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What next? Glorifying the SS + the Nazis?


The Samurai hated the changes because they would no longer be the elite before whom everyone else cowered. They HATED the idea of equality.

Why glorify oppressors and assassins?

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This is interesting, the way of the westerners is by n means perfect but then neither is the way of the Samurai. Judging from this movie, they treat their women as 2nd class citizens, defeat is equal to shame and no sexual freedoms. I could be wrong all of these accounts, I am litterally going by the movie, for all I know the reality of it may not have been so. I don't know how many other accounts there are.

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I'm going to use this story for a TOOC (Text of Own Choosing) for English soon, studying globalisation, postmodernism, poststructuralism, colonialism and post-colonialism. This film is fantastic because it depicts the attack from the global onto the local.

I haven't seen the film in a few years, but I'm going to watch it again soon for quotes/techniques etc.
Maybe once I've written the essay I'll get back to you and argue/agree with you on your comment.

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You sir, are without honor. Americagaijiin!

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The samurai didn't hate the changes because of that. They hated it because the loss of customs and their ancient culture. The whole movie was about honor and that is what they are glorifying. That's why at the end, the progress in Japan continuous and the samurai are finished, but the emperor recognize them as heroes and knows that they (the japanese) shouldn't forget their culture.

Nothing about being against the idea of equality.

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There is a lot about the Japanese warrior code to like though. That doesn`t mean it wasn`t abused, like everything is including western "democracy". But philosophically it was based on Confucius which is about as refined as eastern thinking gets, and not some oligarchical scheme to oppress peasants. That was happening before the Samurai and it has happened after they disappeared.
It even happens in the west although it takes different forms. What right do you have to moralize as long as western cities are full of homeless while many live in luxury right next to them and when western governments openly say that unemployment is good because it keeps wages down?
The hypocrisy is all on your side I`m afraid.

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Nowhere did the OP suggest that anyone else was any better than the samurai. Nor was the warrior code itself criticized. You're using a strawman argument. What's being criticized is the glorification of a group of people who don't deserve it.

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I am very impressed at how elegantly you avoided the hypocrisy I was commenting on then. PC spasms because of evil Japanese feudalism while entirely missing the fact that all western power comes from exactly the same background, and has barely change methods at all since the Middle Ages.
Something in the Bible about removing the beam from your own eye I think. Nothing strawman about this. It`s perfectly simple.

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Well, go to National Geographic...they be making monies off of Hitler for years?

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Well, the Romans are frequently glorified. As are the Spartans. And the vikings. The Mongols. Pirates, as well. Some day I am sure the nazies will be glorified again, but not until well after the last survivors are long gone. And you know, there's nothing really wrong with it. Because it is only a small part of them that is glorified, the parts which reflect qualities we aspire to. When the nazies will be glorified in the same manner -- and I do see that as inevitable -- it will be for their military discipline, Prussian elegance and such-like. Not for the persecutions and the murders.

We can find reasons to glorify just about anyone, so long as there is sufficient distance between their atrocities and ourselves. The distance between the Holocaust and present day is still a mite too short to be conveniently swept under the rug. But it is inevitable that the impact felt by recent events will gradually lessen with time.

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