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The people that Trump wants to pardon.


https://imgur.com/gallery/pardon-V3Lqbwx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Fanone#2021_United_States_Capitol_attack_and_retirement

During the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, Fanone, who was not scheduled to go on duty until the afternoon, self-deployed in response to radio calls for assistance. He was assaulted by rioters, dragged down the Capitol steps, beaten with pipes, stunned with a Taser, sprayed with chemical irritants, and threatened with his own gun. Fanone suffered burns, a heart attack, a concussion, a traumatic brain injury, and was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of the attack.

Alongside fellow officers Harry Dunn, Aquilino Gonell, and Daniel Hodges, Fanone testified before the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack, in which he discussed his experiences with rioters that afternoon. In the testimony, Fanone noted:

At some point during the fighting, I was dragged from the line of officers and into the crowd. I heard someone scream—"I got one!". As I was swarmed by a violent mob, they ripped off my badge. They grabbed and stripped me of my radio. They seized ammunition that was secured to my body. They began to beat me with their fists, and what felt like hard metal objects. At one point, I came face-to-face with an attacker, who repeatedly lunged for me and attempted to remove my firearm. I heard chanting from some in the crowd—"Get his gun!" and "Kill him with his own gun!"

In June 2021, Fanone asked Kevin McCarthy and other Republicans in Congress to denounce the January 6 conspiracies. Due to physical and emotional injuries, he returned to limited duty in September 2021, working in the technical and analytical services bureau. In October 2021, one of the men charged with assaulting Fanone was released from jail and put under house arrest. Fanone retired from the police force due to age-related health issues in 2021. His last day on duty was December 31, 2021.

These are the kinds of people that Trump loves.

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I’d say the person Trump most wants to pardon is Trump.

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Okay, I should have been more clear. LOL. Trump only says he "wants' to pardon the J6 people. That he already refused to do so prior to leaving office indicates he will probably not do so in the future.

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I don't get. Trump and his band of barking seals claim that all of the Jan. 6 insurrectionists were BLM, Antifa and FBI. If that's true then why is Trump raising money to help them out?

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Hasn't he already "promised" he'll do what Nixon attempted to do, which was find a bunch of anti-war/anti-establishment protesters, throw them in jail, then pardon them along with the Watergate burglars (and halting any investigations into their activities).

So we wound up with BLM/Antifa being both responsible for Jan 6. But also a pawn being used to excuse not investigating Jan 6 further.

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There were between 2K and 2.5K protesters on J6 of which around 200+- were Federal assets embedded in the crowds.

When he said to pardon or release “all J6ers”, he was referring only to Trump’s supporters.

You knuckleheads have zero common sense.

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Where is this insider information coming from tvfan? Why would Trump pardon anyone n 2025 when he refused to pardon them in 2021?

Just as Ford pardoned Nixon for any acts he may have committed, Trump can do the same for anyone arrested for the J6 riots. But Trump turned his back on the rioters when they needed him most.

But tvfan will trot out the "deep state" defense for Trump's actions. She will claim that Trump is too weak to resist the deep state and had to be a doormat instead.

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Are you referring to “preemptive pardons” using a blanket pardon?

How exactly would that work during Trump’s last two weeks in office when he didn’t know who the FBI was going to charge and arrest? … Trump actually looked into it and tried it.

Oh, that’s right, you expect him to accomplish miracles since you believe he’s a wizard with omniscient powers.

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I'm referring to any sort of pardon or activity by Trump to help those who were arrested for trying to steal the election for him. Thinking about it or talking about pardons is not the same as trying. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/02/trump-considered-blanket-pardons-for-jan-6-rioters-before-he-left-office-00004738

There were arrests made for the Capitol riot prior to Trump leaving office, he did not even try to pardon them.

Trump was the one who said he could do anything per article 2 of the Constitution. No way Trump will ever stick his neck out for anyone. Especially not those suckers who tried to steal an election for him on January 6th.

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According to that article, he tried. Thanks for citing it.

Nice deflection, but you still didn't answer my question, how exactly would a preemptive blanket pardon work for those that were not arrested since Trump didn't know who they were and with less than two weeks remaining in office?

Show us the process of how that would work.

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What actions did he take other then "trying"? Did he issue a pardon and it somehow got thrown out? I think you do not understand the definition of the word "tried".

A preemptive pardon is issued that covers anyone who is alleged to have violated the law at a certain time and place. Giuliani, Meadows, Gaetz, MTG, Biggs, Brooks, Gohment and Perry all asked for preemptive pardons. They think it can happen. Trump says he can do it. It has been done before, starting with George Washington and more recently by Ford. https://www.jlegal.org/blog/can-a-united-states-president-pardon-himself/

How is it that you're so ignorant of this stuff?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-preemptive-pardon-requests-capitol-attack-2022-6?op=1
https://www.jlegal.org/blog/can-a-united-states-president-pardon-himself/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/07/21/president-trump-can-preemptively-pardon-his-advisors-and-family-but-will-he/#31d34cb56c3b

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You're still evading and deflecting from my question. None of that has anything to do with it.

I didn't ask for all those citations, everyone else has the same access to those internet scriptures. lol

There was no guarantee that any of those names you mentioned were going to be charged or arrested.

Once again, how would Trump go about a preemptive blanket pardon for hundreds of people that would be arrested/charged, especially when he didn't know who they were? And even if he did, what guarantee was there that they would be charged/arrested?

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You're asking me to determine how Trump will accomplish something? I don't know. I know that Trump thinks he can pardon anyone at any time. And I know that it is possible for presidents to do so as they have done so in the past.

If you don't like this explanation, then too bad. Go ask someone else.

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With less than two weeks left in his Administration, no names and no guarantees of anything. Yeah, not even a wizard.

But once again, according to your article, he actually made an effort and tried.

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Like it or not, Trump claimed he could have pardon them all. Your problem should be with Trump, not with me.

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Trump claimed he could have pardon them all.

Yes, once he's back in the WH.

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That is not all he claimed. Claiming that he will pardon criminals after he is elected is an empty promise seeing as how he is very unlikely to be elected.

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Trump is an optimist and you are a pessimist.

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......says the guy who actually thinks that there were federal assets embedded in the crowds. You are a fucking idiot.

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Trump and his band of barking seals claim that the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt was caused by Antifa, BLM and FBI agents. So why does Trump want to pardon them all?

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And also, assuming these Antifa, BLM, and FBI plants were real, how the hell would Trump be able to differentiate between the actual Trump supporters from J6 and the plants?

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well , he doesent have to , if he's pardoning them he clearly believes that keeping Trump in power by force rather than democracy is ok , so they should all be pardoned.

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Haven't they already ruled that he cannot pardon himself?

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LIberals love when it's Democrats inciting violence:

* Maxine Waters told demonstrators in Minnesota that they should “get more confrontational” if Derek Chauvin was acquitted.

*Harris said that "protesters should not let up!

*Pelosi "I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be. "

Here's the results:

"It was an increase of 4,071 assaults from 2019. There were 4,071 more officers assaulted in 2020 than in 2019. More than 60,000 law enforcement officers were assaulted in the line of duty in 2020, including more than 40 who were killed, according to the FBI."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/60000-officers-assaulted-2020-31-sustaining-injuries-fbi/story?id=80661264#:~:text=It%20was%20an%20increase%20of%204%2C071%20assaults%20from%202019.&text=There%20were%204%2C071%20more%20officers,killed%2C%20according%20to%20the%20FBI.

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Facts don't hatter to hard-core, liberal, Democrat, Socialists and leftists. It's not even worth engaging them in their psychotic delusions.

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Trump sound like one of those leftists who refused to hold democrats responsible after promising he would.

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-not-interested-pursuing-case-against-hillary-clinton-lock-her-up/

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Who is going to hold the Democrats accountable? Trump campaign on doing so in 2016, but as soon as he was elected he folded like a little bitch and refused to do so.

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-not-interested-pursuing-case-against-hillary-clinton-lock-her-up/

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He knew that the liberal Democrat Socialist and leftist political machine -- aided and abetted by the corrupt news media -- would never allow any pursuit whatsoever.

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Every single one of Trumps promises comes with an excuse for choosing not to deliver it.

If he knew that he would have no power as president, why run for office?

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Let's see if I have this right. All other presidents have the authority contained in the Constitution, but Trump requires the permission of the Democrats and media to accomplish his job?

Why do you want a person like Trump, with the spine of a jellyfish, to be president?

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Because he's not Kamala.

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[–] NukeDude (656) 7 hours ago
He knew that the liberal Democrat Socialist and leftist political machine -- aided and abetted by the corrupt news media -- would never allow any pursuit whatsoever.

But Trump is a turd. Why doesn't the RNC replace him with someone that has a chance of being elected? The RNC should not be going with a proven loser like Trump. It is like they are purposely throwing the election.

Why are you saying that Trump requires the permission of the Democrats and media to accomplish his job?

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Because at least half the US prefers Trump - for a variety of reasons - and other potential candidates didn't make their case before the American people.

At least there were other possible Republican candidates. The Democrats are stuck with Kamala...no other Democrat even got a chance to put themselves out there. And, due to the sick and sycophantic fawning over her and Tampon Tim by the corrupt news media...she may win it.

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[–] NukeDude (657) 38 minutes ago
Because at least half the US prefers Trump....

No way. You're joking, right?

The 2020 US population was 331 million people, only 155 million of them actually voted. Trump got 74 million votes. That is 49% of voters and 22% of Americans. None of those numbers is "at least half". Tell me you're drunk or on drugs, because no one is that stupid.

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First of all, that's my opinion.

Secondly,

Trump got 74 million votes.


That was the last election. I said "prefers" as of today. That includes registered voters, likely voters, undecideds, and Democrats who are rightfully disgusted with Harris and her Tampon Tim Veep.

People can express an opinion without having to read crap posts like yours. Stop throwing idiotic bombs from the safety of your mommy's basement.

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How did you obtain this information? Sounds like you're just passing off your uninformed opinion as fact. Super lame indeed. Why does making tampons available to girls for free in schools trigger you? https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/121A.212

It is a doubled edged sword. Why should I have to read crap like yours?

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Why should I have to read crap like yours?

But it's OK to read your cited propaganda and internet scriptures?

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I'm okay with if you are.

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Much as I agree with everything you say about Trump,
Those figuress seem to confirm NukeDudes "half" statement
You cant include the 180m that didnt vote.
Out of the ones that voted half voted for Trump.
We dont know what the ones who didn't vote want , we can only guess using the sample that did as a guide and that equals - half

That was back then, hopefully that 49% is a lower number today.

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I didn't include them at all. NukeDukes included them. Out of the ones that voted, less than half voted for Trump.

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[–] NukeDude (657) an hour ago
At least there were other possible Republican candidates. The Democrats are stuck with Kamala...no other Democrat even got a chance to put themselves out there. And, due to the sick and sycophantic fawning over her and Tampon Tim by the corrupt news media...she may win it.

There were others. But a current VP who has the endorsement of the current president is going to have a huge advantage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_candidates

Do you even look at what you post to ensure it makes any sense at all?

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Himself

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Hahahahahahaha You fools are still going with this Bullshit??? Hahahahaha DOPES

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