible. That's why "Skull" is an ANTI-Indy-Movie. As we all know "Indiana Jones" means real stunts and beleievable action-scenes:
"Indy 1 - 3": Many-many real stunts, many-many believebale action-scenes, some over-the top-action-scenes in "Temple" but never as implausible as the "Skull"-actions-scenes.
"Skull": only a few real stunts. Most action-scenes are implausible. Nuke the fridge, you can't jump with a car on a rubber tree, Mutt is Tarzan, the three Waterfalls... and-and-and...
But... hey... let's see what the makers think about it: :-)
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The first thing Steven said was he didn't want this look like a slick action-adventure movie with digital backgrounds and effects or stunts that you couldn't do in reality," Kennedy says. "Part of an Indiana Jones story is that you want to believe that Indy - and consequently Harrison Ford - is doing his own stunts..."
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GL is talking about the great REAL Stunts in the "Bourne"-Movies and then...
"... but when you get to the next level, whether it's Tomb Raider or the Die Hard series, where you've got one guy with one pistol up against 50 guys with machine guns, or he jumps in a jet and starts chasing down a freeway, you say, I'm not sure I can really buy this. Mission Impossible's like that. They do things where you could not survive in the real world. In Indiana Jones, we stay just this side of it."
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You also produced the Bourne films. Did the success of that franchise influence your approach on Crystal Skull?
Marshall: There’s been so many films that have tried to copy the Indiana Jones franchise and most of them have failed, except for the Bourne films. I think the reason people like Bourne is that he’s a credible, believable hero, much like Indiana Jones. Jason Bourne does some amazing things but that’s because he’s been so well trained in martial arts and different forms of killing so it’s not totally unbelievable, like the Mission Impossible films.
We looked at the Bourne films, and we thought that maybe Indiana Jones could do some more dangerous things in this film, and still have that seem BELIEVEABLE. The key is you have to believe that Indiana Jones can do the things he does and not say ‘There’s no way he could’ve survived that situation!’, so you walk a fine line. What sets the Indiana Jones films apart is that you can’t just call them action movies. They’re supernatural mysteries with elements of action and comedy and, in this film, some science fiction.
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"I think Tom Cruise proved that people are getting bored with that kind of stuff," Lucas said when asked about over the top action sequences. "What they want to see is something different. And 'Indiana Jones,' if nothing else, is always different."
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Marshall about "Indy I - III":
"One of the things I enjoy about these movies is that they do recall the old cliffhanger serials of the thirties and forties," said Marshall. "We didn't have computer effects in those days, we couldn’t easily erase things and I think one of the unfortunate by-products of the computer age is that it makes filmmakers lazy. You become more creative when you have to hide ramps with a tree rather than erase it later as you can today."
"In Raiders, that's a real ball rolling behind him so Harrison really is in some danger running in front of that; these are real situations and that adds to the excitement and the creative energy on the set."
Marshall about a part 4 in 2003
We're not done with the script on Indy 4 but I think we're going to try and rely, like the first two movies, on realism and not try to do too many things with the computer.
Marshall:
When you start getting into computers you get fantastical situations like in The Matrix or movies like that. We don't want that, we want exciting heroism, we want seat-of-your-pants, skin-of-your-teeth action. We didn't have all the money in the world on the first films and we want to keep that B-Movie feel. We want to make Indy 4 like we made the first three."
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George Lucas / Empire Magazine
"A lot of people think Indiana Jones is so outrageous, it is believable. That was the thing what we did that James Bond didn't do - especially in that middle period where they weren't very interesting"
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"Indiana Jones redifined the classic American hero as someone who did not have a backbone made of steel and skin made of Teflon. The idea that our intrepid archaelogist could actually do himself bodily injury made him accessible."
My Indy-Collection.
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Wow. Never have I seen filmmakers say ALL the right things before contradicting themselves and doing ALL the wrong things. So the theory that they don’t understand why their own films work is not right.
Also: how arrogant is it to claim Bourne is a ripoff of Indy?! If that’s true then Indy is a ripoff of more than just the old serials it pays homage to. A certain double O agent comes to mind, for one. But there’s millions of reasons why that is a boneheaded thing to say.
Topped only by ranking on Cruise and Mission Impossible. I don’t even like that series much except for the first movie. But if Indy 4 was more like MI 1-5, it wouldn’t be such garbage.
Dumb!
The reason why is, the fridge scene had SO MANY implausible things happen:
1. Indy would never get into a fridge expecting to survive.
2. The fridge would never take flight, it would be obliterated.
3. When it landed on those rocks at that speed, he would not survive
4. Indy rises out of the fridge totally intact, when every bone is his body should have been broken.
The only implausible part of the raft scene in Doom, is going off that ledge. It wouldn't land perfectly
Indy would never get into a fridge expecting to survive
The fridge would never take flight, it would be obliterated
When it landed on those rocks, at that speed, he would not survive
Indy rises out of the fridge totally intact, when every bone in his body should have been broken
First, the impossible heat of a nuclear blast at that proximity should have vaporized the fridge, and Indy with it.share
Second, even if by some miracle the fridge survived the explosion, the heat would have roasted Indy to death.
Third, even if the fridge somehow didn't absorb the heat, the pressure wave would have killed Indy either directly or by asphyxiation.
Fourth, even if the fridge had an impossibly good pressure seal, as I recall it, the fridge was (unrealistically) tossed into the air, where it landed a considerable distance away. The G-forces of the landing would have pulped Indy like someone landing in an elevator runaway drop.
Fifth, even if Indy survived the landing, he would likely have received a fatal dose of radiation. He didn't because the fridge was lead-lined.
Sixth, Indy exited the fridge close enough to the blast to still receive a lesser dose of radiation, certainly enough to increase his odds of cancer by several orders of magnitude (although this would likely be a long-term effect).
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Seventh, fridges of that period locked closed. He would have suffocated. They used to have warning about it all the time.
What made the scene hard for me to take was Indy surviving the fridge flying through the air. If they had left the fridge lying in the rubble of the town, and maybe had some men in hazmat suits walking through the aftermath and hearing a tapping coming from this fridge,
Save it, why would I save it?
If I can suspend my disbelief that a guy's hat never comes off his head no matter what, a whip can hold a man's body weight while swinging, a mine cart can land perfectly on another track, a metal cage can come out of lava, a water tower can hold the amount of water that looks like the pacific ocean and flow right to the end of a pit through caverns and lavas pits, someone can vanish from a box to the outside of a train, someone can swim through petroleum with their eyes open, and walk through an underground of petroleum with a torch with no effect, I can swallow the fridge.
I've got some problems with Crystal Skull but the fridge wasn't one of them. Great scene. The first time in a while I felt that Indy was in actual danger, and I loved how surreal the town was. It felt like Indy was in his most absurd element yet - peaceful suburbia. I loved how it played out with no dramatic music whatsoever to add to the surreal empty feeling, and I loved the shot of Indy looking over at the mushroom cloud.
The scene right before the Nuke has him and the Russian soldier on the rocket sled. The hat was off. It was stuck to the plate behind him but it was off. So don't say the guys hat never comes off his head. Sheesh.
Im joking with you of course.
Maybe the rocket sled could've been a better way to escape the nuclear blast. Like have that same random sled there and have it accelerate just beyond the mountains to escape the blast wave/ blast itself.
I would have omitted the scene all together because it’s just too ridiculous. .
Action adventure movies have a lot of license to be ridiculous, over the top, etc. that's part of what makes them entertaining but there's a fine line where it can become TOO ridiculous. I get that it’s Indiana Jones and the franchise was never based on realism but the stunts, hair raising chases, nail biting escapes, etc. were still somewhat believable because there were still theoretically possible even if highly unlikely. But as far as I know it’s definitely impossible to survive a nuclear blast in a fridge. Even the best built heavy duty old time fridge would be reduced to rubble along with everything around it.
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Let's face it, there are quite a few moments in the films franchise with crazy (and often unbelievable) scenarios where Indy and his friends appear to be doomed (no pun intended) and make it out just fine and dandy. The fridge scene was probably no worse then the ones mentioned by other folks in earlier posts above. The difference to me is the huge gap in time since the the last films were released to The newer crystal skull. I think action films have changed quite a bit since the eighties and nineties (see Lethal weapon, die hard etc.) I also think we tend to be more nostalgic (and perhaps a bit more forgiving) to the movies we grew up watching and/ or remember fondly. That being said, I didn't think crystal skull lived up to its predecessors, and I personally found some scenes to be flat out ridiculous (Tarzan scene) and also thought it relied to much on cgi, and lacked good story telling much like Lucas' star wars sequels. The fridge scene could have worked much better in my opinion if he had flown into the air and the fridge had landed at an angle on a sand dune. That way it would have slid down the sandy hill, taking much of the impact out of the landing. Still a bit outrageous, but a bit more believable. Overall I actually didn't mind the fridge scene, it was everything after that scene that was the problem.
shareIt's a sci-fi adventure. Not a life survival guide. Get over it.
shareI would have had some dialog that implied they tried exactly what happened to disastrous results. Implying that Indy's encounter with the Holy Grail gave him extra juice. If you chose to do that, you make the character into a super hero.
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