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McQueen's not really in it


Going through all the golden oldies that i never got round to seeing and finally watched this classic film.

Good film and all that but i felt Mcqueen was really just a bit part considering he was the Star of the Movie and a Superstar at the time. I've seen him being thrown into the Cooler over the years in little clips but that really is all he does throughout the film, most of it takes place without him while he's in there.

Granted we get the Cool chase seen and he closes the film but if it was another actor who wasn't billed as the star it would be a forgettable role. Not knocking the film it was great and he's great when we do see him but for a 3 hr film he's only in it for what feels about 10 minutes

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I don’t disagree in regards to it not really being a starring role for McQueen, but there’s so much talent in this film that I’m happy to switch back and forth between so many great actors.

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Why was McQueen sneaking around at night with white slacks on?

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He enjoyed a challenge.

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Um, ok, no one was really the main star here, maybe Attenborough. McQueen had a major role in the escape when he agreed to escape, gather information and then get caught to bring the import info back to the intelligence. Between his multiple escapes, his friendship with Ives, him being one of the only 3 Americans and his daring escape on motorcycle I would say he had a major role. It’s clear you fell asleep during the movie

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Do you understand Context?

This film is synonymous with McQueen, in fact usually you never hear one mentioned without the other.

So given that, i went in expecting more of a Papillion type scenario where he was constantly trying to break out but was thwarted. But after his quick introduction and cheeky first attempt for which he's tossed into the Cooler, the film then shifts for over an hour with the rest of the cast plotting the escape, with only sparse short scenes of McQueen being taken away again after yet another attempt, that we never see on camera.

Even the famous bike scene was relatively short in my opinion with no real build up, it was a small vignette as part of the multiple scenes showing each of them trying to evade capture.

Sorry but i thought you never really got attatched to McQueen he was just a really cool supporting character

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This was an early film role for McQueen. He spent the 1950's on television.
The Magnificent Seven (1960) and The Great Escape (1963) helped establish him as a leading man.
Both M7 and TGE were ensemble films with no clear lead (though Yul Brenner was first among equals in M7).
TGE also starred movie legends Garner, Attenborough, Bronson, Pleasence. Coburn and McCallum, among others.

McQueen didn't take the lead for himself until the late 1960's with the likes of The Cincinnati Kid, Bullitt and The Thomas Crown Affair.

Papillon (1973) was ten years after TGE when McQueen's name was established.

Compare Tom Cruise in The Outsiders (1983, with future stars Patrick Swayze, Ralph Macchio, Matt Dillon and Rob Lowe) to his role as an established star in A Few Good Men (1992).

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Brynner got top billing in TM7, McQueen got top billing in TGE. For all intents and purposes, McQueen was the star of the movie, even as early as 1963.

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McQueen wasn't THE star of every film he made, he played second fiddle to Yul Brynner and Paul Newman, respectively, in "The Magnificent Seven" and "The Towering Inferno". I don't know if he intended to play second fiddle in those films, but he did!

But here he obviously intended to work as part of a large ensemble, and made it work. He's good in his role, he steals a few scenes, he does his famous motorcycle stunt, but he doesn't make it *his* story. The fundamental story is of people working together, he doesn't overshadow that... and I guess some McQueen fans are disappointed by that. They should be proud instead, this is a film where McQueen shows that he's a real actor and not just a Movie Star, the way he both holds his own in an ensemble of top actors but doesn't stand out more than he should.

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Yeah fair enough i realize that now, i wasn't complaining and i am not a McQueen Super fan or anything but just going from what i had heard and imagined over the years, whenever any clip is shown on T.V it's either the Bike chase or him talking to the S.S Officer led me to assume that it was McQueens film.

But even as a supporting player i felt more connected to Garner and Pleasence or Attenborough than i did for him

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Sorry about the misleading advertising, because yeah, it was totally misleading! It's an ensemble film, and while McQueen does a solid job of ensemble work and steals as many scenes as he can, with all the actors competing for our attention it is indeed Garner who comes out on top! Every move he makes is a delight, he's one of those actors who could enthrall an audience by buttering his toast or picking up the mail, and give him a chance to blackmail a Nazi prison guard and he's away!

And in the competition for the audience's attention among a huge ensemble, Richard Attenborough, Charles Bronson, and Donald Pleasance also distinguish themselves. Interesting the loser in the mass actor's competition is James Coburn, I had to see the film more than once to even realize he was there. And do watch the film again, it's a terrific film and bears re-watching, why not see it again without the unrealistic expectations of a Mc Queen starring role?

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why not see it again without the unrealistic expectations of a Mc Queen starring role?

Certainly i will and i understand now that i went in with a certain idea of what the film was and his part after years of hearing what a great star he was and this film being brought up any time he's spoken about, so it didn't quite match up to me. Same with M7 again he's kind of there but didn't do anything to really stand out.

Agree about Coburn the Aussy accent didn't do him any favours either, he got the short end of the stick here

But i have Duck you Sucker lined up soon so will be able to truly get the measure of him

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You’re an idiot. He never played second fiddle to Newman in Towering. When he was offered the role of architect he immediately said NO, I’m playing the fire chief and you’re going to re-write the script so I have exactly the same amount of lines as Newman. Not only that you’re going to place my name with Newman in the opening credits side by side. McQueen took over the movie as soon as he showed up on screen. McQueen took control of his destiny here.
If you’re gonna make a comment about McQueen, then know what the hell you are talking about before you make an ignorant comment about the history of the film

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McQueen may have the same number of lines as Newman in "TTI", but he doesn't show up.until Newman has had the first act all to himself. Or wasit the first half of the film? Either way, Newman plays the protagonist, and McQueen.plays the supporting character.

And in "TM7", McQueen is the sudekick! Sure, he tries to draw attention every way possible, but try as he.might, Brynner blows him off the screen.

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That is so dumb. Doesn’t matter when McQueen shows up you dolt. That’s what the script calls for? Why would the fire chief be in the movie from the first scene. Again, you are clueless to the history of the movie being made and the history between both actors. McQueen controlled everything when being recruited to the movie. They both received equal billing and that was because McQueen made it that way. Do your research before you make a comment

And as far as Yul, he was so intimated by McQueens presence. But yes, Yul was the main character but got overshadowed by McQueen and Yul remained jealous of it until he died. He hated McQueen. And to be blunt, Yul is a statue as far as acting goes, at least in a western

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You must have a hell of a fanboy crush on McQueen, if you think he dominated those films.

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HE IS A FOUL MOUTHED WHACK JOB...BUT...HE IS RIGHT ON EVERY POINT HE MADE ABOUT MCQUEEN.

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Put Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen together, and McQueen automatically becomes the sidekick!

Yeah, McQueen had testosterone and charisma... but Brynner had MORE.

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MCQUEEN WAS JUST STARTING AND BRYNNER RECOGNIZED MCQUEEN FOR THE STAR IN THE MAKING HE WAS...BRYNNER DID EVERYTHING HE COULD TO HOLD THAT PICTURE AS HIS...YET A FRESH FACED MCQUEEN STEALS EVERY SHOT HE IS IN...TEN YEARS LATER AND BRYNNER WOULD HAVE BEEN SECOND BILLED BELOW STEVE.

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I disagree. Yes, Brynner felt threatened or challenged by McQueen, but he was more that up to the challenge posed by a charismatic younger actor. McQueen mugged away, but Brynner stood still and radiated charisma, and he dominates the film!

To anyone but a McQueen fanboy, that is. And if you're a fan can I ask a serious question? Are you a car enthusiast or gearhead? I know a little of car enthusiasts think of McQueen as a Fandom hero, because of the stunt driving.

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ALTHOUGH MY TWO FAVORITE ACTORS...STEVE MCQUEEN AND PAUL NEWMAN WERE BOTH SERIOUSLY INTO BOTH CARS AND BIKES AND RACING...I AM NOT...AT ALL...I JUST FELL UNDER THE SPELL OF TWO ICONS.

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I ask because I'm actually kind of curious about McQueen's fans. I recognize that the man was talented and charismatic but he just didn't appeal to me personally, which is kind of a shame because he made some movies I really like.

So why is it that so many straight men worship the guy?

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HE IS LIKE JOHN WAYNE...THE MAN IS LARGER THAN THE ROLES...HE WAS A SPECIAL HUMAN....A MIX OF LOOKS,CHARM AND TALENT THAT IS RARE...HIS STUBBORN NATURE AND HOBBIES ONLY ADD TO THE MYSTIQUE.

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McQueen is the great one. The greatest. There is no one who can ever come close to him - to his kind of “cool.” People also forget this guy was a beatnik and to listen to him talk was hilarious. He really made a difference. He would say that he wasn’t an actor but a re-actor. Women loved him. Everywhere. And it was mutual. He loved racing - cars, bikes, planes and horses - which all play a big role in the authenticity of his movies. It’s interesting to watch the Le Mans documentary where his son, Chad, talks about his father. At one time before he was famous, Sinatra liked him a lot and wanted him to be a part of the Rat Pack, but McQueen declined - perhaps he wanted to be his own top dog or thought his career would be altered. Whenever I watch foreign TV or movies, NOW out of nowhere without any focus on him, there is some kind of poster of his in an apartment or home - it is usually of Bullitt. But I have seen others of Wanted Dead or Alive or Le Mans and the polo scene in Thomas Crown. Or The Getaway. He is one of the most revered of all American icons universally - to this day. The other posters I notice are usually Tupac or Ali. Here in the US, I’ve seen a lot of Scarface with Pacino. Even in Great Escape - the mitt and the ball. That’s been done in many other movies with prison cells - one that comes to mind is Tom Cruise in Ghost Protocol in the beginning scenes in the Russian prison - only he was tossing a rock and catching. I saw that and said - that’s McQueen.

I don’t understand this thing about Yul Brynner. McQueen really gave him a tough time because McQueen was a prankster (so was Sinatra) and also competitive and aggressive. He would do a thing in a scene that would put the focus on him - he upstaged Brynner in mundane things like flipping a coin or scooping water from his hat. McQueen was good with horses and guns. Yul wasn’t - so there’s that too. McQueen complained that Yul’s horse was bigger. But McQueen did this with Wanted Dead or Alive - he chose his own horse. He went to a wrangler and deliberately got a horse who had some spirit, like he had - feisty. Although Ringo was a handful, McQueen bonded with him. Whatever happened with Yul and McQueen, it was mentioned that when McQueen was dying, he called Brynner and apologized. That was reported last year - I don’t know if it is valid.

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Thank you, and thank anyone who gives me a serious reply.

So, here's a copy of a McQueen pic, I found for a different thread!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/b3/7c/92b37c4ae11b73f6cd1108d1876cbe79.jpg

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You really are a moron. You’re speaking because you wanna suck off Yul. Get over your stupid opinion, it’s a fact that Yul felt threatened by McQueen, Yul always talked about it and hated McQueen till the day he dies. Jesus man get over your own opinion, these are stories that are in every biography of McQueen and Yul

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Judging from your level of fanboy fervor, I'm not the only one who wants to suck off a 20th century movie star.

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No fanboy dumbass, just shoving facts up your ignorant ass

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McQueen > Brynner.

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💯

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Good job Golfdick666, resort to five-year-old name-calling to make points. I didn't see where other posters deserved your ire, but good job making your points not worth the time to read closely.

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Wouldn’t have to resort to name calling if the dolts here knew what the hell they were talking about. If you’re gonna comment then make damn sure you know the history of the topic. Just don’t throw shit against the wall and wait for it to stick

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I DISLIKE YOU...BUT YOU SPEAK TRUTH ON THIS SUBJECT.

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Thanks?

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He thought the same thing. He saw the rushes and thought his part was minor and undeveloped. He was particularly upset that his character virtually disappears from the movie for about thirty minutes in the middle, so he walked out demanding re-writes. They hired an additional writer. But…. He’s the reason for the motorcycle chase which is a major part of the movie. “Steve McQueen accepted the role of Hilts on the condition that he got to show off his motorcycle skills. The motorcycle scenes were not based on real life.” He’s responsible for everything to do with that stunt. He did most of his own stunts if allowed. He personally attempted the jump across the border fence, but crashed. The jump was successfully performed by Bud Ekins, a friend of his. That whole part of the movie is because of McQueen.

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IMHO the movie is better for it. After all that time cooped up in a prison camp, that speed and dxcitement has great impact.

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I always considered it an ensemble cast anyway.

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As do I! See above, where I praise McQueen for being a solid member of an ensemble, instead of trying to dominate the film.

And yes, I think them motorcycle chase really improves the last act, without it it'd be multiple scenes of the guys taking trains or walking, the chase adds visual excitement.

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I JUST FINISHED READING MY THIRD MCQUEEN BIOGRAPHY...YOU SEEM TO KNOW YOUR STUFF...I LIKE YOU.

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Finally, a poster here who knows that the fuck he’s talking about. That otter dude and truemoviefan dude are schmucks and base their statements on their own opinions

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So what do you have to say in response to Lettess who said McQueen himself was very unhappy with his screentime and that he dissapears for most of the movie?

This thread is after all about McQueen in Great Escape not his feelings toward Yul Brenner

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I’m not the one who brought Yul up in this thread, I just responded to it genius.
And as far as McQueen being unhappy with his screen time in the GE, no one is denying that. But that is why McQueen made it in Hollywood, he made things happen his own way to create his star power and you have to respect that. I mean stealing scenes from Yul just by twirling his hat was an ingenious little trick. He did what he could in the GE to garner that and by his demand by escaping by motorcycle he did just that. I mean really, all you wanted to watch was his scene on the bike escaping the nazis. Sure you could about the other escapees but McQueens attempt at the end is what drove the finality of the film. And every time you watch it you still wanna believe he’s gonna escape

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Well actually you denied it Genius lol,

It's right there in this thread, you tried to ridicule me for 'falling asleep' for commenting that his role didn't feel that significant, and it's later been revealed from the horses mouth i might add, that this was in fact very much true and he thought the same himself.

Looks like you were only awake when he was on screen

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You’re an idiot. You said, in your opinion felt it was a bit part.
I just brought up the angle that McQueen felt he was part of an ensemble
Doesn’t mean “he thought” it was a bit part. It was far from a bit part. He just wasn’t the main attraction and he fixed that by implementing his bike chase
Stop posting about this because you’re exposing your own ignorance.

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You are weird mate

I said it was a bit part

you said it wasn't

Mcqueen said it was a bit part

You are deluded, and arrogant a terrible combination

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GOLFADDICT666 'Between his multiple escapes, his friendship with Ives, him being one of the only 3 Americans and his daring escape on motorcycle I would say he had a major role. It’s clear you fell asleep during the movie'

Steve McQueen- He saw the rushes and thought his part was minor and undeveloped. He was particularly upset that his character virtually disappears from the movie for about thirty minutes in the middle, so he walked out demanding re-writes.

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You need to stop using google. Right, google never lies. Try reading a few books about his actual life and his quotes. Nah, you’re too lazy, you’re just a movie forum hack

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I was surprised by the same thing. This is one of those movies I’ve always meant to watch but hadn’t until the other night.

Everything I’ve seen/heard about this movie prior to actually watching it revolved around McQueen, so I also expected him to have more of a leading role.

But I was happy with this “surprise” while watching it because I really enjoyed the ensemble situation. In fact I liked Attenborough, Garner & Pleasence way more than McQueen’s character scenes.

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Me too, as i said i'm not knocking the film or even him in it but the contrast between the legend of the film/McQueen compared to what you actually get are way off.

Any time the film is referenced or shown on TV you can be certain it's his part but that is all you basically get is the scene of him being cheeky with the officer and the bike scene other than that i think even supporting character is a stretch.

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McQueen saw the original script and actually insisted on his part being expanded. So, what you see of him is more than what was originally intended for his character. Also, there was only one American in the actual number of soldiers who were part of the escape.

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SM wasn't a star until the late '60s. This is an ensemble piece.

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Yeah, nah. It's an ensemble piece yes, but McQueen still got top billing. That makes him the star as early as 1963.

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