Why is it the Democrats fault when 2 Republicans tried to kill him.
Just asking.
shareFirst of all they weren’t Republicans. They both aligned to the far left talking points. The social media posts by the second shooter shows he was 100 percent in the tank for Brandon.
Secondly it’s the Democrats fault because they raised the temperature by spreading lies and conspiracy theories that Trump was a threat to democracy and the next Hitler. If you’re and unhinged lunatic who believes that garbage you have no other choice than to take him out. It’s not completely the shooters faults, they just thought they were answering the call for their patriotic duty because of the lies Kamala, Brandon and the left have been spewing for the past 8 years.
Finally quit playing the victim. Whenever the Democrats can they connect whatever dots they have to to blame any national tragedy on Republicans. It’s beyond shameful that the left is trying to suggest it’s Trumps fault that a far left radical tried to assassinate him. The left is trying to normalize violence against conservatives and it’s UnAmerican. Anyone who is encouraging this kind of behavior is not an American.
>Secondly it’s the Democrats fault because they raised the temperature by spreading lies and conspiracy theories that Trump was a threat to democracy and the next Hitler. If you’re and unhinged lunatic who believes that garbage you have no other choice than to take him out.
By this logic, as I said, if a far-right nutter tries to take a shot at Kamala, that's on Trump - as he's said the same things.
A lot would depend on the circumstances. But this discussion is the left trying to murder Trump, twice now. Why is it so hard for you to denounce far left terror and hate? This isn’t a hard position to take.
shareWhat circumstance would it depend on? You just assume that the last two assassins specifically did what they did purely because of things Kamala had said. Why should it be any different if someone tried to take out Kamala Harris?
>But this discussion is the left trying to murder Trump, twice now.
And that's not Kamala's fault anymore than it would be Trumps fault if someone tried to take Kamala out. You can't have it both ways.
>Why is it so hard for you to denounce far left terror and hate? This isn’t a hard position to take.
I'll denounce all forms of terror - far-left, far-right, islamist, christofascist, whatever.
Again I would have to evaluate the situation as it happened.
It very much is Kamala’s fault, her lies and conspiracy theories incited two attempted assassinations. She needs to be held accountable.
As for your last sentence all you did was show how much a coward you are. The topic is far left hate which is clearly the biggest threat our democracy is facing and you had to throw in “far right” (BTW the far right doesn’t even exist). I’ll say again: Do you have the moral courage to stand with me against far left hate. That is a yes or no question, not an essay.
>It very much is Kamala’s fault, her lies and conspiracy theories incited two attempted assassinations. She needs to be held accountable.
So by this logic if someone tries to kill Kamala, Trump must also be held accountable. Thanks for playing, fuckwad.
>As for your last sentence all you did was show how much a coward you are. The topic is far left hate which is clearly the biggest threat our democracy is facing and you had to throw in “far right" (BTW the far right doesn’t even exist).
What is your definition of far-right?
>I’ll say again: Do you have the moral courage to stand with me against far left hate. That is a yes or no question, not an essay.
What does "standing against it mean"? If you mean do I condemn those assassination attempts, then yes. But you're asking a deliberately loaded question. Because you're a dishonest piece of shit.
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>We aren’t talking about Kamala in this discussion, have the moral courage to stand on your own two feet.
I will never stop pointing out your blatant hypocrisy. I don't care about the narrow framing you put it in to avoid the consequences of your hypocrisy.
I'll say whatever the fuck I like. Is that clear?
>Far-right does not exist. It’s a buzz word the left uses to smear those they disagree with. There is center right, there is center and then there is far left.
So exactly what is the ideology, in your mind, of someone completely to the opposite of a far-leftist?
The notion that centre-left also doesn't exist is absurd and completely baseless. You have a delusional political spectrum understanding.
I have zero reason to accept your made-up political spectrum. You have all the authority on this of a cabbage.
>I asked you to condemn far left terror and you once again went off on a tangent, you are the definition of a coward.
I specifically told you what I'd condemn. I'm not going to buy into your dishonest framing as no doubt you conflate "condemning far-left terror" with "calling for Kamala Harris arrest". That's the blatant dishonest you're operating under. Because you're scum.
We aren’t talking about Kamala in this discussion, have the moral courage to stand on your own two feet.
Far-right does not exist. It’s a buzz word the left uses to smear those they disagree with. There is center right, there is center and then there is far left.
I asked you to condemn far left terror and you once again went off on a tangent, you are the definition of a coward. Here let me set an example:
- Do you, KingBob condemn white supremacy?
- Me: “Yes”
>We aren’t talking about Kamala in this discussion, have the moral courage to stand on your own two feet.
I will never stop pointing out your blatant hypocrisy. I don't care about the narrow framing you put it in to avoid the consequences of your hypocrisy.
I'll say whatever the fuck I like. Is that clear?
>Far-right does not exist. It’s a buzz word the left uses to smear those they disagree with. There is center right, there is center and then there is far left.
So exactly what is the ideology, in your mind, of someone completely to the opposite of a far-leftist?
The notion that centre-left also doesn't exist is absurd and completely baseless. You have a delusional political spectrum understanding.
I have zero reason to accept your made-up political spectrum. You have all the authority on this of a cabbage.
>I asked you to condemn far left terror and you once again went off on a tangent, you are the definition of a coward.
I specifically told you what I'd condemn. I'm not going to buy into your dishonest framing as no doubt you conflate "condemning far-left terror" with "calling for Kamala Harris arrest". That's the blatant dishonest you're operating under. Because you're scum.
>- Do you, KingBob condemn white supremacy?
- Me: “Yes”
I also condemn any far-left terror. But I reject your insinuation and conflation that I expect you'll make, that involves condemning Kamala Harris and calling for her arrest.
I’m not being a hypocrite at all, I am calling on Kamala Harris to be held accountable for her lies which resulted in 2 attempted assassinations of President Trump.
Someone completely opposite of a far-leftist is either a centrist or they are center right.
And there you go again, you won’t clearly condemn far left terror much like how I clearly condemned “white supremacy”.
>I’m not being a hypocrite at all
Yes you are. You are literally personifying "rules for thee, but not for me".
>I am calling on Kamala Harris to be held accountable for her lies which resulted in 2 attempted assassinations of President Trump.
Under what charge, exactly? Name it. What's the historical precedent here?
You hate the first amendment. You hate free speech.
>Someone completely opposite of a far-leftist is either a centrist or they are center right.
No reason to believe this. It's complete nonsense. You know absolutely NOTHING about the political spectrum. According to you Bernie Sanders has the exact same political beliefs as Kamala Harris and both have identical political beliefs to the CCP. It's total ignorance.
What is Vladimir Putin, in your mind?
>And there you go again, you won’t clearly condemn far left terror much like how I clearly condemned “white supremacy”.
"I also condemn any far-left terror". Literally there in quotes.
Can you actually read, or is this another way in which you are a total moron?
No I’m just calling it like it is. The left’s hateful rhetoric and lies are posing a serious threat to President Trumps life and our democracy.
You can’t call out a hit on anyone. Kamala has done it repeatedly. At the very least she should be impeached, removed from office and indicted.
No the problem is you don’t want to believe it. The Republicans for the most part are very moderate. The Democrats are very very very far left. It’s disturbing.
You tap danced around the issue. You won’t just come out and condemn far left terror the way I condemned white supremacy. You’re a disgrace and a coward.
>No I’m just calling it like it is. The left’s hateful rhetoric and lies are posing a serious threat to President Trumps life and our democracy.
No, you're being a hypocritical little bitch and granting Trump special dispensation to say the same shit Kamala Harris says.
>You can’t call out a hit on anyone. Kamala has done it repeatedly. At the very least she should be impeached, removed from office and indicted.
No, she has not. Your definition of a "hit" is apparently calling Trump a fascist and danger to democracy. He's said the same things about Kamala Harris, so by your logic Trump has also called out a hit on Kamala Harris.
Hypocritical scumbag.
>No the problem is you don’t want to believe it. The Republicans for the most part are very moderate. The Democrats are very very very far left. It’s disturbing.
No reason to believe this. What you insist without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You think Bernie Sanders is the exact same ideologically as Kamala Harris? Do you know anything about politics?
Fuckbrain.
>You tap danced around the issue. You won’t just come out and condemn far left terror the way I condemned white supremacy. You’re a disgrace and a coward.
"I also condemn any far-left terror". Literally there in quotes.
So you can't read. You are a genuine moron.
You have no room to call anyone a coward, BKB/JoWilli. You were on here two months ago reporting anyone who criticized Trump or made light of the assassination attempt to Homeland Security like the little bitch that you are.
shareI’m not BKB or JoWilli, the only person on here who we know has a sock account is yatzo. Quit peddling your far left conspiracy theories.
shareAs opposed to the nonsense conspiracy theory that only centre-right, centre and far-left exist? Omitting at least 4 placements on the traditional political axis.
shareI told you the facts, you don’t like them then that’s your own damn problem.
shareNo, you made baseless claims based on your total idiocy and prejudice.
You know nothing about the many, many different political ideologies. According to you there's no difference between Keir Starmer and Jeremy Corbyn, or Jean-Luc Mélenchon and Olaf Scholz.
More deflections which I’m not going to fall for. Learn to stay on topic.
shareDeflecting what?
Do you think Keir Starmer is far-left?
You just listed a group of people you are trying to deflect to. The discussion is about Kamala Harris and her attempts to have President Trump assassinated. Stay on topic you coward.
shareI'll discuss whatever the fuck I like, and without your permission. I don't answer to you.
Branching topics are absolutely relevant when you make bat-shit claims. You don't get to just make stupid comments about how you're an ignorant piece of shit and then cry that we should "stay on topic" when you're challenged.
Cowardly scumbag.
You just listed a group of people you are trying to deflect to. The discussion is about Kamala Harris and her attempts to have President Trump assassinated. Stay on topic you coward.
shareVery typical of Skavau to retreat to ‘branching topics’ once he’s been publicly debunked. Pathetic.
And how has Kingbob debunked me? Name specifics. You won't be able to.
shareYou can say that you're not BKB or JoWilli all you want, but the thing is, you are them. Everyone can see it. Everyone can also see that you're a cowardly little bitch boy.
shareHey sock boy - how the f…k did you get so insane??
shareBut this discussion is the left trying to murder Trump, twice now
So do you think "the Left" is fully behind these assasinations and would have endorsed/helped them had they been aware of what the perpetrators were planning?
Yes they absolutely were. They peddled the same lies and conspiracy theories for years that Trump was a "threat to democracy" and the next Hitler. What did they think was going to happen? Of course someone was going to try to take out Trump, from their perspective they were answering the call of duty to save humanity thanks to Kamala and her lies. It's not completely the shooters faults, they were just duped and manipulated by Kamala and her lies. Kamala should be indicted for both 7-13 and 9-15.
shareUnless a “far right nutter” tries to assassinate her, this discussion is pointless.
If the far right, or even the right in general, had people like that, you’d think they would’ve tried something by now. But they haven’t. Food for thought.
Do you think it was wrong for Kamala Harris to call Trump a fascist/threat to democract outright? Yes or no? Was it in itself, incitement?
shareYes, it is wrong to call Trump that, because he's not a fascist or a threat to democracy. There is no evidence that he is. Whether or not she incited it in any way, her party has been pushing that Trump is literally Hitler, and her claims are only perpetuating that, emboldening far left nutters to play hero and take shots at him.
share>Yes, it is wrong to call Trump that, because he's not a fascist or a threat to democracy.
So therefore it should also be wrong for Trump to call Kamala Harris a fascist or threat to democracy.
>her party has been pushing that Trump is literally Hitler, and her claims are only perpetuating that, emboldening far left nutters to play hero and take shots at him.
And by the same logic, Trump might embolden the far-right to do the same.
And yet no one in Trump's camp was emboldened to do anything, like I said. If they do, then you can play the whataboutism card.
shareSo are you willing to go on record and say that if someone does attempt to take Kamala Harris that Trump is responsible and should be held accountable because of his rhetoric?
shareNo, because his rhetoric isn't provocative. Her's is, as is her party's.
sharehttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2024/aug/18/donald-trump-attacks-kamala-harris-throughout-insult-laden-pennsylvania-rally-video
"Former president Donald Trump has labelled Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris 'crazy', 'dangerous' and a 'fascist' during a rally in Pennsylvania. Despite initially planning to focus on key economic talking points to re-energise his campaign in the swing-state, Trump instead launched into personal attacks."
How is this ANY different? You are being a partisan hypocrite.
Because all that applies to her. Have you seen her interviews? No wonder she wouldn't agree to debating Trump unless the moderators were on her side. She is absolutely crazy, and therefore dangerous if given the keys to the presidency. And since the Democrats are more and more openly Marxist, who are historically the most fascist people ever, it's fitting to call her one too. Trump is a candid man, but he's not dangerous or a fascist. He can get off topic by trying to talk about a bunch of issues at once, but he's not crazy.
And I'll say yet again, none of Trump's rhetoric has called for anyone to shoot her. For a man so allegedly dangerous, none of his opponent's lives have ever been threatened. Meanwhile he's been shot at twice so far, and will likely be shot at again before the year's done.
>Because all that applies to her.
No, it does not.
I also wasn't focusing on the "crazy" but the "fascist" and "threat to democracy".
>And since the Democrats are more and more openly Marxist, who are historically the most fascist people ever, it's fitting to call her one too.
Evidence please.
>Trump is a candid man, but he's not dangerous or a fascist. He can get off topic by trying to talk about a bunch of issues at once, but he's not crazy.
So Trump gets to throw baseless accusations at Kamala Harris that raise the temperature, but the democrats don't. Utterly outrageous hypocrisy.
>And I'll say yet again, none of Trump's rhetoric has called for anyone to shoot her. For a man so allegedly dangerous, none of his opponent's lives have ever been threatened. Meanwhile he's been shot at twice so far, and will likely be shot at again before the year's done.
It wouldn't matter if anyone had or not, because you're already on record as stating that you wouldn't blame him anyway despite the many similar comments that he's made about Kamala Harris. You've already decided that you wouldn't blame him, but you do blame Kamala Harris. Shameless hypocrisy.
Yes, it does apply to her, and her entire party. If you want evidence, I suggest taking your head out of the sand and look at anything they say or do. They've been pushing for segregation since before the American Civil War, as well as other draconian laws and policies to control the masses, and they violently attack anyone who even slightly disagrees with them. They created multiple hate and terrorist groups from the KKK to BLM to Antifa (that we know of).
I don't care if you like or dislike Trump, but I'm not gonna blame him for things he didn't do. I'm proud to be shamelessly objective.
>Yes, it does apply to her, and her entire party. If you want evidence, I suggest taking your head out of the sand and look at anything they say or do.
What you insist without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
>They've been pushing for segregation since before the American Civil War, as well as other draconian laws and policies to control the masses
What segregation are they pushing for now? What "draconian laws" and policies are they pushing designed to "control the masses" now?
>and they violently attack anyone who even slightly disagrees with them.
Name me a Democrat representative of any type that tried to attack someone who even "slightly disagrees with them". Meanwhile, Trump:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/18/trump-greg-gianforte-assault-guardian-ben-jacobs
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/08/trump-threatens-jail-adversaries
>They created multiple hate and terrorist groups from the KKK to BLM to Antifa (that we know of).
The KKK was founded in 1865. I'll await evidence that Democrat officials created BLM and Antifa.
>I don't care if you like or dislike Trump, but I'm not gonna blame him for things he didn't do. I'm proud to be shamelessly objective.
You're not remotely objective at all. You've already stated your blatant hypocrisy.
>Yes, it does apply to her, and her entire party. If you want evidence, I suggest taking your head out of the sand and look at anything they say or do.
What you insist without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
>They've been pushing for segregation since before the American Civil War, as well as other draconian laws and policies to control the masses
What segregation are they pushing for now? What "draconian laws" and policies are they pushing designed to "control the masses" now?
>and they violently attack anyone who even slightly disagrees with them.
Name me a Democrat representative of any type that tried to attack someone who even "slightly disagrees with them". Meanwhile, Trump:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/18/trump-greg-gianforte-assault-guardian-ben-jacobs
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/08/trump-threatens-jail-adversaries
>They created multiple hate and terrorist groups from the KKK to BLM to Antifa (that we know of).
The KKK was founded in 1865. I'll await evidence that Democrat officials created BLM and Antifa.
>I don't care if you like or dislike Trump, but I'm not gonna blame him for things he didn't do. I'm proud to be shamelessly objective.
You're not remotely objective at all. You've already stated your blatant hypocrisy.
*sigh* You know, Skavau, for someone so adamant about your position, and who spends so much time on here, you somehow still come off as profoundly naive and exceedingly ignorant. How can you challenge anyone so brazenly when you don't seem to know what's going on? If you're playing coy, I can only ask what do you get out of it? Do you really have nothing else going on in your life that you have to troll others? Either way, I'm probably the only guy on this site that's given you the benefit of the doubt, but even I have my limits.
I'm not sure what you think those articles are supposed to prove, but if you have time to lookup tabloid fodder like that, you can easily find the evidence you crave if you're really that curious. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if you asked me for evidence that the sky is blue, to which I'd say go and look for yourself, I'm not gonna spoon-feed you or do your work for you.
You're more than free to continue debating people if you want, but if you're not trolling and are being genuine, then based on your presentation of ignorance, you don't seem qualified to have these discussions until you educate yourself and do some proper research first.
>*sigh* You know, Skavau, for someone so adamant about your position, and who spends so much time on here, you somehow still come off as profoundly naive and exceedingly ignorant. How can you challenge anyone so brazenly when you don't seem to know what's going on? If you're playing coy, I can only ask what do you get out of it? Do you really have nothing else going on in your life that you have to troll others? Either way, I'm probably the only guy on this site that's given you the benefit of the doubt, but even I have my limits.
No answer here whatsoever. Dude, you made a bunch of claims and provided no evidence for any of them. Or made baseless opinionated assertions.
>I'm not sure what you think those articles are supposed to prove, but if you have time to lookup tabloid fodder like that, you can easily find the evidence you crave if you're really that curious. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if you asked me for evidence that the sky is blue, to which I'd say go and look for yourself, I'm not gonna spoon-feed you or do your work for you.
Those articles literally quote things that Trump has said. You don't need to read the opinion of them. Trump is literally quoted and video exists of things he's said.
>You're more than free to continue debating people if you want, but if you're not trolling and are being genuine, then based on your presentation of ignorance, you don't seem qualified to have these discussions until you educate yourself and do some proper research first.
"Anyone who disagrees with me is trolling"
You still haven't backed up your claim that Kamala Harris is marxist. Just baseless garbage.
One article talked about Trump imprisoning law-breakers, the other was about his opinion on an over-blown tiff. Big whoop, talk about low-hanging fruit.
If you have the time to scrape the bottom of the barrel for stuff like that, you have time to educate yourself on Kamala and the rest of the democrats.
>One article talked about Trump imprisoning law-breakers, the other was about his opinion on an over-blown tiff. Big whoop, talk about low-hanging fruit.
"Donald Trump has praised Greg Gianforte, the Congress member from Montana, for violently attacking a Guardian reporter, saying that someone who performs a body slam is “my guy”."
Celebrating violence against reporters is based, is it?
I also can't find a source on it now, but Trump also praised some guy trying to assault reporters at one of his rallies earlier this year saying something like "he's one of us" as he was being removed. You think that's good?
What does "unscrupulous behaviour" mean exactly?
And this doesn't even account for the many times he's threatened the press, talked about expanding libel laws and openly called for flag-burning to be illegal.
>If you have the time to scrape the bottom of the barrel for stuff like that, you have time to educate yourself on Kamala and the rest of the democrats.
I have never seen anything that Kamala Harris has ever said that is marxist. Nor anything that indicates the Democrats set up Antifa or BLM.
Another embarrassing gaslighting fail from Skavau 🤦🏻♂️
Anyone paying attention can see that the relentless demonisation of Trump from the regime and Leftists, including the media and TDS celebs, has resulted in these assassination attempts.
Creatures like Skavau should hang their heads in shame for contributing, but of course all he does is try to gaslight people into thinking none of this is happening.
Pure human cancer.
Trump has demonised his political opposition as much as anyone has done over many years. That is my point.
shareYeah, and your point is wrong.
Trump has accurately described his opposition - who are demons based on their actions.
And even then his descriptions pale into insignificance compared to the relentless torrent of Trump-demonisation poured out against him for 8 years from all the propaganda organs and figures I mentioned, which have led to these assassination attempts.
So your comparison, once again, fails.
>Trump has accurately described his opposition - who are demons based on their actions.
And what actions are these?
How are they communist? How are they fascist? He's lobbed both of those accusations at them. Explain this. You can't because you're a thick as pigshit partisan hack.
>And even then his descriptions pale into insignificance compared to the relentless torrent of Trump-demonisation poured out against him for 8 years from all the propaganda organs and figures I mentioned, which have led to these assassination attempts.
Trump has hurled abuse at far more people than just Biden/Kamala. He has lobbed abuse, baseless claims and derogatory remarks at tons of politicians, celebrities and other public figures over the years.
You really think your tired-ass Straw and Hatchling questions routine is going to work… on me?
🤣🤣🤣
Take your false equivalence, shove it back up your ass and fuck off. Prick.
>You really think your tired-ass Straw and Hatchling questions routine is going to work… on me?
Asking you to back up your baseless claims is "straw and hatchling" apparently?
And I'll do whatever the fuck I like. You are as usual are completely incapable of backing up any of your claims. All you do is worship Trump. It doesn't matter what he says, you'll always consider it true.
Cool story! 😃👍🏻
shareIt was Trump who declared himself a threat to democracy when he stated that he wanted to be a dictator and that we should tear up the Constitution. Neither Harris nor Biden had anything to do with that..
shareIt was Trump who declared himself a threat to democracy when he stated that he wanted to be a dictator and that we should tear up the Constitution. Neither Harris nor Biden had anything to do with that..
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