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What was all the slapstick comedy about?


I saw this yesterday for the first time. A number of the slapstick comedic bits, and not just in the first minutes of the film were directly lifted from old silent and/or black and white films, I think especially Charlie Chaplin.

For instance, when Gus takes control of all the (connected) computers in the world and they go haywire, a man sees his credit card bill and puts a grapefruit in his wife's face. That is directly lifted from the film The Public Enemy (though The Public Enemy isn't a comedy.)

Filmmakers can do anything they like obviously, but I didn't get the connection between Superman and silent comedy films to suggest that a Superman movie should be used as an homage to them.

I know part of the history of comic books is to use intentionally bad science as part of the storyline, but, since I'm not a scientist, I wonder if this was one of them:

In one scene, Superman turns a lump of coal into a diamond. That is, or was, a frequent part of Superman comic book stories. Of course, this is because both coal and diamonds are carbon, but have a different atomic structure.

I'm not sure if compounds also have different atomic structures, but certainly it takes more to make a compound than simply knowing its elemental components, When the satellite breaks down the elements involved in kryptonite, I don't see how either the satellite nor the villains would have had anyway of knowing how to combine these elements to create kryptonite (and nor would the super computer later in the film.)

I also thought Robert Vaughn plays likeable but oily villains very well, he did so similarly in a Columbo Episode, but I thought the third act was over the top. The obvious theme of the film was a warning of creating something you can't control, but it was about as subtle as a train wreck.

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Well, they went with a different director for this one. Richard Lester was known for a bunch of comedies in the sixties and later he did that two part Three Musketeers film series in the seventies which also had slapstick elements thrown in.

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Oh thanks, I didn't know that.

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The idiot executive producers Alexander and Ilya Salkind brothers preferred an unrealistic slapstick comedy so he had Lester takeover Superman 2 from director Richard Donner and completely for Superman 3. "Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut" shows some of the potential if Donner had been left to complete his vision for the movies.

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Richard Donner had Superman pull off the stupidest Deus Ex Machina to resolve a crisis, TWICE, in his first two movies (and I mean the Donner Cut for Superman II): Superman reverses time by spinning around the earth against the direction of its orbit really, REALLY fast!!

I mean, how fucking DUMB is that? And I don't care if it's from the comics (if it is) - I DO NOT CARE.

Richard Lester is actually UNDERrated as a director, IMHO.

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I like slapstick, but not in a Superman movie. My criticism is 100% against the Salkinds, not Lester.

The orbiting scene was only supposed to be in Superman 2, but was moved to Superman in case 2 wasn't released. Another Salkinds' decision.

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Fair enough, I understand that the Salkinds were ultimately in charge of Superman in the movies, so they could do whatever they wanted (I guess) - so I'm guessing they had a hold over the original creators?

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The movies never venture from the original creators' vision.

Superman 1 & 2 are still my favorite superhero movies even with the Salkinds' interference. Superman 3 is a mess which I like less than 4.

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Oh, don't get me started on 4 (!)

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Superman 1 ending was supposed to be the ending for Part 2. Part 1 was supposed to end with Superman throwing the nuks into space exploding and the shockwave releasing the 3 Kryptonians from the Phantom Zone.

Salkinds didn't want the flim to end with a cliffhanger so Donner made Lois die and Superman changing time to save her.

Both films IMO needed better endings.

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Also, I'm guessing that the Salkinds were trying to follow the blueprint that was set up by the 1960s version of Batman with Adam West. The 1978 Superman movie was really the first major live-action superhero movie (Tim Burton's first Batman movie was still 11 years away). And even then, Richard Donner, had to fight really hard to not dumb things down or make things too cheesy and campy. So there really wasn't much precedent towards how a "respectful" superhero adaptation should be like.

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The Salkinds thought the movie should be juvenile and funny since it was based on a comic book which had that reputation. They appear clueless. Donner was ahead of his time by attempting to make it realistic (although lighthearted). Later directors appear to follow his lead with more realistic films.

I heard many Batman fans were unhappy with the lighthearted 1960s Batman series and film. They wanted a darker, more neurotic character similar to the comic book.

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You’d think the box office returns of Donner’s film(s) would have convinced the Salkinds that he knew what he was doing. Why fuck with a winning recipe..?

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Richard Lester from my understanding, wasn't a comic book fan. I'm not necessarily saying that directors of superhero movies should always be comic book aficionados. I mean, Tim Burton as far as I can tell, wasn't a big comic book nerd when he was first assigned to do Batman. But the point is that Richard Lester naturally didn't have much reverence to the source material. It was just a job and not a true work of love and passion like was the case with Richard Donner.

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Yeah that makes a difference as well.

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"For instance, when Gus takes control of all the (connected) computers in the world and they go haywire, a man sees his credit card bill and puts a grapefruit in his wife's face. That is directly lifted from the film The Public Enemy (though The Public Enemy isn't a comedy.)"

So? The man obviously thinks his wife has been overspending far too much, seems a reasonable reaction to me. I would've divorced her, personally, which would've made it funnier.

"In one scene, Superman turns a lump of coal into a diamond. That is, or was, a frequent part of Superman comic book stories. Of course, this is because both coal and diamonds are carbon, but have a different atomic structure."

In that case, Superman III is paying homage to the comics. It IS a comic book movie, after all!

The rest of your points are irrelevant, it is comic book science, which never makes sense most of the time. The MCU movies do it all the time as well, dumb as THEY are.

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Richard Donner's vision was to take reality and place Superman in it. What if Superman came to NYC?

The Salkinds' vision was to make it an unrealistic and ridiculous comic book movie with slapstick like Pryor skiing down a skyscraper and weaponizing weather satellites.

Donner's Superman vision vs Salkinds' Superman 3 vision.

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I have to agree, I never understood the concept of Metropolis when the Superman movies used NYC in its place, what was with that?

As for your last two paragraphs, the executives and producers are usually more at fault than the directors are.

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Well at least the film still got some good points and not a total trainwreck like Part IV:Search for Peace (more like shattered to pieces !)

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The OP obviously never watched The Man From UNCLE, if s/he thinks Robert Vaughn can only play antagonists.

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I've never seen The Man from UNCLE, but I'm familiar with it. I didn't say Robert Vaughn could only play villians (or antagonists.) I believe in another thread somebody said they didn't think much of Vaughn in this film and that my point was that he was generally fine in this but was better in Columbo.

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I will never understand what everyone involved with this film was thinking. Despite the success of the first 2 films, the studio executives pushed for this to be a Richard Pryor comedy and made Superman a supporting character in his own movie. I don't care what anyone says. This is worse than Superman 4 and Man of Steel. Actually, I like Man of Steel but this movie is the epitomy of how not to make a Superhero movie. It's boring except for the scene of Clark Vs. Superman and the scenes with Lana Lang. But everything else in it is just stupid and boring.

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Pryor was very popular at that time. Still I remember not liking the trailer but thinking it has to be better than this. Watched it in the theater with my brother and his friends. Like everyone else we liked the split Superman fight but we didn't even like the Lana scenes that much. One good scene doesn't make a movie.

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It makes me glad that Eddie Murphy didn't end up in Star Trek IV as originally planned.

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I was really into computers after Tron in 1982 (still am, in fact) so the concept of Richard Pryor's "Ultimate Computer", even if the plans were scrawled onto a few cigarette packets in Gus' pocket were extremely silly, was a massive selling point to make the movie great to me, especially with what happened. I mean, how can anyone forget the Cyborg Ladybot it creates, eh?

And before anyone mentions my bad taste in movies, I was born in late 1972, so I would only have been 10 or 11 when it came out in the UK.

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Definitely not worse than 4, but it's not great.

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And then Richard Pryor went up in smoke😂😂😂😂😂

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I'll give Superman III this, unlike Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, it at the very least, feels "competently made". When a shlock factory like The Cannon Group got ahold of the Superman license, they of course gave us an unfinished, incoherent, cheap-jack end product.

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“I know part of the history of comic books is to use intentionally bad science as part of the storyline”

No truer statement has ever been said.

As for the diamonds vs other forms of carbon, it is the same carbon atom but the crystal lattice structure that describes how the individual carbon atoms are connected together is different. The same way you can make a lot of different structures with the same identical Lego pieces. I’ve always heard that diamonds are formed when carbon is submitted to extreme heat and pressure so I guess that is how they justified that scene.

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I have no idea. I thought "Superman 3" was really dumb. I was a teenager at the time it came out. It was a real let down from the first two.

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How old were you?

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14 or 15. I watched "Superman 3" again as an adult. I thought it was even stupider then I did as a kid.

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I've watched it many times since I was 10 or 11 in 1983, it never fails to entertain, even if many aspects are silly.

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Different strokes for different folks. I didn't care for it at all. Didn't you think it paled in comparison to the first two?

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No, the first one Superman's ending was just awful, although Superman 4 was much worse than 3, made as it was by a porn company on the absolute cheap.

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Yeah, agreed on 4 - that one was an absolute joke. If you don't mind, and if you have a moment, I'm curious as to why you thought the ending of 1 was awful? If I remember correctly - he drops Lex Luthor off at the prison and flies away - right? I don't remember it being a bad ending. WHy do you think it was?

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Because you cannot turn back time by spinning round and round the Earth against its orbit extremely quickly. That stupid moment just killed the movie for me.

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OMG you're right - I forgot about that. Yeah, that was ridiculous.

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You really have to understand that before the 80s comic books REALLY WERE kind of stupid. They were "junk" for kids, or at best a source of camp like the 60s Batman TV show. And that was considered ok! It would've been "missing the point" if you made a comic book movie and took it too seriously.

Now people were indeed down for the reverent tone of Superman I & II and they're in part responsible for comics (eventually) getting a classier reputation, but the long origin scenes of the first were almost unanimously considered the worst part of both movies, going too far and considered too dramatic and pretentious. The second half of part I and the majority of part II, being lighter and more comedic, were praised as being "more true" to the source material.

So they double and tripled-down on that with Superman III, and the reaction to that is you definitely don't want to go too far in that direction, either!

As the years went by and people had less and less of the idea that comics were just "trashy junk for kids" (largely because comics themselves had grown past that for a long time) people were better able to take the reverent and dramatic long first act to Superman I at face value. Superman II and especially III aged kind of poorly afterward, as it appears there's this long trend of the films getting steadily sillier and further away from the tone set by the beginning of the first film, rather than it looking like it was the beginning that was betraying the tone of the rest of the films.

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before the 80s comic books REALLY WERE kind of stupid
Still are!
comics (eventually) getting a classier reputation,
They did , but they are still stupid.
years went by and people had less and less of the idea that comics were just "trashy junk for kids"
yup , they were wrong, all of them

And now we have an epidemic. Infantile comics have crawled all over modern cinema like cancer , spreading , growing , producing sequels , origins , families and "universes" like theres no end , no limit , no point of saturation.
like locusts ravaging a crop field.

'course that just my opinion and the stats (ie money) shows i'm in a minority.
I just dont see the attraction of musclebound heroes in stupid lycra outfits with a variety of ever sillier magic powers.
(i know this isnt all comics , but its the bulk , its the part thats seen)

I'd say kids fare like Harry Potter movies are far more grown up material.





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