Saw Departed first?


I saw the departed in theaters, and thought it rocked. Some buddies and I just watched Infernal affairs the other night. I thought it was a cool flick, what struck me the most was how many scenes Scorsese kept near-identical in the adaption. Anyway... did anyone else feel like seeing the Departed first made IA a little less good...

You would know all the plot twists, you know whats going to happen, etc. Also... I think Scorsese definitely spent more time on character and setting (Boston) development). I think I transfered a lot of these pre-conceptions and such to IA, since they really fast forward a lot of that. (IA does about 30 minutes of the Departed in 10 minutes).

Thoughts?

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iuno.. i think they were equally good. the good thing about IA is matt damons character.. so badass. and in departed, jack nic.'s character is more of a villain than the chinese one.

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To me happened the oposite. I saw infernal affairs before, and didn't liked the departed much.

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i saw the departed first and overall liked it better. but i liked the ending in infernal affairs better

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Both are good movies. But The Departed is like the orchestral version because of its bigger budget and reworked script. Infernal Affairs is like the acoustic version. I don't say that as an insult. It really does feel smaller in scope than The Departed, and likely had a more modest budget.

As for personal issues, I felt that Infernal Affairs hammered in the point with overtly emotional music that, well, made important scenes a little too obvious, like in a Douglas Sirk movie. I felt The Departed left a lot more interpretation to the viewer, and I respect that aspect of filmmaking.

Scorsese's approach was to make a moral tragedy, and it certainly weaved a tighter plot than Infernal Affairs, which, at the time of its release, was pushed as a star vehicle commercial entertainment, despite the Buddhist quotes. To me, Scorsese's approach makes The Departed feel like hard-hitting drama, while Alan Mak's vision of Infernal Affairs is simply fast-paced entertainment. One feels like a fantastic B-movie, while another feels almost Shakespearean.

Again, let me reiterate that I enjoyed both; but I can't help but feel that The Departed raised the emotional stakes even higher than Infernal Affairs. And hell, it was funny and witty at the same time, and maintained a more consistent sense of humor and cynicism than its Hong Kong counterpart.

Of course, I realize I am posting in the Infernal Affairs forum.

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I'd disagree, some of the main differences between the two versions were cultural As an example, the streak of Catholicism running through The Departed, contrasts with the quotations from Nirvana Sutra in the original. The quick, flashy style of the original is also a HK trademark, though wouldn't say this lessens any emotional impact the film has, and certainly doesn't make it "simply fast-paced entertainment". It's up to the viewer to bridge the gap in these differences by recognising the universal qualities of the story, and not letting it handicap any enjoyment of the piece.

I felt that the big set-pieces were bungled in The Departed, and this lessened it's impact both as a film and as entertainment. For instance, the moment 15 minutes into the original at the stakeout where Andy Lau attemps to inform his triad boss to call off the drug meeting was brilliantly taut, and ended with a tense stand-off as Sam and Wong each make sure the other knows he's playing a game with fatal consequences. In The Departed, the same set-piece is baffingly moved into the centre of the movie, and ends with Alec Baldwin in a comedy punch-up. The relationships between the moles and their bosses felt more in equilibrium in Infernal Affairs, whereas in The Departed Martin Sheen's character felt more like an afterthought of a sketch, as if the writers had forgotten to pay lip service to the idea of mirror opposites. His death was nowhere near as emotional or spectacular as Anthony Wong's sudden appearance on a taxi roof in the Hong Kong original. The overload of characters in the American version was well hidden by great casting, but otherwise, it just made the film feel bloated. Mark Wahlberg's character was funny as hell, but if you think about it didn't really serve the plot at any point until the end. For me, The Departed is summed up by Coppola's proclamation that Scorsese only does certain movies for the money.

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I saw IA first, and still think it is by far a superior movie. In my opinion, The Departed watered down the original script and substituted a lot of the cunning intelligent/counter-intelligence games with random violence to make it more appealing. It just seemed like The Departed was a dumbed down version of IA. The whole cat & mouse aspect of IA was much more intense, and in my opinion the interactions of the characters was more substantial in IA as well.\

If I'd never seen IA, or hadn't seen it first, I'd probably like The Departed a lot better. Instead, the only reason I would watch it over IA is if I was too lazy to read subtitles or just felt like being amused by Mark W's character.

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Hit the nail on the head! TD seemed very watered down compared to IA. The cat-n-mouse match between the two in IA was very intense. When Andy Lau's character pulls out the wireless card during the sting operation added to cunning of his character. You also sympathized more with the characters in IA because of their inner struggles shown in the movie.

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Saw The Departed before Infernal Affairs too, but i thougt Infernal Affairs was better....

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Honestly, the two movies are pretty much the same thing. You can make an argument about either one. "The Departed" definitely had Scorcese's flair written all over it, with gritty violence and vulgar dialogue. I thought it was much more humorous too, but at the same time, I feel like "Infernal Affairs" brought much more character depth to the two moles. You can't exactly discredit Scorcese for his work. Everyone that I've talked to in general, enjoyed "The Departed." It shows that foreign films CAN be remade into something good in Hollywood (unlike *cough*THEGRUDGE *cough*THERING *cough*MYSASSYGIRL).

Actually before I get any further, I just want to say that sh*tty Asian horror movies that have to do with the supernatural are only watchable in their Asian state. Once it hits the US, then you have all sorts of *beep* that make them even worse films. Disagree if you want, but I've never enjoyed a single one of those. And don't get me wrong, I loved "My Sassy Girl", but you really CANNOT remake in Hollywood. It's just not possible.

Anyway, back to my thoughts on the films. The American version again proves that DiCaprio really does have acting chops (where he deserves more merit for rather than his awful performance combined with accent in "Blood Diamond") and it just brings so much more closure to the story. On the flip side, the acting in "Infernal Affairs" is very subtle and the character pull is strong. You constantly get the feeling of paranoia between the moles, without them even saying so, which I thought was a really nice touch. The direction was pretty good too, from the setting to the original shot selections.

Ultimately, I figure the films are pretty much equal, but watch them again and see for yourself.

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Actually I saw 'The Departed' first and didn't like it so much. 'Infernal Affairs' on the other hand rocked!

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The Departed was nothing other than a run of the mill police drama , with some pretty bad performances as well as a couple good ones.

Infernal Affairs on the other hand was what I would call a 'cool flick', not brilliant or anything, but it had good action, a nice style and all the actors remained pretty well in their roles.

Last film seen: Infernal Affairs 7/10

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