Saw Departed first?


I saw the departed in theaters, and thought it rocked. Some buddies and I just watched Infernal affairs the other night. I thought it was a cool flick, what struck me the most was how many scenes Scorsese kept near-identical in the adaption. Anyway... did anyone else feel like seeing the Departed first made IA a little less good...

You would know all the plot twists, you know whats going to happen, etc. Also... I think Scorsese definitely spent more time on character and setting (Boston) development). I think I transfered a lot of these pre-conceptions and such to IA, since they really fast forward a lot of that. (IA does about 30 minutes of the Departed in 10 minutes).

Thoughts?

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I saw Departed in theatres first. and saw Infernal Affairs today.

I'm a huge Scorsese fan.. but got to say that IA > Departed.

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I saw the departed first and IA wasnt a little less good. In matter of fact it was beter in my opinion.
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Same.

Saw the Departed first, liked it very much. Watched IA knowing it wouldn't be better than the Departed, but in the end found IA much better than the Departed.

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Long thread, didn't get to read through all the posts. But I just throw in my two cents. I tend to like the originals better than the remake, even if it was a foreign language film. Eg. I liked "La Femme Nikita" better than "Point of No Return". If its the same story, same characters, just a different city or part of the world then I prefer the original.

If the remake is significant story such that putting similar characters in a totally new environment gives you a whole new dimension in the story, then I like the remake. Eg. Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress was an enjoyable period piece about 2 peasants inadvertently getting caught up in the wars in feudal Japan. But turn these two characters into droids and put them a galaxy far, far away.... Well, you know the rest.

So here, I think IA/Departed is closer to the first senario. Only difference is that Departed got an oscar but Point of No Return didn't. Whether it deserved it? Well I can't remember what it was up against, but since IS so much like IA, it probably did deserve the oscar. But some how Americanizing a foreign film takes something away from it. Like La Femme Nikita, its worth it to go through the original with subtitles than to have it retold in an American setting. Perhaps the exotic locales at least in part made the originals what they are.

Lastly, I think Departed had a bit of a 'copped out' ending where they have to make the bad guy dead by having Dignam kill off Sullivan. That was just to satisfy the western audience who is used to seeing justice served (at least on film). But this was never the case in AI-1, Andy Lau's character basically trimuphs at the end and blame was put on the second mole, end of story. Undercover work is dangerous, people get killed without being avenged. That's life. I think the audience could've lived with that in Departed.

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I saw THe Departed first, and while it was my favorite movie for a time, it simply paled in comparison when I finally got to watch IA two nights ago.

Scorceses is a great director, and quite a master storyteller, but I felt that he gave too much time for "oscar moments" for his actors. Which led the story to drag at some points.

Whereas IA was really more about the story, the twists and the events that shaped the characters. Plus, IA had Inspector Wong who, for me, steals the show most of the time. Same case in IA2. He was the best part of the movie. And he does it with so little lines and even just short scenes.

Plus, what's with the nearly frame-by-frame copy of some scenes in The Departed? It would have been ok if they gave proper credit to Infernal Affairs. But they rarely mentioned IA when they promoted The Departed.

Although there are things I like better in The Departed. Like the soundtrack, and I do prefer Leo DiCaprio's performance to Tony Leung's. I loved Leung in "In The Mood For Love", but he just didn't do it for me here in IA. On the other hand, I loved Andy Lau's performance when compared to Matt Damon's acting. Lau just kept you guessing the whole time. The perfect double agent.

Anyway, Infernal Affairs is the winner for me.

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While watching The Departed, I dozed off.
Why? Simply because that I've watched IA some 5 years ago.

I expect to find something new in The Departed, seeking some "magic touches" from Martin Scorsese. But, inevitably, what I found was disappointment.

Watched The Departed again, for the sake of research, and well, hated it.

IA is definitely better than The Departed.

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To my opinion...IA was much better, but the departed was still an excellent film. What i like about IA is that the other 2 movies from IA gives a background story from both of the characters....instead of Leonardo doin a year or more worth of police work while tony leung character does 10 years...plus the cinematography was much better

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If Infernal Affairs was exactly the same, but made in 2006 in the US, and The Departed was exactly the same, but made in 2002 in Hong Kong (Obviously with proper language changes), people would say the original (Departed) was better because it fully developed characters, and that the Americanized Infernal Affairs dropped that and was just action. But apparantly now because the one with less character development was foreign and made first, this logic is reversed and now the character development is considered unnecessary. Haha, you guys. I guess is the right word weeaboo, or not?

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The scenario you talked about is possible. People generally enjoy the originals more than the remakes. Only not a lot of people in the west or in US audience would necessarily know about IA. We all know it here since this IS the IA forum.

But like I said in my previous post, there's something lost when you Americanize a film. Some of the cool mannerisms of the actors, or filming techniques of the original foreign language film is usually lost. Again, I liked "La Femme Nikita" better than "Point of No Return" also.

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i saw departed first, loved it, saw infernal affairs, thought it was just as good, with a better ending, so infernal affairs beats departed a lil bit for me

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*beep* all this. They were both really good.
More importantly, anyone hear that Spielberg wants to remake OLDBOY with Will Smith. God damn, I used to like Spielberg, but that's gotta be the worst *beep* idea I've ever heard.

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From now on, any time someone says that IA is better than The Departed, I am going to shoot a kitten in the head in front of a bunch of children. And any time they say The Departed is better than IA, I will set a puppy on fire in a kindergarten schoolbus.

Really, can we let this one die? Please?

Of course, I do think that IA is a better movie, but that is only because I hate kittens.




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That movie can't fly with the 'realization' that the lead character experiences, at least, not with Will Smith playing the lead. That movie was, also, a focus of what 'caused' the culprit responsible for the Virginia Tech massacre. The American public may boycott it, or at least, protest vehemently. That was an f'd up ending. I felt for the lead.

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I agree entirely.

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Actually The Departed made IA better. Its modifications managed only to bring on plot holes. A solid 8/10 for IA, and I think in comparison a well deserved 4/10 for The Departed, as much as I like Scorsese. Hollywood should learn to make its own movies instead of copying Asian ones in a bad fashion.

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I saw The Departed before seeing Infernal Affairs, and halfway through IA, I knew that I liked it better. The Departed seemed so seedy and dirty in comparison.

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