I always thought that Arnold agreeing to not harm any cops at Cyberdyne during the shootout keeps this movie from being truly great like the original "Terminator." It dumbs the movie down to "A-Team" level of early-'80s TV action. It's also very unrealistic blasting away with a minigun and grenade launcher without harming anyone, but their patrol cars.
shareJesus Christ, YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!!! What's with all the T2 HATE lately!??!
I thought Sarah not killing the psychiatrist from T1 at the beginning ruined it.
shareWith him being a robot with inhuman aim, I was able to suspend disbelief. From a story standpoint, it also needs to happen. Arnie was the hero this time around and if he killed a bunch of innocent cops, it'd be hard to keep rooting for him.
share... he was deliberately trying to miss.
One of the worst threads of all time.
Agreed!
maybe you need to go rewatch The Matrix to get off watching lots of innocent cops get gunned down
shareNo it doesn't harm the movie, it makes perfect sense for exactly the reasons we have seen in the movie. It would make no sense from John Connor's perspective to just let the T-800 kill everyone because it conflicts with John's principles and character.
This was done so we see who he really is.
Come back when you understand movies.
"It would make no sense from John Connor's perspective to just let the T-800 kill everyone because it conflicts with John's principles and character."
It makes no sense for 10-year-old John Connor to have any say in the matter at all, and it establishes adult John Connor as an idiot for sending a Terminator on a saving-humanity mission and programming it to take orders from a little shithead kid. What could possibly go wrong?
Except it does, because as we all learned in the movie, the T-800 was programmed to listen to John's every command... well except you, you didn't pay attention it seems.
share"Except it does"
No, it doesn't. All 10-year-olds are inherently idiots; their brains aren't even close to being fully developed yet (which doesn't happen until about the age of 25). Putting a 10-year-old in charge of a killing machine on a mission so critical that if it fails, humanity will be wiped out, is inherently stupid. It worked out okay in the story because the script writer wanted it to, just like anything, no matter how stupid, can work out okay in a movie if that's what the script writer wants (like playing Russian roulette for example), but that in no way negates its stupidity.
"because as we all learned in the movie, the T-800 was programmed to listen to John's every command"
Your begging-the-question fallacy is dismissed.
"well except you, you didn't pay attention it seems."
Your non sequitur is dismissed.
Why don't you take a shortcut and just say "whatever you say is dismissed, because ignorance is bliss!" ?
Everything I said is a fact that everyone who ever watched the movie knows. You are just too immature to take a step back and acknowledge your mistake, and that is why I put you on my ignore list right away, because there is no point wasting any more time on you. Bye now.
"Why don't you take a shortcut and just say "whatever you say is dismissed, because ignorance is bliss!" ?"
Anything that's a fallacy or otherwise logically invalid can legitimately be dismissed out of hand.
"Everything I said is a fact that everyone who ever watched the movie knows. You are just too immature to take a step back and acknowledge your mistake"
Your non sequitur is dismissed, and since you have no arguments, your tacit concession is noted.
"and that is why I put you on my ignore list right away, because there is no point wasting any more time on you.""
Your resignation is accepted.
Except he's right and you are wrong.
The T-800 literally said one of his orders are to listen to John Connor.
"Except he's right and you are wrong."
Your mere assertion is dismissed.
"The T-800 literally said one of his orders are to listen to John Connor."
Thank you, Captain Obvious, but that's not a point of contention.
didn't read, phaggot
shareYour tacit concession is noted, clodpate.
shareyawn....
shareRemember when you said...
"Except he's right and you are wrong. The T-800 literally said one of his orders are to listen to John Connor."
... after I'd already said...
"it establishes adult John Connor as an idiot for sending a Terminator on a saving-humanity mission and programming it to take orders from a little shithead kid."
Yeah, that established you as a garden variety idiot. It's like if someone said, "Two plus two equals four," and you came along and said, "Except you are wrong. Two plus two equals four."
Also, your tacit concession remains noted, dolt.
didn't read, you tried and you failed as others have pointed out,
share"didn't read"
Your third concession is noted, dipshit.
"you tried and you failed as others have pointed out,"
Since your asinine assertion doesn't logically follow from anything in this thread, nor in reality at all for that matter, it's a non sequitur, and as such, consider it dismissed out of hand. Also, since you're an established idiot who doesn't know how to argue or read properly, you're utterly worthless, and therefore you're not allowed to clutter up my inbox anymore. You're now on ignore.
yawn didn't read..i love how agitated you are you write paragraph after paragraph and it's not getting read lol
shareJohn Connor" The cops have always given me a hard time. And if we fail, none of this will matter anyhow. Kill every single cop you see."
sharebut he was programmed to obey John ?
shareWhy would he kill a bunch of cops? The Terminator character in the sequel is supposed to be the good guy combating against the evil even more advanced T-1000. So if he killed a human cop he'd be no better than T-1000.
What the hell kind of message is that to the audience? Not a good one. Especially considering that he made a promise to Conner that he wouldn't kill any humans period.
Those cops were just doing their jobs to protect the city so there was no reason to kill them off. Terminator was advanced enough to shoot at the cop cars to scare those people away long enough for them to escape which is what he did. It made perfect sense for the story.
*Why would he kill a bunch of cops?
Because they were shooting and could have killed John Connor
*The Terminator character in the sequel is supposed to be the good guy combating against the evil even more advanced T-1000.
He's supposed to protect John Connor. That is his mission, nothing more, nothing less.
*So if he killed a human cop he'd be no better than T-1000
Who says he's supposed to be?
*What the hell kind of message is that to the audience? Not a good one.
That he's programmed to protect John Connor.
* Especially considering that he made a promise to Conner that he wouldn't kill any humans period.
My toaster promises to make good toast...it doesn't. The message here is don't take a machines word for it as can only do what it is programmed to.
*Those cops were just doing their jobs to protect the city so there was no reason to kill them off.
There was no reason to keep them alive either.
*Terminator was advanced enough to shoot at the cop cars to scare those people away long enough for them to escape which is what he did.
True, but the well being of those officers were not part of its' programming.
*It made perfect sense for the story.
Actually it didn't. But morally speaking it did.
*Because they were shooting and could have killed John Connor*
Could have but didn't because he successfully protected Connor without needing to resort to that as promised.
*He's supposed to protect John Connor. That is his mission, nothing more, nothing less*
His mission is clearly expanded on throughout the story as he takes in information given to him throughout every conversation he has. Hence why he started to protect the mother as well, and not kill any humans after making said promise to the boy.
*Who says he's supposed to be?*
The filmmaker? hence why they wrote his character to be the hero of the story this time around. A hero can't go around killing cops or humans. This is why Connor lashed out at him about it earlier in the film.
*That he's programmed to protect John Connor.*
He was programmed to protect and do whatever Connor instructed of him which he did.
*My toaster promises to make good toast...it doesn't. The message here is don't take a machines word for it as can only do what it is programmed to.*
So now you're comparing your toaster to a futuristic cyborg that's programmed to protect, speak with humans, and retain information. Fail logic/Unfunny
*There was no reason to keep them alive either.*
There was. It may be a fictional universe but it's logical to know that those police officers had families to go back home to. So there's no reason to kill them. They weren't bad people but were just doing their job as i already mentioned. Thankfully you didn't write this movie.
*True, but the well being of those officers were not part of its' programming.*
The point still remains that the promise he made to never kill a human was programmed into him to follow at all times, so it wouldn't make sense for him to break that promise.
*Actually it didn't. But morally speaking it did.*
It did, and the fact that you disagree with it makes me glad that you didn't write this movie.
Ok, it is obvious we won't agree on the points raised, so let's deal with this.
So the Terminator is told by John aged 10 not to kill anyone after the spat with the two jocks. Why didn't he kill anyone in the bar when he first arrived?
No, We wont agree because your points were all terrible.
Did you even pay attention to the bar scene? his objective was not to kill but to to go in there, scan for a match, then leave with the proper clothes, boots, and a motorcycle. All so that he could blend in enough to get Connor to trust him I guess. I don't see the issue. Either way I believe I've said my piece here. So you're going to believe what you like either way and the movie will continue to be successful as is. I have no complaints. Goodbye now.
*Did you even pay attention to the bar scene? his objective was not to kill but to to go in there, scan for a match, then leave with the proper clothes, boots, and a motorcycle.
Yes. He had a cigar stumped out on him. He was attacked with a pool cue. He was stabbed. Outside he had a gun pulled on him.Yet he killed nobody.
Later when Connor is arguing with the Terminator the two jocks come over to assist young Connor as he is shouting for help but then tells them to take a hike when they arrive , to which they called him a dipshit. Connor told the Terminator to grab the guy and his friend jumped on the Terminator. The Terminator then pulls his gun to kill him.
You have no complaints?
Lol!
Goodbye indeed.
Don't bother talking to wearsalan. The entire time he was on imdb he did nothing on this board but hate on the movie and go on and on and on about how the first movie is better in every single way. Frankly he can hate on whatever is popular all he wants. But some of us can actually like this a lot and then there are those like wearsalan.
shareCause the movie is called the Terminator. If Arnold doesnt kill anything, they should've called it, My pet Robot. Reprogramming a Terminator to obey someone doesn't magically negate it's other programs. It doesn't have A.I. It cant be bargained with, It cant be reasoned with. It doesnt feel pity or remorse or fear. John talking to a Terminator doesn't change it programs or reprogram it!! This movie shits on the first in such an intolerable way. Turning it in a childish fantasy of stupidity. It's a terribly written movie full of cringe.
shareScrew you! Stay away from this board! I am sick of you haters flooding the board with your stupid complaints!
shareThe "intelligence" of someone who praises this joke of a movie on full display lol
Waaaaah! My critically acclaimed and highly successful blockbuster kids movie doesn't hold up to any valid criticisms so you must leave me in my safespace until I rock myself in the fetal position til it goes away! Mommy! More tendies!!Grow up, get a clue and move out your mothers basement. share
Edit out all that technical and clearly so so incorrect technical mumbo jumbo and you might have a point.
movie is called the Terminator. - no , its Called "Terminator 2"
"Reprogramming a Terminator to obey someone doesn't magically negate it's other programs."
Yes it does , presumably , given our current definition of programming
"It doesn't have A.I."
Yes it does , he clearly styates this in the film
" It cant be bargained with"
yes it can , within what its been (re)progrmmed to do
"It doesnt feel pity or remorse or fear." - probly still true . one point.
" John talking a Terminator doesn't change it programs or reprogram it!! "
Yes it does - it has AI / neural net etc
"This movie shits on the first in such an intolerable way."
matter of opinion,
NGMI If you want to like Terminator 1 more than 2 that's your business but none of your points here make any sense. You're forgetting that this is a highly advantanced machine from the future with all sorts of intelligence to be able to learn and adapt to its surroundings as displayed throughout the film. You want to call that terribly written? you go right ahead, but I will disagree with you every single time.
shareI'm not forgetting anything. Terminators are literally from 3 years ahead of today. Show me any cybernetic robot that can be reprogrammed just using words! If that were the case, the future wouldn't even have a war. Every terminator would just be talked out of killing!! Dont use guns John, use your words like a big boy.
You wanna headcannon some phony work around for all the poorly written plot points in this movie? Be my guest. Shut your brain off and enjoy the mindless action. But don't even try to defend anyone calling this movie perfect, a masterpiece or some cinematic achievement. It's a nice lil popcorn flick cashgrab for the MTV generation of idiots but it's full cringe moments, cringe writing, bad acting, plot holes, dumb motivations, and deviations from the original for no other reason than marketing, or nostalgia. There is no reason for the Terminator to wear shades unless it poked it's damn fake eyeball out, to hide his machine bits.