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films that equate infidelity with romance


I find it disturbing to see a theme pop up in some of the films that most people think are the most romantic. How many times will we see a woman cheat on her spouse or current boyfriend and have the film portray it as a good (or at least understandable) thing? I find myself instantly feeling sorry for the wronged party and developing a dislike for the character doing the cheating. The English Patient was the latest film I've seen that fits this mold (I don't know why I avoided seeing this for so long, perhaps Seinfeld spoiled it for me). Some other examples:

Love Affair/An Affair to Remember (both main characters cheat on their partners)
Sleepless in Seattle ("virtual" cheating)
The Notebook (she cheats on her fiance on the eve of her wedding)
Titanic
Casablanca
Bridges of Madison County
Brief Encounter
From Here to Eternity
Philadelphia Story
Postman always rings twice

etc...

If a man cheats, he's scum and has to pay (Fatal Attraction/Eyes Wide Shut) but if a woman cheats, either her partner is abusive (Titanic/From Here to Eternity) or boring (Sleepless in Seattle/Affair to Remember/Philadelphia Story). In most cases, she ends up with her "true love". Isn't it romantic?

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It appears no one has mentioned the importance of the war as an influence on one's moral compass. As westerners it is easy to miss this, and even during the war the US especially was spared from most of the ugliness that WWII wrought on Europe and North Africa. Having both sets of my grandparents survive through the war with their respective families was no small feat. It was a "different time".

I know if I was in a position where the threat of danger and death was part of my every day, I might not worry to much about keeping up appearances. Life is especially fleeting during time of war, and it is awfully hard for me to have any negative feelings about Katharine engaging in her affair.

I did not see this film as an "infidelity = romance" sort of thing. That would be like calling Kill Bill a chick flick because the film's top billed stars are all female.

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One's morals should not be obtained from a novel or a book. That is taught from childhood on. But sometimes people do marry the wrong person, in fact, very often it happens..see the divorce rate...not counting the people in loveless, nonsexual marriage. It happens very often and statistics show that in tense and stressful times two people may be thrust together and temptation happens. A war is a perfect example of that kind of stress.

I had an affair with someone married who's wife lied to him about her career as a flight attendant she would do groundwork if he married her. They had broken up many times before marriage for that one reason, she neglected him. We met by chance at a time I was going through multiple back surgeries through a mutual friend and felt an instant attraction. We tried to stay apart living about 100 miles apart, but the more unhappy he was the more he contacted me. When she started flying internationally and was gone even more, that drove him to me and I loved him despite the circumstances. He was such a selfless man who treated me like a princess, not the monetary way, but with how he cared for me. Making me breakfast in bed while I slept and watching over me, and I took excellent care of him and his tender feelings.

It was a very emotional time and we could have written a book about it. He gave her an ultimatum, quit flying or he was leaving, she refused after making him that promise before marriage and not consulting him about her career choices. He left her and she went ballistic being the brat that she was (I met and talked with her at length and she blamed him).

We didn't make it due to her constant calling and interfering for 18 months and she agreed to stop flying and have children (he was 40 already, I was 38). I couldn't have children because of my spine issues so he left me after counseling when a counselor told him we couldn't adopt an older child....she was so wrong. She just didn't like that he had been married so she tried to break us up. His wife did not take him back for several more years as a punishment, they never had kids, and he went on to cheat more on her after they did get back together. He just never really loved anyone else enough to leave her again and we lived farther apart then.

So you see, sometimes things happen in life...it isn't all black and white. I have never loved another man or even met one like him since, he was irreplaceable. I knew several people that happened to and they ended up together for decades. They married too young to begin with. They met a soul mate finally and it is romantic compared with the lust one confuses for love when young.

Movies are reflections sometimes of imperfections in us. You can not judge the quality of a movie based on your morals or don't go see it to begin with. You can read the reviews prior, but to come on here and put down a movie because it offends you is ludicrous. Judge the movie on it's merits and this one is a well made, almost perfectly acted movie and I doubt many of us will be in that situation...ever.



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So you see, sometimes things happen in life...it isn't all black and white


Oh, things just happened? Then it's all okay!

Not like the two of you actually made choices.. a bunch of things happened.
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One man's wife is another man's mistress.

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equate infidelity with romance

Unrequited love is always easier to write about than love between a man and his wife. We've all walked down that road, some find their soul mates, others settle and we're always left wondering 'what if'.

The reason why infidelity equals romance in fiction is because it leads to a tragedy between two parties and sometimes a third. And tragedy sells.

Some will feel for the husband/wife that is being cheated upon and others would feel more for their other liaisons. There's always something we identify with the characters in a well told story.

One man's wife is another man's mistress.

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I agree with you that tragic romances sell but it doesn't have to be necessarily with infidelity.

Maybe what sells is a dangerous or forbidden love.
Like Romeo and Juliet or Titanic.


I loved the English Patient I wanted to see Almasi and Katherine ending up together because we see how much they loved each other.

I made a post on the titanic board on why we like so much this tragic romances.

Someone said its because it makes us appreciate more what we have but I also think that this romances for some reason are portrayed as something more intense or Passionate.
They make us feel that really love each other and would do anything for the other one like:

how here Almasi tried his best to save Katherine and be with her, how in titanic Jack sacrificed himself to save rose , in the notebook Noah reads his diary to Ali so he could be happy with her one last time in moulin Rouge how Satine lied to save Christian but still comes back for her how Romeo and Juliet killed themselves because they couldn't see the world without each other


All this movies stories sell us a stronger and deeper love than romances with a happy ending.


All these stories also are more exctiting because we their jurney of what they have to do to be with the one they love.


So girls admit it we are suckers of tragic and very melodramatic romances.


Edit: I still support Katherine and Almasi and still believe they loved each other very much but I can understand the OP's point of view and see where he or she comes from.

It's really strange how Hollywood directors most of the times but infidelity in a very different light for men and woman.

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"Same Time, Next Year" is another one...

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Don't forget Lady Chatterley's Lover-- all three versions of it... A man cheating on his crippled wife with her employer would be totally unacceptable...yet we root for Connie when she does it..

A boy's best friend is his mother.
- Psycho (1960)

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No,it is the same degree of moral depravity.
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Eh... I don't think the affair with Almasy and Katherine is portrayed in a good light. For one thing it results more or less in both their untimely deaths, and it also ruined them. Almasy became the living embodiment of the quality he despised most 'ownership'... he became so obsessed with Katherine that he believed he alone had a right to her, as evident in the scene where he confronts her after she's broken things off and says "I want the things which are mine". As a viewer, I initially was very intrigued/respected his character, but his torrid affair with Katherine made me dislike him, and his possessiveness of her. I didn't feel particularly sorry for the husband after finishing the film, the reason being his murder/suicide deal... which I thought was horrendous. Why not just confront Katherine? Divorce her instead of trying to kill her. But that's the beauty of the film and its characters; they are all deeply flawed.

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Yes, very good analysis. Nice to see SOMEONE who can delineate the nuances of a film like this.

I think many try to over-think this movie. For me, it's first and foremost just a TRAGIC love story. Yes, the love is illicit, and yes, this illicitness takes a terrible toll. By this I do not mean however that "Fate" or whatever exacts the toll, but that the transgression ends up, in quite believable, logical, and natural ways, in harming and even destroying so many. What's interesting for me is that Almasy was at first a very insular man, brooding and aloof -- quite different from Clifton (and also quite different from Katherine). I also don't agree with many posters who said things like, "They were clearly meant for each other" or "They were clearly right for each other." Like many affairs, it just happened -- an unfulfilled woman attracted to an intense man who gradually changes and reveals the beating heart that is within his cold exterior.

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Falling in Love with Meryl Streep and DeNiro is beautiful and portrays more realistic circumstances of an actual affaire: two married (not unhappily)strangers who meet in the train. The outlook or outcome of the movie is very interesting.. they both make courageous and risky decisionsfor the sake of being true to themselves and their feelings... how falling in love with someone changes everything... but does not have a happily ever after finale on purpose... I think it is a grown-up movie about relationships and places love over conventional morality. I think the movie's title is clever.

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The Great Gatsby.

I just saw this for the first time, and found the story pretty despicable.


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"Gatsby" is another story where in the end, the "grand love affair" is revealed to be based on illusions, fantasies, or self-delusion. Once all is revealed and the bodies are buried, the whole non-affair seems creepy in retrospect. I think the whole book is about the power of illusions.

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