Simu Liu Slams Tarantino for Anti-Marvel Comments: Golden Age Was ‘White as Hell’
https://www.indiewire.com/2022/11/simu-liu-slams-tarantino-for-anti-marvel-comments-1234785006/
shareThis is why I lost respect for Simu Liu years ago. He makes everything about race. Years ago he criticized the CBC for cancelling his show "Kim's Convenience" saying that if was a white show, the network wouldn't have cancelled it. The creator of the show who is Asian said it was his idea to not continue with the show and that he didn't have any plans to ever return to it.
Tarantino didn't even bring up race in his comments. His comments are about how people only care about superheroes, not the actors in those roles in this era in movies. Simu is just looking for attention.
There's a lot of things I don't like about Liu, but I think here, it kinda...makes sense what he's saying in context. Tarentino and Scorsese before him have criticized the entire superhero cinematic industry. Liu's defending Disney and the whole shebang, and one of the things he found favorable here is the MCU's (alleged) commitment to ethnic diversity.
Now, there's so much up there that I disagree with lol, but I don't think his pulling the racecard was totally out of line here. But yeah, in general, it does seem to be his go-to talking about. He's just an actor. From reading what he's had to say in the past, he's clearly just a simpleton when it comes to identity politics, just jumping on the bandwagon. The Kim's convenience example was a good one.
I just think it's weird that he's bringing up Marvel's diversity when neither Tarantino or Scorsese criticized it. Wouldn't it make more sense to just attack exactly what they said to prove them wrong?
shareThing is how is Shang Chi diverse. The director is of asian decent. The main cast is of asian decent.
How come that 1 homogenous group is diverse just like Black Panther but he complains about white movies not being diverse enough.
I always find it amusing.
I remember when people called "Parasite" diverse.
shareHe's not arguing that Shang Chi is diverse. He's arguing that disney films are diverse. Jesus fucking christ it's in the headline.
shareHe's arguing that disney films are diverse
No he says in the article which you seem to have made an assumption about me based on nothing at all. Is that if Tarentino and Scorcese were running things he would never have had a chance which is absolute nonsense.
If the only gatekeepers to movie stardom came from Tarantino and Scorsese, I would never have had the opportunity to lead a $400 million plus movie
That is his quote. Yeh nop asian actor has ever been in films before this no name idiot. Literally any asian actor could have played his role and it would have made no difference.
And I always ask this as it never gets answered why is he complainign about movies that are again his words "white as hell". What is wrong with a white cast in a movie. Do we comlpain about Chinese movies having to many Chinese in it. No of course we don't.
No one complained not enough diversity in Shang Chi. Even though it is a homogenous group. Why?
Why do white films need more diversity but no one else has to follow those same rules.
But always remember if you wish to defend this man he said that pedos were the no different to being gay. So pick your battles carefully
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"Literally any asian actor could have played his role and it would have made no difference."
AND THERE'S THE RACISM. NOEMOJI
No it isn't. Nothing racist about an observation on a persons acting ability. No matter how much you say it. Literally isn't. So jog on with your nonsense.
So if another asian actor had played the part of similar age less peopel would have gone to see it or did they go see Shang Chi?
The answer is the went to see Shang Chi. The actor which is the whole point of the discussion is irrelevant. See Anthony Mackie for that.
Is he also racist for sating the same thing?
NOT WHAT YOU SAID,CHONGO...""Literally any asian actor could have played his role and it would have made no difference."
RACISM DETECTED AND NOTED. NOEMOJI
Silly you. Diversity only matters when it comes to white people. It's not even the right word. It should be "Too many white people in this movie." instead of diversity
shareYou misunderstand, likely on purpose, what people mean when talking about diversity. They aren't saying that a movie like Black Panther is diverse in its cast or crew, but that its existence brings diversity to American cinema, which until recently was mostly white. The same goes for a Shang Chi. Yes, as a story about China that takes place primarily in China, it has a mostly Chinese cast. That film brings diversity to the overall body of work released by Hollywood.
shareTRUTH^ NOEMOJI
shareYou misunderstand, likely on purpose
Good start. Insult the person you are replying to in a weak attempt to take the moral highground and to get in early that your points are right and mine are wrong based solely on your own opinion. Not how it works.
They aren't saying that a movie like Black Panther is diverse
Yes they are. Literally every article is about how diverse it is. At no ppoint do they say "its existence brings diversity to American cinema" all they talk about is a diverse crew and cast, the same for Shang Chi. So I ask again how can a homogeous group of black or chinese be diverse but white needs more diversity. Seems like a rule for one and not for the other.
which until recently was mostly white
And again which no one seems to be able to answer this. What is wrong with that? Cinema built by white people and jewish people making films about white people. Oh the horror. What a crime to behold
That film brings diversity to the overall body of work released by Hollywood
And. But thats not what he said and was on about. He said the golden age of cinema was to white. Now can you imagine if a white person had said that current cinema was to black. Well I only need to look to Kowalski to get the answer to that question. Just his reply for that.
How come poeple like yourself who lets be honest only see skin colour are the heros and pushing diversity but someone like me that wants the rules to be evenly played out and no one should be afraid to cast anyone in any role is deemed the racist. Funny isn't it. share
I didn't insult you. I pointed out that you're asking a troll-like question to which you already know the answer. The discussion around diversity and films like Black Panther or Shang Chi has nothing to do with the casts of those films. As I pointed out, the films themselves bring diversity to the overall body of work being produced in Hollywood, which until recently had been made up of films primarily by white directors and starring white actors.
Your entire response reads as if it were written to someone else, and has nothing to do with what I wrote.
There's no rule for one group but not another. There's no rule being discussed at all. One simple point is being made: when 99 films are made by white directors and have white stars, a film from a black director with black stars adds diversity to the world of film. No one but you has said there's anything wrong films being made by or for white audiences. Rather, people are applauding the fact that there are now ALSO films being made by and for other groups as well.
Liu made a statement of fact: the golden age of cinema was a time when only whites had a voice in cinema. You can imagine all you want what might happen if someone else says something else. Who knows? I assume if someone says cinema today is too black people would think he was nuts, because cinema is still predominantly white, but again: who knows?
Your final paragraph is the most baffling of all. You're the one ranting about blacks this and Asians that, yet you think I only see skin color. I don't care at all about anyone's skin color. I think it's great that we're finally at a point where no one is afraid to cast anyone of any skin color in a role, and I only care that the person cast can do the job. Skin color is of no more consequence to me than the color of the actor's eyes or the color of his socks.
Well yeah, it's kind of a non-sequitur. It kind of works for me because I see him juxtaposing the "golden age" vs his current employers. You're right, he's not tackling the specific point (e.g. capt america being a star doesn't preclude chris evans being a star too).
His pulling the race card here isn't that insightful. But I think it's no different than if he had said something like, the classics were good too but at least we got some cinematic universes in place. It's not related to something specific they stand, but he's just standing up for why he thinks the work he's doing is better in some regard.
who is this guy
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