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films that equate infidelity with romance


I find it disturbing to see a theme pop up in some of the films that most people think are the most romantic. How many times will we see a woman cheat on her spouse or current boyfriend and have the film portray it as a good (or at least understandable) thing? I find myself instantly feeling sorry for the wronged party and developing a dislike for the character doing the cheating. The English Patient was the latest film I've seen that fits this mold (I don't know why I avoided seeing this for so long, perhaps Seinfeld spoiled it for me). Some other examples:

Love Affair/An Affair to Remember (both main characters cheat on their partners)
Sleepless in Seattle ("virtual" cheating)
The Notebook (she cheats on her fiance on the eve of her wedding)
Titanic
Casablanca
Bridges of Madison County
Brief Encounter
From Here to Eternity
Philadelphia Story
Postman always rings twice

etc...

If a man cheats, he's scum and has to pay (Fatal Attraction/Eyes Wide Shut) but if a woman cheats, either her partner is abusive (Titanic/From Here to Eternity) or boring (Sleepless in Seattle/Affair to Remember/Philadelphia Story). In most cases, she ends up with her "true love". Isn't it romantic?

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TettiTatti,

You're my friend for life.

Why is it that we can have an 'ignore' button, but we can't have a 'friend for life' button.

I abhore this movie for so many reasons, but this is one of them.

It just makes me want to vomit that an affair is considered 'romance'.

By way of an example of a well made movie involving infidelity - the Painted Veil. This is a great movie, purely because it shows an 'understanding infidelity' (the husband wasn't much of a husband and the wife sought out some thrills else-where) but doesn't try to say 'it's all ok, she was just in need of some companionship, and truly - it was love'. They were screwing... nothing else... and he was a heel! This resulted in a turn of events that caused the husband and wife to fall in love! I love this movie

SpiltPersonality

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Got another one for you TettiTatti:

"the Phantom of the Opera"

Let's break this down to its component parts:

We have a guy who sees a singer. He loves her voice. Loves her beauty. Kidnaps her. Then because he sees that she doesn't love him in return lets her go... and we're supposed to feel sorry for him?

And this only works because it has beautiful music in it. So, it's alright to kidnap and rape, so long as the music is good?

GRR - I HATE that show!

SpiltPersonality

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I think it's a good movie.

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I personally don't think it's so much the film that equates infidelity with "romance" but the genre itself was created in such a way that it doesn't ignore infidelity if that makes sense? I feel like it probably doesn't so I'll try to explain it further.

I recently just read the novel and watched the film (a few years behind, I know) and this same thing often bothers me until I remember that the genre and the films aren't necessarily meant to moralize infidelity as right or wrong - it's merely a story being presented.

Romance itself has nothing to do with fidelity - that's the focus of love, in my opinion. Romance is about passion, a strong yet sometimes short-lived fascination or attachment to something or someone. It's the pleasure associated with the feeling of being in - or at least believing you're in - love, no matter how deep or superficial, no matter how long it lasts or how quickly fades. I think there's a difference between "romance" films and "love stories".

I think that Katherine loved both her husband and the Count, but in different ways. She had more passion for the Count than her husband, but I believe on his part that he may have actually loved her considering how insular his life was and how few attachments he formed, especially of the romantic kind. I mean, passion and lust are good, but they wouldn't lead a man to walk days across the desert, to break out of a military jail, or to betray his country. I think as in any good romantic film, there are several layers and several different kinds of love.

He took me to his castle made of stars. . .and I followed without question

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Sometimes you find your true love years late. Sometimes you find them even while married to someone else. Yes she was married, but her love for her husband was not as deep, or fulfilling as with the Count. Katherine, I believe, knew Geoffrey for many years before getting married. Like anyone, sometimes when younger do not know any better so when he asked, she married him. Not to say she didn't love him....

I see the love between Katherine and the Count's as one that was destined, although tragic. To have met someone whom you just click with, even only after knowing them for a few hours. Someone who you share so much with. I never saw the closeness between her and Geoffrey....more a sense of obligation. But with her and the Count....WOW!!!!





He who angers you conquers you.

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colin firth (k's husband) actually does say that they've known each other since she was three and 'were more like brother and sister before they became man and wife"



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I think the point is that romance knows no conceivable bounds, yes?

I mean... isn't that the whole premise of passion, love, and/or sex?

Art of this sort taps the raw, visceral eroticism that humans are distinctly capable of.

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In the scene before Jeffrey discover the love affair, he says that he was mostly always there with his shoulder for her to cry on whenever she had a breakup with other men. Most likely she had shafted him in the friend zone and then eventually settled for him since they were close.


The OP should watch Blood Simple.

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I have watched Blood Simple. One of my favorites. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a romance, though.

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Infidelity IS romantic! I made the mistake of marrying my lover and it destroyed the relationship. Then I had another affair. Married that one as well. 3 divorces later I am convinced that my place in the universe is to be the idealised 'other woman'. My romances have been memorable.

Scotland Forever

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It's hard for me to look at movies with affairs without being annoyed with the adulterer.I think I just apply to much of a real world context to it.
















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Seems to me the common thread that runs through many of these stories is that someone is in a passionless, lifeless, unfulfilling marriage (or relationship) and they end up finding passion somewhere else. You can be judgmental about it, that's your right. I prefer to simply accept it as a fact of life. It happens. It's part of the human condition.

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