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What next? Glorifying the SS + the Nazis?


The Samurai hated the changes because they would no longer be the elite before whom everyone else cowered. They HATED the idea of equality.

Why glorify oppressors and assassins?

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Yeah because the imperial side LOVED equality. They were both filled with ***holes.

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Where did the OP claim the imperial advisors were the good guys? The complaint is that the samurai weren't the good guys either, while the movie does its best to present them as such.

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No I think you missed the point.

The theme of this movie is resistance to cultural genocide. 2 generations after the events in the movie the Samurai were once again a major influence in Japanese culture and in creating the circumstances that brought Japan into conflict with the Democratic powers of the Western World.

Look at the time that this movie was made. What culture was trying to resist Western domination in 2003? The theme of this movie is that no matter how you try to suppress a culture, that culture will find it's own heroes, it's own interpretation of events and in the future, that interpretation will be used to inspire and motivate its people. The Samurai of the 1940's would draw inspiration from a tale such as this, even though they were a perversion of the standards it tries to portray.

In 50 years time, how will the contemporary Muslims view the events of a post 9/11 Middle East?

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When Nazis are mentioned the argument is considered over. It appears your argument is over before it began. Assassins are present in the proposed replacements. The Samurai didn't oppress any more than any other culture.

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Plenty of films glorifying the US army, glorifying samurais being "wrong" comes way down the list.

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you don't get it do you? The sword represented a way of life for thousands of years, a way of courage and bravery and skill. It is a symbol of a true warrior, being able to become a master of close melee combat. It represented a true challenge of man hood , top physical conditioning and basically a way of life.

The technological changes of weaponry and gunpowder signified an easy way of living in large part. Adapt and take the easy way out , after thousands of years of sword combat and different morale set of beliefs this gunpowder looked to change all that. And guess what? Real warriors don't want to hide behind a gun, its not much of a challenge to pull a trigger and it doesn't represent much challenge. In a nutshell thats what giving up the sword signifies, a change, and well samurai where happy, because respected as warriors and living the life they were accustomed to, and I frankly, don't blame them.

I know I'm not very clear this explanation, but I'm gonna sit here and argue my point for an hour , not knowing who's even gonna bother to look at this. Take it or leave it, this is my 3 minute ramble.

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Problem with your theory is that all samurais used guns immediately when they become available to Japanese. Not to mention that Katana was never a primary weapon in war, and it become important only in 1800's when samurais started to write poetry and stories about their "warrior class" bravery...

Katana was a back up weapon if enemy got too close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9A_g6AjqMw





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Someone didn't play Shogun 2 Total War!!!

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See, this is what happens when people rely on Hollywood to teach them history. Why don't you read some actual books about the samurai? Or hell, even play the Shogun Total War games, which are more historically accurate than this film was (I mean I love the film but I just see it as a film, as fiction, not as my teacher). In reality, the samurai started using guns as early as the mid-1500s during the Sengoku period after the Portuguese introduced them to Japan. And in the rebellion that this movie is actually based on, the Boshin War of 1868-69, the samurai used guns.

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Ahah the portuguese were badasses :) and I'm portuguese. Unfortunately, we brought guns and also gaming cards (introducing beting and gaming) to the Japanese culture.
Well we had good intentions, as we were merchants trying to conquer markets around the world.

I'm reading currently the 3 books about Myamoto Musashi, a great samurai on the 1600's. It still is a novell with some fantasy but I get the same emotions and fasciantion from their way of life, as seeing this movie. Maybe they weren't as different as told in this stories. I trully like their way of living in persuing perfection on everything they do, we don't get that nowadays, just laziness all aroud.

Just my 2 thoutghts on the matter, hope no one gets offended :)

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Come off it. Comparing samurai to Nazis is ridiculous. The samurai existed in Japan for almost 1,000 years and they were no more fascistic then European feudal lords. Maybe you simply don't like films that glorify non-white culture? Did you have the same concerns for Ridley Scott Kingdom of Heaven or Gladiator? Why do I doubt it. I suggest you explore your own feelings about non-western cultures and people who are white.

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it's all for entertainment anyways, are american soldiers really action heroes? I mean to other countries, think about that.

Enough is enough! I have had it with these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday thru Friday plane!

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