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Wait! THAT WAS RAPE? Nah, sorry, but it wasn't.

posted 17 years ago by trompos
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I don't really blame the fictional character for feeling she was raped, I blame the bad writers for making the transition from ecstasy to screams of violation so abrupt.

The couple goes upstairs to have sex. The guy pulls the girl's panties down to the sounds of her wanting moans. They begin to have actual intercourse with no problem, until the question of a condom comes to light. The guy continues to get his groove on (wrong wrong wrong on his part) the girl screams for him to get a condom and suddenly it's rape. Not only is this girl really disturbed, but the guy is a moron. DUDE THE CHICK WANTS YOU, stop get a rubber slip it on and you're gravy. No, instead the writers made the guy a moron who goes deaf when he has sex, and the girl an over-reactor who goes from wanting it to calling it rape because the guy goes raw dogs. If the movie wanted to be powerful and show a rape scene, SHOW A RAPE SCENE. This is an insult to women who have actually been raped.

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[–] anxiety attack 16 years ago

Agreed.

Damn!! My posts attract so many nutty B-A-S-T-A-R-D-S!

[–] raysurxx 16 years ago

NO it wasn't rape. She wanted it, but he should have stopped tho when she told him to.

[–] callernumber666 16 years ago

The guy pulls the girl's panties down to the sounds of her wanting moans

Actually he pulled her panties down to the sound of her asking him to put on a condom!

I am sure this has been said already, but I am watching this movie right now, and she asks him to stop and put on a condom long before he actually penetrates her...

In saying that, the second she said stop, whether it was when they first got on the bed or right before climax.. he should have stopped.. what if she was saying stop because she was in pain, or feeling sick.. or had suddenly sobered up enough to realise that she didnt want to do this...

while yes it is unfortunate that the guy is now going to have blue balls... he should have stopped and gone for a wank.. call her a tease or whatever, learn your lesson and dont try screwing her again...

yes it is a tricky subject, yes there are women out there who ruin it for the rest of us by teasing guys and leading them on, or crying fowl when they have no reason... However, dont be dumb... do you want to risk a rape charge? Do you want to be on the sex offenders list? When she says stop STOP!!! call her a bitch whatever... if you actually care for the girl I'm sure you will respect her wishes, if you dont then just forget her.. but dont be a dick and keep going becuase it is "too late now"...

It's never too late....

this is a classic case of date rape.... a majority of rape is committed by someone you know.. not the boogeyman... so guys.. when in doubt.. no matter how small.. just dont do it!!

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[–] bryanac625 16 years ago

I definitely believe this was rape because mutual consent stopped when she asked him to stop- he refused to do so, regardless of being drunk or what clothes came off. He penetrated her without a condom she asked him to put on.

Had he just taken a moment to put a condom on, they would have continued the sex and the whole thing would not have been an issue.

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[–] Butterfly041532 16 years ago

She went up to the room, she laid down on the bed and maybe at that time she wanted to have sex but she wanted to use a condom, I don't blame her.

However, the second a woman is pushing you to get off of her and screaming at the top of her lungs to let her up tells you right there that she is not wanting this anymore, those are not the screams of a woman enjoying herself and your refusal to let her up is you basically pinning her down against her will which equals rape. Drunk or not, you know when you are holding someone down and refusing to let them up. Saying this wasn't rape because she wanted it originally is like saying that when a stranger offers a child candy and the kid gets taken is the child's fault because the child wanted the candy and is not kidnapping. Sounds absurd, right?

Sex is not the only factor in determining rape. A woman can be raped with objects instead of actual penetration which isn't technically sex but it IS an invasion. The main factor is whether or not victim was held against their own will. It seems that point is being missed, she was being held down to the bed against her will.

Someone before mentioned that even though the rape victim is being told she's lying, the evidence will prove she's not and then they compared this to a murder suspect and the evidence you would find at a murder seen to prove innocence or guilt. If the rape was extremely violent and an object was used other than a penis then their might be some visible evidence found in the exam like trauma to the victims vagina. In this example, he wasn't pushing in to her so hard that it would cause trauma that normal consensual sex wouldn't cause. It would be highly difficult to prove that this girl is not lying because all the guy has to say is, "she consented to it." Sometimes rape is just hard to prove no matter how many episodes of Law and Order: SVU that you watch. Not only does the victim have to remember this horrible mental trauma this causes in her life but she gets put through even more hell being accused of being a liar. Therefore many rapes go unreported.

To the men who think rape is ridiculous and think no really means yes, I'll meet you any where you want and I'll bring some KY and a wood plunger handle and let you see how it feels to be penetrated against your will. As you said before, you met me so clearly you wanted it and it's your own fault.

[–] bryanac625 16 years ago

Butterfly,
I don't know if this helps but take heart that most of the people here, at least I think so without having read all of the posts, have the sense enough to realize that rape took place here. Honestly, I can't for the life of me understand how someone could conclude this was anything BUT rape. It's never hard to watch a sex scene, but this wasn't sex... just violation, and very disturbing to watch.

I wish I could say this is just a discussion on a message board, but I realize rape can be- and has been- a reality for any woman. I realize the guy who started this discussion could be anywhere. I wish you didn't have to worry about mindsets like his. All I can say is that he can say whatever he wants, but it's totally obvious he doesn't love Jesus. Anybody with the kind of hateful spirit this guy has doesn't know a thing about the love of Christ. I don't care what he says.

[–] Nightstar_INC 15 years ago

The OP is mental. And he calls himself a Christian. He should be excommunicated.

When mutual consent goes away (one person says no), then any further actions to force-ably initiate any sexual contact is considered rape and yes there are gray areas as well.

A lot of women will abuse the fact that they are believed when they really are lying just to get what they want and that makes other cases less credible. But for those who are honest, the sex can be consensual at first, but anytime it's decided by one person to stop, then it must stop, even between married couples. Yes, in a married couple, one person can still rape their significant other if their other says no and the person won't stop.

The OP just is trying to force Christianity by masking his anger at extra-marital sex and the mistake they ended up having because of it.

[–] Delirium-Tremens 16 years ago

When a woman tells you to stop, you stop. Anything else is rape. If the scene shows a woman having rough sex but not attepmting to verbally or physically stop the man, it isn't rape. As a man, I know when the woman wants me to stop...it's pretty obvious. In this scene, she wants him to stop...he doesn't, so it's rape.

[–] korn_kid_mike 15 years ago

it was rape, she said get a condom wich he did not and for that fact when he put it in she was saying no, get a condom and he chose to go on so she kept saying no get off wich he did not, so yeah that makes it a rape.

[–] bigstabby 15 years ago

Pay closer attention before this scene. It was clearly date-rape. Happens alot.

[–] Lisaluv1 15 years ago

I dont feel need to comment to OP since his statement was initially made over a year or more ago. But after reading several of his statements ~ sadly I kind of understand what he is coming from. It's not like the girl was being pushed into sex...she actually was going foward with it (as the guy was) but backed off when she realized he was not willing to protect her (i.e. condom).

Oddly ~ guys perhaps could have argued the situation with the fact that she could have protected herself with birth control, etc. Being female ~ I perhaps would be with everyone else and saying that OP is an A**hole ... but after reading some of his post ... can see where he is coming from. I had issues with my friends whom were almost raped and made similiar comments to them.

We (as women) could easily blame the guys but sure there have been situations (not shown in this specific movie) where women were doing wrong themselves. One example I could find from this movie alone is fact that she should have not allowed him to go too far with her (sexually). It's like we (as women) are telling guys ~ 'we want you to a certain point...but even if we lay in bed with you ~ we may not want to actually LAY with you'!

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[–] objectcode 15 years ago

It's been years since I have seen this movie, and even I know she just wanted him to use a condom. He pretty much ignored her.

[–] MiaKirshnerFan 15 years ago

Fact: John Singleton called the scene a rape scene.

[–] gabby_bm 15 years ago

Fact: The minute he/she says "no", "stop", or any other halting words, it is rape if he/she continues.

I used to really like to freak women out who said "no" or "stop" and I would jump up and away about 10 feet from her in an instant. We would then talk about how it wasn't a game about pushing and breaking her will, but mutual consent. I was not going to play that game of "no (giggle)". My kids will be taught the same thing.

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