All of this hullabaloo, all this palaver in the USA over Trump from both sides is only because he's still alive and poses a strong threat to democracy and keeps his evil and stupid MAGA cult alive, but no-one's mentioned the inevitable heart attack or stroke from such a bad diet and poor health and such utter continued stress from his multiple indictments and court cases, that might cripple him, incapacitate him or just flat out kill him.
And when it happens, it will no longer be an issue, as the whole raison d'etre of MAGA will collapse, the GOP will hopefully see sense and go for a more reasonable presidential candidate, the USA will return to a sense of normality and sanity, and maybe, just maybe, there will be a major amendment to the Constitution to vet future presidential candidates to make sure they're mentally stable, not magnets for stupidity and ignorance and certainly not narcissistic.
Do ya think cancelling more oil leases like he did on day 1 of his presidency and contributed to Democrat party inflation will help the Democrats chances?
$5/gallon today. Say hello to $7.50 by next summer.
when a candidate says he will transition away from oil, thats what caused gas prices to spike.
“I would transition away from the oil industry, yes,” Biden said in the presidential debate's closing minutes under peppering from Trump. “The oil industry pollutes, significantly. ... It has to be replaced by renewable energy over time.”Oct 23, 2020
That is a funny picture! I do love how the extremists make themselves so easy to tag for orderly round-up in the future. At least, that's what the conspiracy thinkers believe.
Are you saying that foreign interference in the US election isn't something to be feared and has minimal effect after all and all that bleating about Russian bots getting Trump elected in 2016 was all for nothing?
No Buttercup, I'm just saying that YOU as a Non-voting and decidedly inferior Foreign Election Interferer, have almost ZERO, NADA, ZILCH of an impact on the election coming up in the USofA. 😉
We have it on record NorrinRad does not think Russian bots have any influence in the outcome of the US elections.
Nope!
Both Domestic and Foreign influence peddlers, Nationalist Sympathizers, Russian Troll Farms, some Republican politicians and useful tools like Dana Roharbacher, Jill Stein, Gabbi Tulsard, DJT, Alex Jones, Moscow Mitch McConnell, Paul Gossar, etc have actively worked to undermine the Democracy for the sake of an Imperial President in the visage of a defeated DJT.
Glad we are on the same page about something for once lol
Russian BOTS did have an impact of spreading disinformation and propaganda and changed the minds and then votes of some of those people YOU described as Not-Stable-Geniuses (AKA dumbest peoples === Your words NOT mine. 😂) who drank that Kool-Aid and voted against their own self-interests.
[–] Miyagido (2819) 2 days ago
What a shilly guy you are.
Please report to your "Dad" that a Voter from the USofA says, "What you are doing to Miyagido, (that would be you), is committing child-abuse. But since you're probably older than 21, then it must be Elder-Abuse." "Either way it is abusive." I'd tell him myself, but your "Dad" hides behind a man-child. 👍 reply share
[–] Miyagido (2822) 6 minutes ago
My dad at Nintendo said all this was just more lies and gaslighting , it was also longer than one word so I can't read it.
So noted, Miyagido can't read it.
Next time try Text-To-Speech and the App will read it for you, or ask your "Dad" to read it to you, or at you because there is not much you are able to comprehend. 🤣
Education system in your country of origin lacking?
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Next question is why did you spread lies and misinformation and claim he was?
[–] NorrinRad (4409) 21 days ago
As it stands now DJT has been found guilty of "Rape" in a Court-Of-Law already and is paying $5 Million and soon to be $10 Million because he can't keep his guilty yap shut.
You and your "Dad" must be unnerved to realize that this is a PUBLIC forum. 🤔
Discussion with Miyagido
Hey just wanted to say that never mind the other people in the thread reading your post, we both know right here you're backed into a corner so won't answer the question that proves the obvious blatant lie you still havent retracted.
I know it.
You know it.
I know you know it.
You know I know you know it.
Continue the farce all you want you pathetic deranged shill. We both know.
And I'll contine to hold your feet to the fire about it in every post I see you make.
Don't reply on here I won't read it.
Really? You think I am backed into your imaginary corner? Be my guest and attempt to hold onto your imaginary "High Ground" in a hole you've dug for yourself with no way out. When do my feet get to be toasty from this make-believe fire?
Why not just post your false bravado in NOT knowing that DJT is a Bonafide Rapist? I know it. You know it. I know, you know that I know you know, that you know it. There Aint no 'bout a doubt it! Album Title, Larry Graham, of Graham Central Station. 😉
Why are you pretending I sent you a private message? I obviously have no issue dismantling you in public because I do it regularly now! You don't need to play make believe just say what you want to say.
Hey remember that time you spread misinformation about Trump being found guilty of rape in a court of law?
[–] NorrinRad (4304) 21 days ago
As it stands now DJT has been found guilty of "Rape" in a Court-Of-Law already
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Look I know I lie a lot about Trump but I'm just so booty blasted about him beating my girlcrush Hillary that I never recovered. So it makes me lash out and shill for the Democrats on chat forums as a way to vent. Please don't take it personally, I know Trump hasn't actually done anything wrong but I am too entrenched with my tribe now and have to keep up the facade otherwise they will cast me aside and all I'll have left is my I'm With Her shirt.
You don't need to hold my feet to the fire anymore I'm sorry, that's why I finally answered the question you'd been needling me on. I know I posted publically that the fire was make believe but that was to save face, I obviously was backed into the corner that's why I finally answered it even though I tried to smear Trump while doing it. Yes, I know the standards of evidence in civil court are pathetically low in comparison to a criminal court, yes I know E Jean Carroll had zero evidence to back up her wild claims so zero evidence + low standards of evidence show the whole thing as farcical, and that her posting about loving Trump's tv show should have automatically disqualified her from attempting any lawsuit but my side is losing the culture war so badly we just need this make believe win against Trump to keep our flagging morale up and stop us all crying liike little girls all day. I mean obviously these indictments are going nowhere so we don't really have anything else!
Anyway please stop embarrassing me so much in public and no hard feelings
Forever your bitch, NorrinRad
Please stop sending me PMs, say what you have to say here.
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Also, me. There isn't a single word that I can't say or type about you in public for MAXIUM impact that I would have to put on a DM. 🤣
Oh, my. Miyagido is auditioning for "Pretty Little Liars". No only can't you vote in the USofA you are prone to prevaricating on the Donald trump board. Did "Dad" teach you that bit of deception?
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My dad who works at Nintendo said your pants are on fire.
Trump was recorded attempting to subvert election results in Georgia. He was caught mishandling classified material. He kept records of his false business statements. Everyone else (the little people anyway) goes to prison for that.
Some day Biden and Pence might answer for their own mishandling of classified material, but unlikely. They were not stupid enough to refuse to return that stuff when asked to though.
even the deep state is scared of the Clintons...they make people disappear. Obamas chef mysteriously drowned and the news doesnt report on that anymore...
Suzane Coleman — reportedly had an affair with Clinton. Was seven months pregnant at the time she was found dead of a gun shot wound to the back of the head, ruled suicide.
The video has a list of people who died, and zero evidence. So you lied when you suggested this video was evidence of anything other than it being a list of people somehow connected with the Clintons who died.
You think that your opinion trumps the law. But in fact your opinion is worthless.
I do know how the law works. What part of Trump's regulation, "bump stocks are machine guns" do you not understand. Trump was the president, he was allowed to do that kind of thing.
1. Trump was the president?
2. 27 CFR says "bump stocks are machine guns"
3. The president is allowed to amend the CFR?
None of the above are actual facts in your opinion?
It seems you have very little idea how the executive branch of the government works. You seem to think the president is a pussy, while everyone else knows that the president is a person with certain powers contained in the constitution.
1. Trump actually was the president for 4 years. How did you forget?
2. Trump actually had 27 CFR amended to say bump stocks are machine guns. It was not Trump's opinion, it was his regulation.
3. The Constitution authorizes the president to enforce laws by the use of regulations. It is in the Constitution; you should read it some time.
Even Trump does not think Clinton was guilty. He gave up on trying to do anything about her as soon as he was elected. Only suckers thought Trump was going to ensure Clinton was put in prison.
The fbi final report found Hilalry guillty of a crime. Peter Strzok changed it, at the last minute and for some strange reasons NO ONE IN THE FBI, said shit about that.
She was guilty, she got a pass because a DEEP STATER, gave her a pass.
Only the utterly ignorant, or the utterly disonest would claim otherwise at this point.
"One source told the news outlet that electronic records reveal that Strzok changed the language from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless,” scrubbing a key word that could have had legal ramifications for Clinton. An individual who mishandled classified material could be prosecuted under federal law for “gross negligence.”
He changed the wording, based on nothing but his political affilitation.
At this point, those that DENY the existance of the Deep State, are the goofy conspiracy theorists.
Trump gave Clinton a pass, and it is somehow my fault because you claim I supported Trump's actions? That makes no sense.
I did not change the subject. You claimed I was anti-civil rights and anti-freedom. I am not. But Trump is and you think that is just fine.
I would have liked to see Clinton in prison if anyone was willing to indict her and put her on trial. But Trump was unwilling to do so. What makes you think anyone else will?
Part of the double standard we are seeing is that some people who not want Trump held accountable for the things he does, the same kinds of things that would have people like you and me put in prison to wait for our trial.
Do you really think you could mishandle classified records like Trump did and not end up in prison without bail?
You are ignoring the double standard that exists before your eyes, right now. The double standard is allowing Trump to remain free to continue to mishandle classified documents he might still have in his possession.
The proper place for Trump right now, is in prison, while every property he owns is turned inside out until we can be sure that he is not hiding any other classified documents.
Clinton got called in to testify and never took the fifth. Trump acted like a mobster (his own words) and repeatedly takes the fifth, as is his right to do so.
Anti-Trump zeal? Of course it is. Trump is a filthy rapist and gun grabber amongst other tings.
No I specifically stated how you were constantly mentioning immigration. You yourself stated that deporting immigrants helps out working class whites. This is one of the reasons you said Trump was for working class whites since he believed in deporting immigrants. I then pointed out how Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. I did not just cite this fact out of the blue. So nope nice try. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than your idol Trump. Deal with it. The reason this upsets you is you can not dispute this fact. You then go well yeah but Obama's reason is this. I do not care about what you think his reason is I care about the facts. I do not care about what you think his reason is because I know you people work. If Trump does it since you like him it is for a genuine reason. If your opposition does it you are going to throw shade as a means to try and gaslight and discredit them. It is a good tactic but I am not fooled by it.
Another lie from you. I never once stated you had no right to vote for your blowhard loud mouthed idiot. I disagreed with your reason for doing so. You view anyone who disagrees with your reason as someone who has an issue with your voice. You did not just accept me refusing identification. You then proceeded to give a fill in answer. I like how you conveniently left that part out of you doing that as a means to talk trash. I like how selective your memory is very convenient.
No I actually am quite confident in my position. It is why I can cite facts you have no argument against.
1. Yes, I know why it came up in discussion. That was clearly not what I meant by lack of context. I repeatedly explained my meaning in the past, and have no desire to go over that again. YOu are GASLIGHTING here.
2. I have also repeatedly discussed that your stated position is that you support the right of working class whites to organize and advocate their interests, but that your ACTIONS show that you do not actually support our right to do so.
For you to again, pretend that that point was not covered, is again, you being a dishonest gaslighting troll.
I know you have no desire to go over it because you realize you were wrong. I am not gaslighting. I was just able to bring up something you had no idea how to refute.
My actions? Outside of this thread you have no idea what my actions are. I just disagreed with you about Trump being for working class whites. I think is snake oil that you bought.
You addressing it is not you refuting the point. Learn the difference.
Teh crux of the issue here, is the conflict of interest between my people, ie the white working class, and your people, ie illegals.
You, instead of being honest about that, and being willing to discuss that in good faith, attack us for our choice of leader, as though you care that we are choosing a good leader.
ALL the shit you have said, has been shit to try to hide from that.
No that is a narrative you have tried to push. You want to mention immigration. You then credited Trump for taking a stance on this and deporting immigrants. When I brought up how Obama deported more immigrants than Trump you went into Obama's reason for doing so. If Trump had deported more immigrants than Obama you would not question the reason. You would go look at the facts. Because in this case it is a democrat's therefore does not deserve any credit for it. Facts are facts. I do not care what you think the reasons someone did something. That is irrelevant.
I do not attack I call out someone for supporting a corrupt candidate. I do care about you guys choosing a good leader. I after all live in this country as well.
No it has not. Thing is you judge an immigrant and want them deported before even knowing a person. It shows you are a judgmental moron. So answer the question is something moral and fair because it is a law yes or no? I do not respect people who think because something is a law that automatically makes it moral. That is what you are doing. You are hiding behind that and claiming to have moral high ground. You are doing that because you are not illegal. I am not a drug addict. I however do think locking people up for only an addiction to substances is wrong. I unlike you care about people.
Correct. Trump's actions in deporting illegals, made sense in regard to his political agenda and ideology, while is clashed completely with Obama's. .
As I previously explained. Repeatedly. The way that you keep returning to points that we went over is kind of asshole of you.
Hey, remember when you tried to claim that you illegals only took jobs that Americans were too lazy to do?
That was some fine jive ass shit talk you were spreading.
You claim you respect our right to advocate for our interests. Give me an example of the interest of ours, that you most think that we are in the right and should have our way, vs someone other group.
Irrelevant. We are talking about the actions they took. I judge by actions not what comes out of their mouth. Trump said he would have the wall done and built. That was a lie as show it was not built. Actions speak louder than words. Someone can claim they believe in the well being of society all day. What do their actions show?
You explaining it does not change the facts of which I am talking about. Actions and results is what we are going by here.
Yep I do and I stand by that. Remember when you gave a fill in answer when I did not answer one of your questions?
That was some trash talk you were doing.
I do respect your right to advocate for your interests. I just do not think Trump does this like you claim. I think you think he does, but that does not make it so. Nope first explain to me why when someone says black lives matter the immediate response is all lives matter? I do not want to hear about the group. Why is it the sentiment gets disputed immediately? Would you do this to someone raising awareness about Cancer? Answer that and I will gladly give you a case where I support you guys advocating for your interests.
1. And again, as I said before, repeatedly. You do all you can to ignore obvious context to focus on irrelevant factoids, becasue you know that your position is completely bullshit. Your actions reveal that you know you are in the wrong.
2. You clearly do not respect our right to advocate. Your pretend concern about whether Trump represents your enemies well, is clearly bullshit on your part. YOu are attacking Trump, as an attack on the idea of us having a leader. You would/will NEVER met a discussion of our interests with a good faith response, but with gaslighting bullshit like you are doing now.
3. Becuase the premise of blm is false. As a society, we have had a consensus on equality for blacks since before most of us were born. The vast majority of us have grown up in an environment suffused with anti-racist propaganda. The idea that this is a society that is racist against blacks is retarded bullshit. Now if BLM was an orgnization tryhing to push down black on black crime, a REAL PROBLEM, then I would be happy to see them operating. Cancer of course, is a real problem. So, treated differently.
No actually what happened is you deflected to try to dispute a fact. Since you could not dispute the fact you had to then go into why you think Obama did it as a means to discredit it. Facts are facts. We are not talking about Trump or Obama's motives or ideology we are talking about the results of their actions. Period. The point stands about Obama deporting more immigrants than Trump.
No nice try. I am calling Trump exactly what he is. A snake oil salesman. The fact that you and others can't see that is why the country is in such chaos right now. Notice I do not sit there and say Biden is some saint nor a good president. The issue is you automatically think because someone is a republican that makes them a good candidate. Trump is a joke and you should know that.
No it is not. Simply because something is a policy does it mean it is honored or followed. You can cite that all you want. If you see someone breaking or not honoring a policy are you just going to go well this is what the policy is? The premise is not false by any stretch. It is saying black lives matter also. Do you know how many cops get away free with killing people in general? Racism still exists today to suggest otherwise is you being an ignorant fool.
1. Responding to a stastic with a discuss on it's meaning, is not a deflection. Your stupid insistence of limiting the discussion to one out of context factoid, is just you being an asshole.
2. You are responding to our advocating for our interests by attacking the legitimacy of our leader. This is a way to block us from EVER getting to advocate for our interests by constantly shouting us down, and drowning out any of our complaints, without ever allowing them any discussion.
3. You, of course, completely missed my point. The point is that this generations of policies, shows the massive and nearly universial support for the policies, which reveals the world view of America as a nation of seething white racists to be fucking retarded nonsense.
It is when you are attempting to discredit the fact and draw attention away from it. Do we judge a president based off words or results and actions?
Nope I am saying your reasons for supporting him are ignorant. Same way you would state you disagree with a democrats reasons for supporting Biden.
You missed the point. Just because someone says black lives matter does not mean they are saying these policies do not exist. It is people not liking how blacks are treated by the law. They feel in certain aspects they are treated unfairly. The judicial system treats blacks not as well on average. I already showcased how people with more money are treated better on average by the judicial system. Whites on average make more money. Also you did not address my point about how cops were getting away with corrupt things for a long time. Let me ask a simple question was what happened to George Floyd wrong?
1. Obama's overall political position and ideology is a bit more than "words". But I get it. You have to be dishonest to support your position, because it is a false postion. You are the bad guy here, and you know it.
2. Your specific complaint is irrelevant. The point is that with people like you, there is always some excuse to ignore the issue and to attack the legitimacy of the Voice. The end result is that even when we find someone to try, our interests are never heard on a national level. You are a gaslighting asshole for refusing to address my point here.
3. When someone says that BLM, the unstated premise is that it NEEDS to be said because our society does not hold that belief already.
That is an asserting that this country is insanely racist. Which is clearly not true.
Again irrelevant. We are discussing results and actions end of story. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did the point stands.
No you simply should have picked a better voice. Trump is a snake oil salesmen and you fell for it. He is garbage and any sane person knows that. I think you guys like him is because he triggers the left. I do not think it goes any further than that honestly.
If that were the case black people would not be incarcerated at a higher rate. The judicial system would not favor rich people over poor people. So no that is another lie from you.
1. You don't get to declare, "end of story". Your arrogance is noted and dismissed. Motive is relevant, only a gaslighting troll would claim it is not.
2. Your dislike of Trump is irrelevant. Your stupid spin on our choosing process is irrelevant. The point is, that asses like you ALWAYS have some bullshit "reason" to NOT attack any attempt on our part to advocate our interests.
3. Sure, they would, if they committ more crime. Which they do. The fact remains, this country is not racist. The entire premise is wrong and responding to it, is valid.
4. Stating that the country is not a seething pit of racism, does not justify a question like "so all racism disappeared after the 1960s. That tis the type of question that only a soulless troll would ask. Gof fuck yourself.
Yes I do actually. I get to declare that since all we are talking about is results and actions. Motive in this case is irrelevant. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump.
No you guys just choose poor candidates and get pissed off when we do not agree with your reasons.
Nope they get charged with more crimes. The judicial system favors people with more money. You yourself did not even deny that. So no wrong again.
You act as if all racism disappeared after the 1960's. So no the question is totally valid.
1. No, you don't. Motive matters and you just declaring it doesn't is just you being a shit.
2. You lefties always have some excuse to disrespect our attempt to advocate. That is you not respecting our rights. That is racism on your part.
3. Yes, they committ more crimes.
4. Me stating that this nation as a whole has had a bi-partisan consensus in favor of equality for blacks is NOT the same as "acting like all racism disappeared". My point was clear. The pretense of BLM, that this nation is seething with anti-black racism is false. That was my point. Please address THAT point, not one you make up.
Nope results matter. I like how Obama's motives get questioned and Trump's does not standard conservative tactic. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Donald Trump. Those are facts deal with it.
No you just choose bad candidates. Pick better ones if you want some respect. You choose bad candidates and then make excuses for how terrible of a job they do. Trump will go down as one of the worst presidents in history as it stands.
Nope they get charged with more crimes. The judicial system favors people who have money.
No I think you have a problem with a group speaking out for their best interests. You only want your group to be able to have a voice. It is okay though I am glad people can see through what a lying deceitful scumbag you are.
1. Sure results matter. ANd when discussing the person invovled, so does motive. Your denial of this is you being a gaslighting troll.
2. You always have an excuse to talk shit. Because you are dishonest.
3. They committ more crimes. Your denial is retarded.
4. My position has been clear. I want to have the same right to advocate my interests as every other group. Your claim otherwise, is just you being a dick. FUCK YOU.
Nope only results. Debating the motives is another topic altogether. I am glad to discuss the motives elsewhere but I was referring to the results. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. Deal with it.
You guys always choose a poor candidate. Pick a better candidate.
Nope they are charged with more. The judicial system treats people with more money better. You walking this back now? I would hope not otherwise you will make yourself look foolish.
Funny notice how you avoided answering the question about George Floyd? I wonder if you support what happened to him now? No you want your group to have even further advantages than they already have. White people on average make more money. Which means on average they are treated better by the judicial system. Enough with the foul language scumbag.
1. Your position here is retarded. Motives matter. Your denial is just you gaslighting.
2. Bullshit. You leftards always come up with something to whine about. You do not respect our right to organize and advocate.
3. NO, they are not. You are assuming widespread anti-black racism that simply does not exist.
4. Funny how YOU had to completely misrepresent my position before you even addressed it. That type of dishonesty btw, really shows just how credible your point in #2 is, ie not at all.
Nope not when we are judging the results. This was an attempt by you to deflect from facts. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump.
Nope. You just consistently choose bad candidates. You want respect then earn it. You do not get it for free. I respect your right but I do not respect your reasons or your candidates you pick. I have to respect your right but I do not have to respect your reasons or the candidates you pick. Trump is trash and so are your reasons.
Yep they are. The point stands the judicial system treats people with money better. Whites on average make more money. Those are facts.
And you avoided questions left and right. Was what happened to George Floyd wrong? Yes or no?
1. Except we were discussing whether or not Trump is the Voice of the White Working Class. In that case if he deports his illegals because of his sincere desire to represent the interests of hte white working class and Obama does it to lay the groundworkd for amnesty, then it does matter. But you knew that. You are just lying.
2.You say you respect our right, but you do NOTHING but attack us for doing it. You are a lying whore.
3. Another fact though, is that blacks committ more crime. They then are also disadvantaged by their less money, but neither of those is because of white racism. You are very good at stonewalling. You must have a lot of practice.
4. You pepper your posts with meaningless shit constantly. That I don't address every turd, is not me dodging, you fool.
However if the is reason is not sincere that means he is not the voice of working class whites. See I know your game. Anytime Trump accomplishes something it is for a sincere reason. If Obama accomplishes something there is ill motive. I do not believe Trump's motive to be sincere.
Nope I attack your reason and your candidate. Pick better candidates and have better reasons.
They get charged with more crimes correction. I did not say it was because of white racism. I said they are at a disadvantage.
Lol exactly no answer. You will not because you know you are full of crap.
1. Obama's actions did not match his agenda nor ideology. It is reasonable to question his motives. Trump had no such conflict, and indeed, all we required is that he was "sincere" in exchanging support for support.
2. You leftards always say shit like that, and you always are lying.
3. They committ more crimes. Only a fool or a liar would deny that.
4. You prepareed to make George your prime example of how wacist America is? Cause I'm not going to have you sleaze from one point to another, when I start to crush you like a small and retarded bug.
Trump used to be democrat before he was a republican yet you do not bat an eye. He has an ulterior motive as to why he wants to be president. It is not for genuine reasons. I unlike you do not care about the motive what matters is the results. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump the point stands. You can blab all you want about what you think Obama's motives are he still deported more immigrants than Trump. Take that fact and swallow it.
You conservatives always have bad reasons and terrible candidates. Do better if you want respect in those areas.
Nope they are charged with more. A common misconception and lie told by conservatives. You have been mislead I am sorry. Watch no hear come more curse words from you since you can't get me to buy into the lies you have told.
I asked if what happened to him was wrong. I mentioned nothing about race when asking that question. See you care more about protecting your political ideology than you do about a simple right and wrong issue. It is not right vs left it is right and wrong. Was what happened to him wrong? Yes or no? Oh and you have not been crushing anyone but yourself on here. You are so far blinded by your conservative beliefs you can't even see straight anymore. I honestly do not hang out with people like you. People like yourself are scum of the earth with no moral values.
1. Sure, he wanted to be President. He offered a platform designed to serve our interests. We thus gave him our political support. In office he seemed to give a good faith effort to deliver. Your talk of "ulterior motives" and "sincerity" seems to be projecting some need on us, for emotional connection or something, that we do not share. I don't need Trump to "feel my pain" or some such lib b.s.
2. You leftards always come up with some reasons to have a hissy fit to derail any serious discussion. Your "reasons" are no longer credible.
3. Your stonewalling is noted. The fact remains. Blacks committ more crimes. Your denial is retarded.
4. ARE YOU PREPARED TO DISCUSS GEORGE AS YOUR PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW WACIST AMERICA IS? Cause I don't want to even bother if as the first sign of you getting your ass kicked you will sleaze away to some other fag point. (fyi, that is my dismissing your stupid shit talk response. ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION)
Notice how you blatantly dodged how he used to be a democrat? Also no he has an ulterior motive. Idiots like yourself are too dumb to see it. In office he golfed more than Obama did in his entire run. He failed to build the wall and deported less immigrants than Obama. No he failed and is a joke of a president. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump.
You guys constantly choose bad candidates and have bad reasons. So no you are just dumb and so are your reasons. Take an IQ test you need one.
Nope the fact remains they get charged with more. The fact remains white people on average make more money. Which means they get treated better by the judicial system. Which in turn means charged with less crimes.
Nope your question is deceptive. I never said that is proof of America being racist. I asked if it was right or wrong. Ok let's flip it. Was Kyle Rittenhouse right to do what he did yes or no?
1. I didn't dodge it, I ignored it, becuase it was a retarded point. We all knew that, and it was considered and accepted. You bringing it up now, is a sign of how you are just tossing shit against a wall. Also, note how you failed to response to my response to your points I did reply to. What taht you "DODGING" or just you dealing with the fact that you ahve to pick and choose among the shit you keep throwing against the wall.
2. I have an historical example that proves you a filthy liar.
3. Blacks committ more crime. Only a fool or a liar would claim otherwise.
4. Your cowardice is noted. As to Rittenhouse, he was completely in the right to do what he did, from top to bottom.
Regardless you did that for a reason. I will play your game since you want to play semantics. You ignored it because you couldn't refute it. Fact Trump used to be a democrat, fact Trump deported less immigrants than Obama, fact Trump failed to build his wall, fact he golfed more than Obama did in his entire run. Deal with those facts.
Lol no you don't. You choose bad candidates. You also have garbage reasons.
Nope they get charged with more. Only a liar like you would deny that.
Lol see when I ask you about Rittenhouse you have no problem answering. Interesting huh? I wonder why that is? Seems a bit suspicious to me. Your bigotry and sleeziness is noted you dodging scumbag. This shows your behavior. It's all about defending your political ideology as opposed to right and wrong. Answer the question was what happened to George Floyd wrong yes or no?
1. Dude. You are talking shit. It is irrelevant that Trump was a dem. You are saying shit that doesn't mean shit, to confuse the issue.
I was at a convention recently in a small city, that has not yet been swamped by the tide from the Turd World. Plenty of those jobs that you said Americans are too lazy to do, food service, housekeeping, ect. being done by white Americans. Your justification for your crimes, is just shit talk.
2. I can demonstrate my point with an historical example. That you will talk shit about but not actually be able to refute with any logic.
3. You are talking shit. Blacks committ more crimes.
4. Fuck you. What does Floyd mean to you? Is it an isolated incident or is it supposedly proof of some systemic issue?
Nope totally relevant. Trump used to be a democrat. Him now running as a Republican goes against that ideology. This shows he can't be trusted. He will flip on a dime to whatever is convenient for him. So no you want to do that to others and not him. That isn't flying here.
I don't care about your personal observations. You are not credible at all. I won't be deported. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know it's your fantasy but it won't happen.
No you can't actually. It's why you don't.
Nope they get charged with more. Enough lying.
Nope answer my question. Notice how you answered the Kyle Rittenhouse question without hesitation? That speaks volumes you scumbag.
1. Neither I, nor anyone I have ever heard, has claimed that Trump was ideological. So, with all due respect, what the fuck are you even talking about?
2. LOL. You know it's true. Your point about Americans being too lazy was just shit talk. YOu have nothing but shit talk to justify or defend your beliefs.
3. Are you old enough to remember how much the leftard media loved John McCain?
4. They committ more crimes. Only a lying fag would claim otherwise.
It showcases he can't be trusted. Therefore it makes every policy and thing he says questionable. The point stands Trump was a former Democrat which you claim is an evil party. Therefore Trump is evil.
Nope I have seen it myself. I am willing to work jobs plenty of Americans wouldn't do. Employers know they can hire immigrants at a cheap price. Funny though you throw no shade at employers. Only the immigrants.
We don't judge off of media. You choose bad candidates constantly. You also have garbage reasons.
Nope they get charged with more. You already proved my point by agreeing that the judicial system treats people with money better. By that alone you lost the point.
It says a lot. It shows you have no issue speaking out on behalf of a white person who is in the right. Which see unlike you I can agree he has the right to do what he did. See I can grant you that. You however will go radio silent on George Floyd. You do that because you don't call out corruption unless it has your interest in mind. Was what happened to George Floyd wrong yes or no? I answered my own question about Rittenhouse. He has the right to do what he did. Let's see if you have the courage like I do. Watch I bet you dodge the question again. Unlike you I can give ground to you because I'm confident in my stance. You won't give ground it shows insecurity and lack of confidence. Typical conservative behavior though.
1. How does him being a dem in the past, "showcase" that he cannot be trusted? There is ZERO logic or sense to that claim. It is just shit talk. YOu form your sentences as though they are supporting arguments, but they don't actually support anything. You are just going though the motions of an intellectual argument, not actually DOING it.
2. Whoa. Wait a minute. "AT A CHEAP PRICE"? That is a new wrinkle. Big difference between being "lazy" and not wanting a "cheap" wage. So, now we see, it is not about Americans being "lazy" it is about third worlders being willing to UNDERCUT, American labor. Taking jobs and lowering wages.
3. It was not just the media. I focused on the media because you can easily find documentation of their good opinion of John McCain. John McCain was loved by people like you, ie leftards. Are you old enough to remember that, or do I have to support it for you?
4. THe fact that people with money get treated better in no way undermines my point about blacks committing more crime. Once again you structure your sentence as though it is a supporting argument, but it actually supports shit.
5. But, as you say, Rittenhouse was in the right. Floyd was a drug abusing criminal scum. Very different situations. AND, I am willing to discuss Floyd, I just want to know what you think Floyd means. So that when I crush you, you don't try to walk it back and pretend it didn't mean nuthin.
I'm going off of your logic here. You claim Democrats to be evil. Your candidate used to be one. It shows he can't be trusted because he flips on a dime. Oh my arguments are quite sound you simply can't refute them. He goes with whatever will support him not what he truly believes. He is corrupt and you are too dumb to see it.
Who says both can't be the case? Both can be true stud. Also who's more at fault the Employer for undercutting citizens of the immigrants for taking the opportunity provided to them.
Irrelevant I'm not discussing the media.
Nope you lost this point. So I won't be commenting further. Judicial system treats people with money better. Which turns out to charge less people with crimes. You lost here.
Floyd's past is not what we are talking about. Was what happened to him right or wrong?
1. Changing from a businessman to a politican is not a "dime". Your explanation for why this matters is meaningless noise. Or in other words, just more shit talk. YOu have nothing real to back up your assertions with.
2. We thus see that your pretense that illegals are filling jobs that would not otherwise be filled at all, is false. If not for your presence, the jobs would remain unfilled, UNTIL the employers were forced to raise wages. YOU illegals are thus, at primary fault.
3. I'm discussing leftards like you. And back in the 90s and 00s, leftards like you loved John McCain. I ask again, are you old enough that you were part of that and remember it, or do you need me to document it for you?
4. Blacks committ more crime. Only an asshole would stonewall on this like you are doing.
5. I'm not talking about his past either. I'm talking about who and what he was on the day he died. Why are you suddenly afraid to dsicuss the issue?
When his whole career he was a democrat then suddenly when it became convenient he changed yes that is exactly what it is. According to you democrats are evil therefore Trump is evil. I did not discuss businessman to a politician I said democrat to republican. Nice deception and twisting of words there but I caught you.
Nope it is true. There are plenty of white people who would rather be on welfare than work a job. So no you did not disprove this stud. No if the employers only hired citizens and did not hire workers for cheap our presence would not matter. So I ask the question again is it the fault of the immigrants or the employers employing them? Notice how you ran from that lol? Also if no one refused a job that would also help this big problem you are having. Once again though you do not want to throw shade at the employers only the immigrants.
Nope you do not get to deflect to John McCain. We are not discussing the media. You dodge my question so I will not be answering yours.
Nope you lost this point. So I won't be commenting further. Judicial system treats people with money better. Which turns out to charge those who are rich with less crimes. You lost here.
I am literally asking you if what happened to him was wrong. Was it wrong yes or no? Then we can move forward. Yes or no? You are the one who will not discuss the issue. You are attempting to deflect. You did bring up his past you said he was a drug abusing criminal scum. That is his past which I was not discussing. So no do not be deceptive.
1. I didn't say that you SAID it. I pointed out that that was when he needed to change, and the REASON for his change. That you pretended to not get that, even though I was perfectly clear, is you playing dumb so you can avoid admitting that your previous point was retarded as shit.
2. It is the fault of the illegals who are here ILLEGALLY and offering to work cheaper, thus artificially lowering the market price for labor, ie wages.
3. I am not deflecting, i am supporting my point, with an historical example. The way you are playing dumb to pretend to misunderstand that, that is your brain running and hiding because it knows that your position is bullshit.
4. But the blacks still commit more crimes. AFTER that point in the process, when SOME of them are caught and they become part of those CHARGED with crimes, then the relevance of money enters it. Both factors are true. Your pretnse that there is a conflcit, is just you talking retarded shit.
5. That was not his past. That was his PRESENT. That is relevant when discussing BLACK LIVES MATTERS, which was what that sub thread was about. You are playing dumb to avoid serious discuss because you are a moral coward.
He needed to change? How convenient for you to say. No he changed because he knew he could you fool you gullible idiots into voting for him. It was not for a genuine reason.
Nope it is also the fault of the employers as well. They hold accountability in this even though fools like you want to make them exempt from any blame or criticism. All the employer has to do is check citizenships and green cards. Oh yeah and not be cheap skates.
No you are deflecting. I could not care less about John McCain. He is irrelevant to this conversation.
Nope that is just the deceit you have bought into. My point stands those with more money get treated better than those with less money. You lost this point stop trying to hide your loss here please.
Lets get back to my question. Was what Derek Chauvin did to George Floyd right yes or no? Notice how you are running away from a simple yes or no question? This shows lack of confidence in your stance. You are running and refusing to answer the question and I am the coward? Dream on you fool. Answer the question! Yes or no?
1. Convenient for me? That makes no sense. I had no interest in him at that point in time. It is only AFTER he crafted a platform that served my interests that I had any care about him at all.
2. The employer does not control the labor market. That is supposed to be a POLICY issue of the government. Except that hte laws designed to control that are broken on a massive scale by the illegals. That makes the primary blame YOURS.
3. He is an historical example proving my point. Your stonewalling is you admitting that and running from the truth crying out like a child, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU".
4. Blacks committ more crimes. Later in the process, people with more money do better than people with court appointed lawyers. Your pretense that the latter somehow conflicts with the former, makes no sense. You are just spewing shit from your face hole.
5. You brought up Floyd to support your point about BLM. But, floyd does NOT support the premise of BLM. That is the only relevance of floyd to this discussion.
Like I said idiots like you believed the words he said. I judge people off of their actions not their words. You should try it sometime. Trump has bankrupted many businesses as well.
Lol does not matter. If you feel the government failed you there are ways to insure that only citizens work for you. So no nice try but you are wrong again. How do you feel knowing I will not be going anywhere? Would you approach an immigrant and speak this trash to their face? Or only on here?
What point are you even making with John McCain? How the media liked him?
Nope untrue. I have seen how the system works and taken many legal classes. This is a lie you have bought into from the maga type and right wing lies.
Nope I was asking a simple yes or no question. I was seeing if you were unbiased or at least somewhat fair. You answered about Rittenhouse without hesitation. That speaks volumes and you know it.
1. When judging a politican, especially a new one, there was no record to look at. His opponents all had records of doing BADLY. Trump was thus the best choice. Your refusal to admit this is just you beig a dick.
2. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the primary fault is yours.
3. Seriously dude? I put numbers on these points so you can more easily follow. Your pretense of being stupid is tiresome. Unless you are really this stupid. My point, that I made over and over and over again, is that you people constantly pretend that it is our choice that you don't respect, when really it is our RIGHT to even HAVE a leader that you do not respect.
4. Which is irrelevant to the fact that blacks committ more crimes.
5. BLM is based on the premise that our society, at least whites in our society do not put any value on the lives of black people. FLOYD makes it look like our society does not put any value on the lives of criminal druggie scum. Beyond that, he is irrelevant and I dont care.
Lol so because he had no record that made him the best choice? What an embarrassing thing you just said wow! He had records of doing slimy things business wise and ethically. So no code of ethics comes into play as well. Maybe not political records but he had records.
I believe the primary blame is employers. So we can agree to disagree.
I already discussed this time and time again. So I am not allowed to disagree with your choice of candidate or reason is what you are basically saying. No you can take a hike with that mentality. I never said someone does not have a right to support Trump. I however do not need to agree with your reasons or think he is a good candidate. The fact that you are trying to deny this is because you know you are wrong and have to demonize me.
Nope it is totally relevant wrong.
So was what happened to him right or wrong? Had I said I do not care if Rittenhouse was right or wrong you would have come unglued. Now answer the question. I do not care if you care. Was it right or wrong?
1. It is clear I was referring to political record. And I standn by that. The rest of the choices had NEGATIVE recoreds, while Trump has no record. Please drop the acting retarded shit. You are not fooling anyone.
2. Aw, you let yourself and your family off the hook? How surprising. Meanwhile the fact remains. Your claim that you only take jobs that Americans won't do, has been revealed to be false.
3. You didn't say it. YOu SHOW it with your constant finding of excuses to attack every attempt. John McCain is an historical example that documents my point, which is why you are stonewalling now.
4. HOw is it relevant? Explain. Don't just assert it like a fag.
5. I have not given it a lot of thought. What I do notice is that it does not support BLM. Which was the topic we were discussing.
So it is better for someone to have no political record then? This is some of the worst logic I have ever heard. Just because Trump had no political record does it mean that makes him a good candidate.
Nope plenty of whites will gladly collect welfare as opposed to working so no actually. Sorry but that is the truth.
Nope I just see through your stupid reasons. You call that attacking.
Because if you have money certain crimes will not stick to you the same way it does to those without money. Therefore it skews the stat line. Rich people can get away with way more than someone without money. Are all stats recorded accurately and fairly?
Oh please. That is a bold faced lie from you. BLM is not what I was referring to. Why can't you just answer the question? Was it right yes or no?
1, If the alternative is people with BAD records, then yes. This is a simple concept. The bit where you are playing stupid so you can not get it, and still talk shit, is you being a faggot.
2. People like you lower the wages to the point that it is not worth taking the jobs. That is on you. That is not being lazy, that is the job market being shit.
3. Except, I have an historical example that proves otherwise. And you know it. That is why you stonewall.
4. You can look at stats that track crimes reported by victims. That avoids the whole court system, and that shows blacks committing more crimes. YOur denial is you being a stonewall faggot.
5. The whole point of bringing it up was to support the concept of BLM. That was the context. Did you lose track of your own argument again? That happens a lot when you are lying. Hard to keep track of shit talk.
The fact remains. Floyd does not support that premise.
Your opinion and I think that is a dumb point. That does not automatically make him a good candidate. You could argue the lack of experience or record is a negative.
Nope that is a you problem. I live a successful life that I have worked hard for. I will not be leaving so you are going to have to deal with it. Employers are the ones to blame not me.
Nope that is you generalizing lefties. I can do the same to conservatives as well. So when talking to me no you do not have a historical example lol.
You did not answer the question yet again. Are all stats measured accurately and fairly?
Nope it was to see if you were a fair and unbiased person. You as clearly shown are not. Also BLM as a group we were not discussing. The sentiment of BLM I stand by. You are no doubt an all lives matter buffoon. Do you like Kanye West?
The fact remains that I was not referring to BLM with Floyd. You won't answer because you know it will destroy your confidence.
Your opinion. I think the lack of experience makes him a worse choice.
Nope it is you only wanting to place blame in one area. I am illegal and proud of it. I do not care what some idiot like you thinks.
Exactly my point.
Nope we are not discussing the group but the sentiment. There are many ways in which we feel blacks are not treated equally. My Floyd question had nothing to do with BLM. I see though you will not answer it. This shows you have no faith in your stance. Typical of conservatives though.
1. You would choose someone with a proven record of fucking you over someone who doesn't? Sure you would. LOL.
2. You are the primary group causing this facet of this problem. The blame is yours.
3. lol. Some stats are more trustworthy than others. Tracking victim reports of their attackers is pretty good.
4. I answered. I have not given it a lot of thought. Floyd does not support hte BLM message. That is his really only relevance. His failure to support the movement he is a poster child for.
So you deflected by using him as an excuse since apparently you have no counter-argument or a proper rebuttal. lol, It is no surprise that you leftists are all the same.
I do have an interest in staying here. Just because of that does it mean I have a problem with a particular group. Guess what I will not be leaving either. Go ahead and make me leave. Good luck deporting me.
I do not believe that either. If that were the case they would have supported Obama strongly since he deported more immigrants than Trump did. You guys support Trump because he is a loud mouth idiot. Also plenty of immigrants were willing to work hard jobs that whites were unwilling to work. So no that is a lie from you actually.
Your inability to be honest about Obama shows how low you will sink to defend Trump. Face facts.
I am honest. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump lol. Dispute that or concede to being wrong.
You want to stay, and access AMERICAN JOBS. We want those jobs for AMERICANS.
That is a real conflcit of interest. That you cannot be honest about that, is you being afraid.
As well you should be. If illegals and their supporters were honest about how much you don't care about America or Americans, America would deport you.
But, shit talk confuses the issue, for some people, and you get to stay.
We are willing to do jobs people here were too lazy to do. We also will do it for a much cheaper price as well. No you just do not want us here. If you were honest about that you would have forced the people here to work them instead of letting them collect welfare.
Nope you just like to demonize immigrants. It is okay I am used to idiots like you I am used to it. I will not be going anywhere and there is nothing you can do about that. I am here to stay sorry to burst your bubble.
Nah if what you said was true you would be in love with Obama. You dislike Obama simply because he is a democrat.
2. I am not demonizing anyone. Stating the obvious, ie that you are here to access jobs in the American job market is hardly making you out to be demonic. BUT, as I already said, you are the one doing wrong and you know it, so you LIE in order to confuse the issue, so that America does not deport you.
3. Remember when you tried to defend Obama with the argument that "no one every does something they don't want to do"? That was such a retarded lie from you. That you have to tell such a stupid lie, shows how weak your position is. YOU ARE THE BAD GUY.
Funny why are you asking me all these questions when you refuse to answer questions of mine?
You are demonizing immigrants that much is clear. Nope I have never lied, my employer knows I am an illegal immigrant actually. So another baseless accusation from you.
I never claimed that. That is another lie from you. I said people typically do not do what they do not want to do. Sometimes people are obviously forced into doing things by circumstances. It still does not change the fact that Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did.
1. So, that's a no. The claim, "jobs Americans too lazy to do" is a retarded lie.
2. You wanting our jobs, is hardly "demonic". You are TALKING SHIT, becuase you cannot honestly defend your actions or your political position.
3. BULLSHIT. You dismissed my point about Obama being on your side, because he deportedd illegalls, and explictly stated that people do not do what they don't want to do.
I did not answer. So nice try but you do not get to fill in whatever answer is convenient for your narrative.
No your actions and your hostility towards immigrants is you demonizing them. I am an illegal immigrant and I bet you I am a more moral person than you could ever dream of being.
Nope I did not. I never made that statement. You are twisting my words and you know it. It is okay though if I had buried myself as far as you have I probably would start lying as well. No actually on second thought I would not stoop as low as you. I am of a higher class than you so no I take that back.
1. You claim that you illegals take jobs that Americans are "too lazy" to do. This is you talking shit to justify your bad behavior.
2. My having a complaint against your actions against me, is not "demonizing" you. This is you talking shit, because you are unable to defend your actions honestly.
You did not just have a complaint against illegal immigrants. You view all of them in a negative light and want them all deported. That is you demonizing them.
I like how you dropped your fill in answer you tried to pull. You did that because it was you talking trash nice.
Your wishes and laws? Wishes are feelings not laws. Also just because something is a law does not mean it is moral. Do you agree with every single law?
There are valid complaints to be made but just because someone is an illegal immigrant does not mean they are bad people. I like how you also ignored my proof about how immigrants took jobs Americans were unwilling to work. That is you being afraid to address that point.
I take responsibility for my actions. I just do not hide behind a law and act as if it is the end all be all judgement for morality like you seem to.
I could not care less who you want them for. I want them for people who are willing to work hard and do the job right.
Lol yeah because petitioning will change the way our countries do their laws and will cater to our way of life. It is like someone who is born rich telling someone who is homeless to pay for food. Sometimes people are backed into a corner. Is stealing okay of course not but would you steal if it meant feeding your family? The dynamics change depending on the situation you are in. You are too ignorant to get that. You have the lock them up and throw away the key mentality on any person.
Trump did not serve the interest of the people. He deported less immigrants than Obama and he failed to deliver on his wall. That was a lie. I think it was funny idiots like you believed he would build it. Shows how gullible you are.
But in this case, my wishes ARE laws, hence my use of the word "and". So your entire response to that was just shit talk.
Your proof was nonsense.
You are constantly dismissing and lying about my valid complaints.
Your pretense of attaccking Trump for being LESS deporting of you people, is you talking more shit. YOu oppose Trump becasue he is opposed to you being here, while Obama was not. Cease your shit talk.
And again just because something is a law does it make it moral. Which is why I also said that. Nice attempt at a dodge but I caught you.
My proof was nonsense how? Oh because you said so or because it disproved your view? Dispute the proof or you need to concede.
Nope I just can point out hypocrisy from you.
Obama did not support illegals crossing illegally. He after all deported more of them than Trump did. No I do not buy your reasons as to why Obama did it either. Which is actually why I do not support him or Trump. Both of them have stuff against immigrants and I am one myself. So enough with the trash talk from you. Grow up.
1. We were discussing your false claim that you illegals take jobs that Americans are too "lazy" to do. Now you, didn't conceed that point, but you are moving on to a completely different point about morality. That is circular debating, which is a form of shit talk.
You do that when you KNOW that you are in the wrong on an issue.
2. It was a poll. We are discussing a matter of economics, not popular opinion. You flood a labor market with excess labor, they willl take jobs and lower wages. Your denial of this is just you talking shit.
3. Shit talk.
4. Obama wanted amnesty. His tough talk about deporting people was to give him political cover for that. The idea that you as an illegal are attacking Trump on his not deporting enough of your people, is you doing shit talk. You are afraid to admit the truth. You want to be here for American jobs, and you know that that hurts American workers, and you don't care.
I did not concede that point because it is true. Illegal immigrants are willing to work tough labor jobs at a cheaper price than lots of Americans. These big corporations hire them because it is cheap labor. I love how folks like you want to shift all the blame onto immigrants but do not care about the folks who hire them. You denying that there are citizens unwilling to work and would rather collect welfare? I did not divert. That was you. Notice how you dropped your fill in answer when I called you on it? That is what you do when you are proven wrong. You dodge.
Rather than taking issue with the immigrants, people should take issue with the companies that hire illegals. Conservative are like this though. Always wanting the big corporations or companies to get away free while crucifying the illegal immigrants. If you truly believed your claim the companies would be punished and Americans who are here should be denied welfare and forced to work these tough jobs. If you do not support that you can go ahead and stay silent on this issue.
Not at all. You dislike my statements.
I do not believe you actually. I think that is a lie from you. I do want to be here for American jobs that is the only thing you got correct. If you wanted the employers punished I would respect your point. As it stands you can stay quiet and learn your place. The point stands Trump failed to build his wall and deported less immigrants than Obama. I do not care what reasons you think Obama did it for the facts do not change. Accept them and get yourself back to work.
1. You changed the subject to "morality", moving away from your clearly false claim about Americans not wanting those jobs. You keep bringing up other factors, because your core argument is clearly retarded. Your new arguments are just as retarded, but at least they are less iimportant so I guess you consider that progress? j
2. And more shit talk from you, just assuming shit you want to think I think about employers.
3. DUDE, you are doing NOTHING now, but talking shit.
4. You admit that you want those jobs. Thanks you for that small bit of honesty. Those jobs have value and are AMERICAN jobs. I want AMERICA policies to keep those jobs for AMERICANS.
You want AMERICAN policy to benefit YOU, and other NON-AMERICANS.
That is a conflcit of interest. That is the basis of our confict. YOUR shit talk about Trump and me are just you attacking us, while not having the balls to be honest about WHY you are attacking US.
No I did not back away from my claim that immigrants were willing to work jobs Americans were not. I stand by that claim. You brought up your wishes and law as if they go hand and hand. Your wishes are irrelevant. Had you simply said the law states this you would have more ground to stand on. Since the law in this incident coincides with your wishes you want to act like your wishes matter when in reality they do not. Anyway acting as if something is right because it is a law is not logic I follow. Lots of things that are or were laws are or were immoral.
Oh no it is the truth. You will not shift an ounce of blame on employers only the immigrants. I see this time and time again from you people.
No that is you bud. I am not the one who uses foul language when someone disagrees with me.
I could not care less what you want. Tell me should I pack up and leave because you do not want me here? So my mom should pack up her belongings and we all should leave the country because you do not want us here?
Of course I want it to benefit me I have never stated otherwise. I am an immigrant are you dumb?
Me pointing out facts about Trump is not trash talk. He failed to build his wall and deported less immigrants than Obama. No trash talk there those are facts. Be an adult and handle facts maturely please.
This is what I want. I want Trump to get elected, and deport large numbers of you illegals, AND secure the border so that you cannot just slip back in, AND reduce legal immigration, as he did last time AND reduce trade access for our shitty trade partners to our market,
then we can see more jobs for American workers, and rising wages.
That is a valid goal of American policy.
You are an outsider, and are against that, because you have your own interests that conflict with that.
That is what this is about. That you dislike and attack Trump is because you think he would be GOOD for America and Americans.
I could not care less what you want. I want what is best for this country and I do not believe you have the country's best interest at heart. I think you have conservative white people's best interest at heart. Which is not the best interest of the world, you only care about your group.
American employers hired immigrants. You want to blame anyone they are the ones to blame. As usual though you would rather shift blame onto the immigrant rather than the source.
My interests do conflict with that because I am an immigrant. I also do not believe immigration does all the damage you conservatives claim it does.
I also dislike and attack Obama since I do not agree with him either. I dislike Trump and him both because they are horrible presidents. So no your lie is dismissed. Get back to work. We will see if you get your way. I highly doubt you will.
No it is calling it what it is. A group only caring about themselves and nothing about the world's best interest needs to be called out. I support what is best for the country not just one group. I do not view immigration as this horrific thing like you do. I think there are things in this country which are far more damaging that you and the right willingly support.
No you are now projecting. How tolerant are whites when people say Black lives matter? What is the immediate response they give? All lives matter! That completely misses the point and is a convenient way to ignore the sentiment.
I believe racism can occur towards whites as with any race. You will hear me call out any wrongdoing by a liberal or republican. Unlike you I will call out corruption no matter where it comes from. Your interests matter but when I feel you are trying to suppress others I am going to call you on it.
Every left person is racist? Interesting where is your facts to prove this? Want to provide the data of how you came up with this little claim you made? Not anecdotal experiences I want undisputable facts of how you can make this claim. Notice I never said all republicans were racist. Or excuse me in your words wacist.
1. Us wanting to have our interests represented in national policy does not mean we don't care about other groups.
2. Whites have been stupid tolerant of blm assholes.
3. I am glad you have the decency to agree that racism can occur towards whites. Note I am NOT going to gloat about your "concession" over and over again, like a fucking asshole.
4. I base my assertion about lefties being racist, based on my observations, and the completely lack of a leftard that is NOT racist towards whites.
I agree but in your case that is what's going on. You only care about your group.
Not talking about the group of BLM. And no the minute that gets says all lives matter leaves their mouth. So no that is a lie.
I never said racism couldn't occur against whites. So you gloating about a concession would be a lie. I had nothing to concede to since I never denied it or claimed otherwise.
Nope not your personal feelings or experiences. Where are your objective facts for this claim? I don't care about your anecdotal experience I care about facts. Provide them or admit you are wrong.
Much like your fill in answer was unsupported of me. So it is okay for you to do this but others can't? You being a hypocrite?
Nice backpedal. No they have not. The moment you say black lives matter they do not even take a breath before yelling out all lives matter! That is a convenient way to ignore a sentiment or message. Do you ask a person wearing cancer awareness shirt about Alzheimer's? Or do you respect that they at bringing awareness to that specific illness?
I never gloated about a concession. You said you are not going to gloat about a concession over and over again. Yeah that much is obvious since I did not concede to anything.
Lol here we go. So you want to make a claim and say all leftists are racists. Then I say okay what do you have to support that? You give anecdotal experiences. Not the way it works. I do not have to take your experience as truth. You presented no facts. Notice I did not say I feel like in my experience white people on average make more money. I have facts and stats to back it. You got schooled here bud. Also keep the language classy.
1. Just because I want my group's interests represented, only an asshole would claim that means I don't care about other people.
2. Your claim is retarded shit. We, as a society have been stupidly accepting of blm. You point to some people talking back as though that defines our reaction to them? THey rioted and burned dozens of cities and the response was a limp wristed as could fucking be.
3. And now you are shit talking again. What a loser you are.
Lol nice attempt to paint a narrative. If black people did that you would call it like that and you know it. I am not going to to play this game with you. Paint whatever narrative you want.
All your talk about attacking what I believe is self serving shit talk on your part.
I am a patriotic American. I want the interests of me and mine represented in national policy, while wanting good results overall for the nation as a whole.
You are an outsider who wants YOUR group's interests served, interests which CONFLICT with America's.
You won't even tell me what country you are a citizen of.
You mean the way you gave a fill in answer about a question of yours I did not answer was not self serving on your end? So you can dish that out but can't take it got it.
I do not believe that at all. I do not buy your false patriotism. I think you only have your group's interest at heart even if it is to the detriment of the country. You demonize immigrants while not placing any blame on employers. This shows you are not genuine.
You gave a fill in answer. The minute you did that it showed your lack of maturity. Explain to me why I should tell you that after you pulled that? Would it change anything? You want me gone from the country regardless of where I am from. What purpose would telling you that serve?
Before Trump my group had NO VOICE in national poiicy.
I want the same rights as every other group of citizens.
That does not mean that I do not care about other people in my country.
Only an asshole would assume it would.
Only a racist asshole would ONLY do that, with white groups.
As to where you are from, it does not matter much, where you are from BUT, it would be relevant to show that you have a national government that is pursuing YOUR interests, which is the way it is supposed to be.
Blatant lie from you. Your group holds the majority of power. Most politicians and rich people are white. Which give them more power and freedom. That affects national policy since they have the power to influence it.
You have the same rights you are simply delusional.
I agree but I see what's going on in your case. Nice trick but I see through your deception.
I don't do that to any group. I simply call out lies from people when they are said.
So therefore as I originally claimed it is irrelevant. Had you not given that fill in answer I would have humored you. Because of that no I won't. You lost that privilege of knowing. Start acting more mature then I will be more cordial. No more foul insults and language you understand me?
1. Aw, how cute, you oh so convientently "forgot" we were discussing my group, Working Class Whites. You talk CONSTANT shit, to resist any attempt by my people to advocate for their interests.
2. YOur dismissal of my demand for equal rights is noted. You are a racist asshole.
3. You have done nothing to support your assumption. Other than being a racist asshole.
4. I might believe you, except, I wasn't born yesterday, AND I have seen you shit talk quite a bit in this thread.
5. Me knowing your actual government, show that I could show how that government is your actual government, is hardly irrelevant. So, your point is, again/still just more shit talk from you.
Politicians are working class whites. Lots of rich people are working class whites. So um no you apparently do not understand the meaning of that term I guess.
You already have equal rights. That is why I dismissed it.
Yes I have. On average white people get more jobs and make more money. That is an objective fact. That supports my assumption. It is you who does not support your claims. Also the judicial system treats those with more money better than poor people. That is also an objective fact.
Could not care less if you believe me. Find any place where I have resorted to vulgar foul language like you. Also you threw out the term racist before I did. A term you can't stand unless white people use it. It is okay for you guys to use it but no one else can.
Yeah well had you been civilized and not given a fill in answer I would have told you. You giving a fill in answer when I did not answer it was trash talk on your end.
1.THe idea that politicans are Working Class Whites, is pure shit talk. You are shit talking becasue you CANNOT grant working class whites the same rights as everyone else.
2. YOur dismissal of my demand for equal rights is noted. You are a racist asshole.
3. That's not what we were even talking about. YOu talk in circles to be a stonewallling asshole.
4. You are being a racist asshole. My callilng you that is called for.
Lol ok then so who counts as working class whites then? Define it since you have your own view of what it is.
Not when you already have equal rights nice try. Dismissed again.
Um yeah I provided facts for my assumption. On average whites make more money, get more jobs and the judicial system treats those with money better. Those are the facts which support my assumption.
No I am not actually. You are doing that as a means to gaslight.
So you denying your fill in answer was trash talk? At least be man enough to admit to what you were doing. No need to get vulgar that is what incels do. Grow up and debate rather than sitting up here cussing me out all the time. I have seriously tried to be civilized. Not once have I used that type of language to you. Start behaving.
And why does that the only factor for working class whites? You realize working means just that working.
Um yes you do. I just do not support your political ideology. Just because I disagree with you does it mean you do not have equal rights. You disagree with blm sentiment then? Does that mean you oppose them getting equal rights?
No I am not. Funny how you can use the insult racist but no one else can.
I am not trying to gaslight at all. You asked me to support my assumptions. I gave you facts for my assumption.
2. I didn't ask you to support my political ideology. I asked you to respect our right to advocate for our interest. Did you really forget that? How fucking stupid are you?
3. Sure you are. YOu move from one topic to another, constantly. It is like trying to nail down fog. Very common with leftards. On some level, you people know that your beliefs are shit.
You just narrowed it down to high school diploma and low to middle income.
I did respect it. When did I say you had no right to vote for Trump? I disagreed with your reason for doing so. Stop with the language man seriously. Get a better vocabulary.
No I am not. No you asked me to provide facts I did.
Nope. Obama deporting more immigrants than Trump fact, whites on average getting more jobs and making more money fact, the judicial system treating people with money better fact. That is stonewalling lol?
1. You asked me to define working class. So I did. What is your point here? Are you denying that workign class whites are working class whites?
2. Do you ever question the REASONS of any other group, to advocate their interests? Or do you just respect that they do so?
3. You provided shit talk. You are an asshole.
4. Yes, it is. It is stupid shit, that does not address anything. Remember when you claimed that Obama had to WANT to deport illegals, since he did it, because no one does something they don;t want to do? That was you being a shit talker. That was such a fucking retarded thing to say, there is no way you are really that stupid. That was you talking shit.
I asked if those are the only working class whites? You then narrowed it down to high school diploma and middle to low income. That negates the rest of the working class whites outside that criteria.
I question everything. So yeah I absolutely do question it. I heard their answers and did not agree with their reasons.
Likewise. You did the same by giving that fill in answer. You talked trash as well.
The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than your pathetic excuse of a president. I do not believe you on your reasons you say Obama did it. So I stand by what I said. I love rubbing that fact in you Trump supporters face. It makes me laugh how upset you guys get on that fact. I am now annoyed at your rude behavior. I have not cussed you out and have been civil by my patience is running thin with you now.
1. Like who? What is your fucking point? DO you even have a point?
2. Bullshit. I never see leftards question any group advocating their interests, except whites.
3. Nope. I'm here to have talk truth. YOu are the shit talker.
4. You stated that no one does something they don't want to do. Only a complete shit talker would say somethign that retarded. EVERYONE has to do shit they dont want to do, and you claimed it doesn't happen. That was you being a MASSIVE shit talker.
See why did you ask this question then? You ask the question I answer and you fall back to your biased generalization. Okay I will throw one back. I never see any right winger question any group advocating for their interests except blacks.
Lol no. That fill in answer was trash talk and you know it. You are a liar and I deceitful person.
Once you own up to admitting your fill in answer was trash talk we can address that. I admitted I misspoke on one scenario you have not shown the maturity I have in this exchange. Address your fill in answer. Why did you do that?
1. Different situations and interests. What is your point in this line of questioning? Do you even have a point?
2. The point has been made. You people only question White groups.
3. Nick Fuentes is a fringe figure, an actual White Supremacist. Hardly representative of any mainstream group. That you had to go to him, proves my point. The Right has no problem with black groups advocating black interests.
4. I am not going to forget your shit talk. Your stonewalling makes you look like a fag.
How so? I want a clear criteria is why I am asking.
Then do not ask me that question if you already have the answer you think it is. Dumb on your end. That was trash talk. I do not believe you but I will not bother answering questions from you if you are going to be disenguine like that.
1. And I have answered. So now what? What is now different that you now know that?
2. You are having a hissy fit to dodge the point. Common behavior in liberals that have lost a debate.
3. Pathetic. These are very small, and fringe figures. You made a claim about The Right. To support it, you would need national figures or better yet, long standing policies. That you cannot do that, proves MY point, that hte Right respects the right of blacks to advocate their interests. and your claim otherwise is false.
I simply disagree that working class whites is only that category of people.
Lol nice gaslight attempt. The point stands you talked trash and are trying to deny it.
Lol your denial is telling. I proved my point that there are right wing people who do not respect black people's rights. There are terrible right wing people, I know this is shocking for your pea brain to comprehend. You can not prove that all liberals are racists either. I would never state all republicans are racist because I realize unlike you there are good and bad people no matter their political affiliation. Keep on being ignorant though.
Likewise. You talk trash as well. Cowards can't own up to being wrong. I admitted when I was wrong you have not.
3. LOL. You are citing extreme fringe figures to try to define a mainstream movement. I cited long standing and widespread lefty policies supported by the dem party and every dem president since johnson.
Dems/llbs support racist policies, ACTUALLY racist policies. That makes them racist.
4. NOpe. I am a good person here in good faith. You do stupid shit like gloat becasue I agree with a point you make. That makes you an asshole.
So now you are denying you gave a fill in answer? No I actually have proof of you doing that. So no that is a lie on your end not mine.
And you just undercut yourself. You can't prove that every single liberal is racist. Anytime you try to blanket everyone in a political affiliation that way you are bound to be wrong. Which is why I did not say every single republican was racist. Unlike you I do not say stuff and undercut my own point.
Nope they do not. Another lie from you.
Nope you are actually a rather terrible human who deserves no respect. I already stood corrected on that particular point. You giving fill in answers and not apologizing for it makes you a rude person. I am not the one who uses foul language and acts rude. That is you. It is okay though jerks like you lead a very miserable lonely life. Therefore you need to vent out your frustrations online because in the real world you are nobody significant.
1. That's nice. So, what the fuck does your personal definition of the word mean to the dicussion we are having? Cause it sounds like meaningless bullshit designed to confuse the issue so that you can hide from the fact that your position makes no sense.
2. You are full of shit.
3. Modern lib policies are massively based on anti-white discrimination. It might be POSSIBLE to find a confused person that identifies as "liberal" while not supporting any of the racist policies that modern liberalism supports, but I have never seen it yet. Unless you have, how about you stop the stupid shit talk.
4. Of course they do. You can't discriminate in favor of minorities without discriminating against whites. It is a zero sum game. Only a complete retard cannot see that.
Because I cited politicians, and high income whites as working class whites. You dismissed that. What this shows is you think the world functions off your definition. This was deceitful from you.
Nope that would be you. I caught you doing that and now you are lying.
Lol that is not what you originally said. You said all liberals are racist every single one of them. So now are you conceding to being wrong? I find it funny how you backpedaled here. Keep burying yourself further. I like schooling people like you.
No they do not. Funny then why is it you are not outraged about how the judicial system discriminates based on what you make? Oh that is right because it favors white people on average more. You are being a hypocrite. Since you want to look past that you should have no problem looking past minorities being favored.
Nope I am good love you also pumpkin. Get a life and take your medicine please.
1. Dude. YOu are having a hissy fit over word games. My definition is a fairly standard definition of a widely used term. You are talking shit to confuse the issue. Normal leftard behavior, when they have lost a debate.
2. Dude. Shove your stonewalling up your ass.
3. I conceeded the possibility of an except to the rule I described. And AGAIN, you are ignoring the point of MASSIVE AND WIDESPREAD RACIST POLICIES DEFINING MODERN LIBERALISM, in order to talk shit about unimportant shit. Normal behavior for leftards that have lost a debate.
4. Your logic there is your opinion and nothing more. My point stands. MASSIVE WIDESPREAD DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WHITES. Are you admitting that or trying to change the subject because you are a cowardly faggot?
5. You are not good. You are an asshole. Go fuck yourself.
Even if I drop that. The point still stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did. That is in favor of working class whites. I do not want to hear about his motives the facts are the facts. That point stands. It is a fact accept it. I may not think Trump does things for genuine reasons but facts are facts. Obama deported more than Trump. Grow up and own this fact.
Lol you did give a fill in answer. That is not me stonewalling. You are trying to dodge that point because you realized you made yourself look dumb.
So then you were wrong. Thanks for that concession. Do not make stupid statements like that again. Do not ever say all liberals are racist again. Then turn around and get upset if someone were to say that same thing about republicans. I have had it with your lack of class. Get some class and do not make dumb statements.
I say this the same way you cope with blacks being treated more unfairly by the judicial system use that type of coping mechanism for minorities getting advantages and I think it will help you.
I love you as well. Kiss kiss. I am a better man than you will ever be. I bet you money I have way better morals than you as well.
Dude. ALL you are doing is talking irrelevant or bullshit shit, to distract from the point.
Trump is the voice of the working class whites, and that is such heresy to you, that you have to attack every time you hear it, becuase you are hostile to US.
These are facts. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump, whites on average get more jobs and make more money than black people. The judicial system treats those with money better than it does poor people.
All facts that you can't deny or argue against. Even though what is pathetic is you have tried to. Facts do not care about feelings.
Irrelevant factoids, AT BEST, complete shit talk at worst.
Trump is the voice of the American working class whites and you HATE that with a fiery passion, because you want us to be slienced and marginalized.
On some level, you know that the positions you support, are bad for America and AMERICANS, and you fear that if there is every ANY honest discussion of the issues, that American will wake up and deport your ass, and the asses of all your people.
Nope facts are not irrelevant. You just want them to be. I used Obama deporting immigrants since that was a major talking point you had. It is completely relevant.
That is what you believe. That does not mean it is true.
Lol good luck bud. Get back to me when I get deported. I been here over two decades.
Immigration was a big talking point you made. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. The end.
Hope is a ship that sank. It will not be happening to me so get used to me living here. Meanwhile I have a voice and say on what goes on in this place. Grow up and deal with it, it is out of your hands.
Notice how I say that factoids taken out of context can be irreelvant and in response you state a statistic without context and state "the end"?
Yeah, that is you demonstraing my point about that. So.... you either have zero self awareness or are activitly and knowingly stonewalling.
But, this thread is not about me having a problem with you having a voice. It is about you having a problem with ME having a voice. I am happy to discuss your interests vs my interest, your positions vs my positions, you are the one having a problem with ME even identifying as WORKING CLASS WHITE. I've asked you your identification, but you have refused to provide it. I accepted that and moved on. I didn't whine like a faggot about it for weeks. See the difference here? Or are you going to pretend to be too retarded to get the point and pretend to be concerned about stupid completely stupid, like a word definition?
So you are going to ignore how you gave a fill in answer when I refused to answer a question. You avoid it because you know that was you talking trash. I have seen you do not care about other people. That much is quite clear. If it is okay for you make assumptions about me I can do the same about you. Even if I drop that I do not feel your reasons are good for this country, I think they are quite toxic actually.
I thought you said people were so tolerant of the sentiment and thought? When you guys scream all lives matter that throws that right out the window. I am not talking about the group I am talking about the sentiment. You can't even get you guys to agree on the sentiment. Is simply stating black lives matter wrong to do? Can you do it without you idiots screaming but all lives matter? As I said before do you do that to people who bring awareness to cancer?
Lol so now me stating how I never conceded to something is talking trash? Wake up dude you are delusional.
Exactly. Nothing to support your claim only feelings and personal experiences. So what if I was to say in my observation and experience all republicans are racist jerks? What would be your response to that?
1. You have seen the shit you make up. I have mentioned the interests of my group and you have done nothing bout attack me for that, and talk shit about me.
2. No, it does not. You have a group that has committed mass terrorism and riotings and murder and the response is a reasonable rebuttal of their message? In a sane world, they would be the target of mass arrests and long prison sentences. Your spin of the actual response as intolerant is fucking insane.
3. Are you really this fucking stupid. That was my point. You did not "conceed" and I was not going to be a fucking asshole and pretend you did. As you did, when I agreed that the Justice System was unfair based on money.
4. Except, you are a shit talker, and an asshole, while I am not. You want to not be called a racist? adjust your racist position where you attack whites for doing the same shit everyone else does.
And you are now denying that you gave a fill in answer. You made up an answer in order to talk trash. I have not I gave my opinions on your behavior and what I believe your motives are.
Again we are not talking about the group. We are talking about the sentiment. Is saying black lives matter bad? Why do you guys immediately scream all lives matter! Again would you do that to someone wearing a cancer awareness shirt? Well Alzheimers matters also!
I can stand corrected then if you never resisted that. Although it hurts your claim that white people are oppressed when they on average make more money than blacks. See unlike you I can admit if I am wrong and made a mistake.
Um no you talked trash as well bud. You gave a fill in answer to a question I refused to answer. That was you talking trash. So no I am not going to take your feelings and personal experiences or observations as facts. What if I was to say all republicans are racist based on my experiences and observations? You would say well that is not based on any facts. Well same goes to you. Do not give me your feelings give me facts to support that all liberals are racist. If you can not admit you are wrong and eat that slice of humble pie.
2. Because stating that blm implies that it needs to be said, which is absurd considering the decades of consensus on equality for blacks in this country.
3. No, it doesn't. While there are huge discriminations built into the system to benefit blacks at the expense of whites, and that happens constantly and massively, there are also massive probelms in the black community that fucks them up, more than the discrimination benefits them.
4. Well, liberals support the racist system we have in this country to discriminate against whites in favor of minorities. That is racism. That is one good example.
Funny do you feel that way when people wear a Cancer awareness shirt? I mean a silly thing to say when all illnesses are treated the same right?
Yep it does. You agreed that the judicial system treats people with money better than it does poor people. On average whites make more money. I do not need to go any further than that. My point was proven right there.
You can't speak for all liberals. So no your claim is still crap. There are republicans who are racist and support racist behavior. Nick Fuentes being a big one of them. There are republicans who actively are against black people and support laws which harm them. So um no your point again is bogus.
Even so no record is like a failing record. It reminds me of sometimes no credit is worse than bad credit. Also even if we use your logic there are other candidates with no political record with a far more ethical and clean record than him.
No the blame is on the employers. I will not be leaving this country. Get used to me.
How do you know they are trustworthy? Did you study how laws work?
Not an answer. It does not take much thought to give it an answer. I did not think much about Rittenhouse but I came to an answer easily. So no you did not answer. It is a yes or no question.
1. No record is NOT like a failing record. That is just you talking shit. YOu cannot give any shred of respect to your enemies, you hate US that much.
2. You are here against our demoncratically enacted laws. That is your responsibility. IF you were NOT here, those employers would have to either raise wages, or let those jobs go unfilled.
3. Because victimes of crimes rarely have reason to lie about to protect the identities of their attackers.
4. I don't care about floyd. I do worry about overly forceful cops, BUT, i understand that low life urban scum lie constantly, and are sub human. Sooooo, I see both sides here. BUT, he certainly fails to support the premise of BLM.
Yeah it is considering you have no experience. Would you hire someone with no experience to operate on someone or a doctor who may not have the best record?
I am not leaving deal with it. Those employers chose to hire cheap labor. That is on them.
You studied this?
Not an answer. Was what happened to him right yes or no?
1. Bad analogy. It is not about compency at a job but about representing our interests vs other groups. Better to serve our interests BADLY, than to be good at attacking our interests to serve someone's else's interests.
2. Your refusal to abide by our laws, is on you.
3. I understand that people are not normally motivated to protect people that committed crimes against them.
4. It is an answer. I don't really care about FLoyd.
No it actually fits perfectly. There were better candidates than Trump my point stands.
Nope it also lies on employers who hire immigrants for cheap. You do not get to make them exempt from criticism. I do not abide by laws that are immoral also. Just because something is a law does it mean it is moral.
So no you did not study it then. Clearly not the case since many abused victims would lie to protect their abuser. It is why the cops started pressing charges even if the victim would refuse to.
Nope yes or no. Was what happened to him correct? I could easily have said meh I do not care about Rittenhouse. Unlike you I am not a coward and will gladly answer because I have confidence in my stance. You know why you won't answer. It shows how incompetent you are. I did not ask if you cared about Floyd. That is not the question. I asked you if what happened to him was right? You caring about him is irrelevant.
1. See, I made my point and then explained it. You failed to challenge my supporting argument. All you did was ignore my good point and just shout yours again. That is the logical fallacy of proof by assertion. It is invalid and you thus lose the point. Trump was teh best candidate available for US.
2. But it is a moral law. We as Americans have the right to decide who enters and joins our group. And your breaking of it, is on you. You are to blame.
3. Domestic abuse cases are unusual in that regard. But generally speaking, humans don't feel a desire to protect people that have hurt them. Are you claiming that black people that report being mugged by black people are generally or often lying?
4. When I think of Floyd, complaining about not being able to breath, I think of all the low life urban blacks I have experienced lying and lying STRONG, right to your face and often in the most stupid and vile ways. That to me is what is wrogn about this. Thus a man can say, "I can't breath" and the people llstening have years, or decades of experience that those words are meaningless garbage. On the plus side, it seems that Floyd himself was one of those low life scum people, so that is some good karma, live by the sword, die by it.
I'm not sure if that is helpful or informative to you, but that is my personal take on it.
BUT, also my take it, why is Floyd the poster child for BLM?
You explained your point and I disagreed with it. Your argument is Trump was the best candidate simply because he had no record to show since he was not a politician. Your claim is that everyone else he was running against had a negative political record. I do not believe that statement I think that is you simply asserting that. I said if someone has no experience that can be seen as a negative. It is your opinion that Trump was the best candidate and nothing more. You offered your opinion and I disagreed.
Nope it is not. I broke the law and gladly would do it for my family to live a good life. How does it feel knowing I will not be going anywhere? I would like to se you make me leave this country. I been here a long time I promise you I will not be leaving. There is nothing you can do about it. The employers are to blame not me.
No they are not. Domestic violence used to be quite common actually. It goes back to my point the stat is not totally full proof. The point stands the judicial system is corrupt and treats those with money better than it does those who do not. Also poverty drives up crime. This is proven also.
You are giving long winded answers. Stop giving me word salads. Was what happened to him right? Yes or no. Simply give a yes or no answer. You should not be measuring others when talking about an individual case. That is you judging the situation with a biased eye. When I saw the situation I was like wow that was wrong the cop should not do that. I did not look at race, I would say the same if that was a black cop doing that to a white guy. Instead idiots like you look to protect your political party or race rather than simply call out a wrongdoing. Here I will even bring up Jussie Smollet. That was wrong what he did. Boom that simple. I did not need to give longwinded answers or generalizations. You guys then bring up Floyd's past as a way to gaslight and downplay what the officer did. Derek Chauvin also had a past but it gets ignored.
1. Correct. We have a disagreement of opinion. BUT, you can't respect that. You have and will come back to, snide insinuations that we were dupes to "Believe a snake oil sales man" or some such fag shit talk. Because you are a. very close minded and B. the bad guy here.
2. I not only asserted that it is a moral law, I explained why I think it is a moral law, ie because we Americans have the RIGHT to decide who gets to join our group. You express your disagreement, but you do not have the balls to explain what the grounds for your disagreement is. ON what grounds do you disagree?
3. That would be relevant if I claimed that hte stat was foolproof. My point stands. Generally speaking, looking at crimes committed, blacks commit more crimes. Unless you think it is common for blacks to lie so that they can make blacks as a group look bad? LOL.
I do not have to respect your opinion or your candidate. That was not what we were discussing. We were discussing whether I respected your right to to vote for Trump. Two completely different things. Nice attempt at twisting words but once again I caught you. Had I said you do not have the right to vote for a snake oil salesmen you would have a point. I never did that. Epic fail here from you.
Your glorious employers should have exercised that right by not hiring cheap immigrants for labor. That is on them. I disagree because I do not think laws are always just and fair. It is easy for a citizen to say oh deport them! Did you ever live in a 3rd world country where you worried about your families safety or your kid's safety? I do not view things in black and white like you do. Some of the best people who are moral are illegal immigrants who would give the shirt off their back to help anyone. Bottom line I would like to see you have this same attitude if you were in their shoes.
Nope not when you have not studied it. All you are doing is citing that stat in hopes that the generalization is correct. When you study the stat it actually paints a different picture. You want to simply state blacks commit more crimes and stop the conversation there. It goes further than that. The stats get skewed because the judicial system treats people with money better. Which on average whites make more money.
Answer the question. Was what happened to George Floyd correct? Yes or no?
2. All of that is irrelevant. We have the right to decide who enters our group and you are violating that right.
3. You are shit talking. Blacks committ more crime. You know it. I know it. All the readers know it. The only thing your stonewalling on this does, is reveal what a dishonest person you are. And an asshole.
4. I gave you my answer. And it is not like you give a fuck about my opinion anyways. So make your "point" such as it is. so I can address it. Or, did you not really even have a point and this was all about playing some retarded fag gotcha game?
And I never once said you did not have the right to vote for Trump. I do no respect your reasons or opinion as to why you voted for him. The end.
Okay well once you get me deported get back to me. I got news for you, I will not be going anywhere. You do have a right but quite Frankly I would not do something mean spirited simply because I had a right to do it. You only speak like that because you were fortunate enough to be born here. It is rather cowardly to not place yourself in another man's shoes. It is okay though. One day you will be on the receiving end of someone being able to do something bad to you simply because they can.
Nope as I stated before you lost this point. I will be revoking your rights to talk about this point from here on out. You will get the right to talk about this more once you have earned it. Until then you will not be talking about this anymore. .
No you did not. Lets try this again. Was what happened to Floyd correct? No long winded answers. Yes or no?
Lol nice projection. You are just upset that I do not respect your opinion or candidate.
Like I said get back to me once you get me deported we will talk then. I am making myself real comfortable here. As to your question I guess I have not given it much thought. Sound familiar?
Like I said you lost this point. You lost the right to talk on this issue.
Nope not an answer. It is a yes or no answer. Are you dodging the question?
No based on the comments you have made about Obama, democratic people and leaders, I am not buying that nonsense. I do not care if you disrespect any leader what matters is someone respects your right to support who you want. Your opinion or candidate do not need respect only your right. As you noticed I never said you did not have the right to support Trump.
I can actually by stating that you are using the law to justify bad behavior. There are great illegal immigrants who have done wonderful things for this country.
Nope you lost this point.
No you did not. You gave a word salad. Solve it now. Was it right yes or no?
1. You didn't SAY that you don't, but your behavior of CONSTANTLY harping on your disrespect of our choice, shows that you do not.
2. What bad behavior am I supposedly justifying?
3. Blacks committ more crime. Only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.
4. Stating that I haven't given it much thought, is not "word salad". That is my answer. Deal with it, or go fuck yourself. You clearly don't actually have a point to make here, you were just fishing fro some faggot gotcha and that is all you have. Hell, that is all you ARE.
Correct I never said that you did not have a right to support who you wanted. I do not respect Trump as a choice or your opinion, those are two completely different things.
In your book the law is the law. You have a zero sum game attitude. That is fine but when you fall on the wrong side of it this will not be your mentality. There ever been something done to you that is legal but it is immoral? Technically the murderers of Emmit Till got away with it legally. Was that correct?
Nope wrong.
It is. I did not ask you if you cared. I asked if it was right or wrong. See you will not answer a simple yes or no question. You will not because you know you are wrong.
1. Except that you leftards ALWAYS disrespect our choice. Becuase what is actually happening, is that you do not respect our RIGHT to have a choice.
2. When I say we have the RIGHT to decide who enters our group, I am stating that we have both a LEGAL and a MORAL right to decide who enters our group. You really did not catch that? Wow. You're not very good at understanding other people.
3. Only a liar or a retard would deny that blacks committ more crime. Which are you? (both is an acceptabel answer)
4. I will not answer becasue I have not given it enough thought to reach a conclusion. And the fact that you refuse to move on past that, to your actual POINT, shows that you don't actually have a point to make anyways. Nothing you have to say, is based on MY conclusion. Nor limited to being only relevant if I agree. YOu are just shit talking for the purpose of shit talking.
See how you diverted? First you said it was me that did not respect your right then once you could not attribute that to me you moved it to you leftards. This is a debate between you and me. I could not care less about what others have said or done to you. The point stands I never said you had no right to support Trump. You can get lost with claiming I did not respect your right. Also leftards? What are you like in 7th grade?
Yeah you have no moral right either. Laws and morals do not always go hand and hand now do they?
Nope.
Lol and see you claimed you gave an answer when you did not. So you lied about answering. See you will not give an answer because it hurts your position. Here I will give an answer for you. Floyd should have not been on the streets and in prison, and the cop should not have been on the force. The cop had a history of being a terrible police officer. Was what happened to Floyd wrong? Yes it was. Does it make him some saint with no past? No it does not. See how unbiased I am unlike you?
1. D'uh. I am pointing out that your bad behavior is part of a larger issue. I clearly stated that many times. This bit where you act retarded so I have to make the same point over and over again, makes you look like a retard and a fag.
2. I never said that they do. But in this case, I/we have both the legal and moral right to choose who to invite to join out group. You have expressed disagreement, but you have done NOTHING to explain on what ground you disagree. Because the truth is, all you have as a reason, is your anti-american bigotry.
3. Yes. Blacks commit more crime. ONly a liar or a retard would claim otherwsie.
4. I did give an answer. You lie when you say I did not. You are also a coward, because you would not dare speak like this is person.
No what happened is you realize you could not pin me saying you had no right to support who you wanted so you diverted. You diverted to the left because you wanted to attribute that behavior to me. It did not work which is why you diverted.
I do not believe you do have a moral right to do that. I have given my reason you simply disagree. Bottom line I will not be leaving the country. Nothing you can do about it. You honestly think you can get me deported?
Wrong.
Lol no you did not. So was your answer to my question yes or no? Lol speak like what? You are the one who has used foul language and been a jerk this whole time. I would gladly say this to your face without hesitation. Please do not play the tough guy over the internet it makes you look very dumb.
1. Except that I did "pin you down". So, what you did there was just shit talk. Does it bother you that your whole world view is based on lies?
2. What was your "reason" for Americans not having the human right of soverignty? Cause all I saw was meaningless shit talk that did not address the issue at all.
3. lol. Only a shit talker would claim that blacks do NOT committ more crime. Does it bother you that your rationalizations for your bad behavior are all clearly bullshit?
4. It is an asshole thing to do, to ask for a simple yes or no question and stonewall on that, when you have recieved a serious and truthful answer. YOu are BEING an asshole. My foul language is an attempt to treat you with the level of civility that you have earned. GO FUCK YOURSELF.
No you did not pin me down. If that were true you would have on record me saying you had no right to vote for or support Trump. I never did that. I just did not respect your candidate or opinion I never said you had no right to support who you wanted. Nice try but no. I know it is cute you thought you had me but you did not.
Since you dodged my question I will do the same to you. In the mean time I will not be going anywhere. Suck it up. I actually think it is funny that your jobs are being taken by illegal immigrants. If this makes people like you squirm than I am all for it. It is what you deserve.
Lol nope. Like I said before the judicial system is rigged and you know it.
No it is a simple yes or no question. The fact that you can't answer it exposes your behavior. I am supposed to believe you would speak like this to a person in real life? I highly doubt you would lol.
1. I like the way that you think you get to define limited ways that a point can be made. It really showcases how your whole world view, can only survive if you ignore reality. You are a perfect example of the modern leftard.
2. You ever hear the idea that our generous immigration policy is a result of the generous US character?
3. NO, the system is flawed, not rigged. And that still doesn't change the fact that blacks committ more crime.
4. The fact that I can't answer, exposes that I didn't give that specific incident much thought. Your claim otherwise is just you talking shit. If we met in real life, I would look you in hte eye and challenge you to be serious, and stop the shit talk. I have done it before. The comfort you have talking shit online, seems to go away with a man standing right there, looking you in the eye. Or at least with the leftards I have met in the past. Perhaps you are completely soulless and could still just talk complete shit to my face.
Lol as I stated before. Your attempt to attribute me denying your right was disproven. I never denied your right. I simply did not approve of your opinion or choice of candidate.
I have not given that much thought.
Semantics. Okay though we will play your game. It is flawed and no they do not commit more crimes. That is a lie you bought into. I feel sorry for you.
Spare me the tough guy act please. It makes you look like a pathetic incel. Get some maturity under your belt. No it exposes that you know your stance is wrong and have no confidence in your position. Funny how you had no issue answering about Kyle Rittenhouse. Oh that is right because giving a straight answer is simple so long as it makes your party look good.
1.AND you dodged my offer of an historical example to show how your behavior is otherwise. Because you KNOW you are a shit talker.
2. I didn't ask you that, I asked if you heard of it.
3. It is flawed and they DO committ more crimes. YOu are an asshole.
4. Dude. YOU are talking shit. If we were in person i would laugh in your face. You would have to either man up and stop talking shit, walk away or escalate. It is only online that you get to be a pussy and keep going and going and going.
No I did not. You tried to say I denied you your right to support who you wanted. I never did that. You were wrong own up to it. There is no evidence of me denying you your right.
The same way I did not ask you if you cared about Floyd. Annoying isn't it? So I will state it like you did I have not given it much thought.
It is flawed that is the only part you got right.
No all I would do is stand by my position which I have. You would throw a tantrum like the incel you are.
1. Your behavior is standard leftardness. You claim to accept the right, but in practice there is always some reason you don't actually accept it.
2. I didn't ask you if you gave it thought, I asked if you ever heard of it.
3. WHy do you want to believe that blacks do not committ more crime?
4. LOL. Perhaps. But taht would be the end of the conversation. I would laugh in your face and you would stop talking. If you continued to harass me, i would call the police. Only online can you be a pussy shit talker like you are now.
Accepting a right is different from not respecting a candidate or opinion. Those things do not coincide no matter how hard you want them to. The point stands I never said you had no right to support who you wanted.
Annoying right? You ask a question and I refuse to answer. I figured I would give you a taste of your own medicine.
I do not want to believe it. I simply know the judicial system is very flawed and does not represent the numbers accurately.
Lol you just admitted you would throw your tantrum I am glad you agreed with me on that. I would stand by my position as you laughed. Do you know what harassment is? You said you would laugh in my face which is actually a stronger case for harassment than me standing by my position. So if you called the police they would tell you to walk away. You getting in my face to laugh could be perceived as a threat. Notice how I never said I would get in your face or did the whole tough guy thing like you are doing now? Learn the law please you are out of your element here stud. First you play like you are tough and then say you would call the police simply for me standing by my position. This is seriously hilarious. Glorious truly glorious.
1. It would be, except that, as I repeatedlly explained, that you lefties just always come up with some excuse. AND, it is telling how often you have to bring it up. I have nothing but contempt for Biden for example, but I don't have to bring that up every fucking time I discuss a policy of his. You leftards do.
2. Except I did answer your question. So, you are lying. You are a liar. Something to keep in mind, with regard to your shit talking in number one. And number three. And number four.
3. The victim reports don't have much input from the system and validate the blacks committ more crime fact. Your denial is just you being a liar.
4. LOL. You are just lying now. Me getting in your face? LOL. NOt the way it has worked with lefties in the past. It is one thing for a pussy to talk shit online. In person, it is harder to talk shit and not realize how fucking stupid and what a shitty person you are.
I have nothing but contempt for Trump but I do not bring him up constantly either. Thing is I do not like Biden either. That is something you fail to grasp. Also that is others not me. Your experience with others is irrelevant to your discussion with me.
No you did not. You did not answer yes or no which is how i posed the question.
So all victim reports are accurate? No one lies? We do not look at judge, jury and execution?
You said you would laugh in my face. How would you laugh in my face without getting in it? Also I bet you would not be cussing people out like you do online.
2. My honest answer was NOT a yes or a no. That you refuse to accep that, is you being an asshole.
3. Notice how your only response it to exaggerate my statement. You CANNOT defend your positiono without lying about mine. You are a lying whore fucktard.
4. You would be lying to my face, like a piece of shit, and I would laugh in your face. You would be in MY face, lying, and I would respond accordingly. That is YOU being in my face.
In this scenario I did bring him up. That does not mean I mention him all the time. You are on here constantly defending him.
Nope I posed the question as yes or no. You failed to answer it.
I asked a question. See how you dodge? I did not say you said that. I asked if victim statements were always accurate? This annoys you because you know they are not.
I would not get in anyone's face, because I do not believe in violence. See how much more mature I am than you? I never played the tough guy like you did. Sit down before you hurt yourself.
1. But when you do, how often do you somehow express your disagreement with how he was picked?
2. You might have posed it that way. My honest answer did not fit that format. That you can't deal with that is you being an asshole.
3. YOu did not ask a question. You put forth a false strawman that I was claiming that victim reports are "always accurate". If you want to ask a question, ask a real question fucktard.
4. LOL. You are a fucking asshole. I would call you on your bullshit and if you continued stonewalling, i would laugh in your face. The next move would be yours. My past experience is that you would sheepishly admit you were talking shit.
That has no relevance to our discussion. You are tallying up all your bad experiences with left leaning people and projecting it onto me. I can point to other things you do also. Why are you always defending him at every turn? Are you unwilling to criticize him? Before you even start yes I have criticized Biden plenty of times.
You answer the way a question is posed. Period.
Lol. So then that is not accurate either then. So your point in bringing that up was bad.
How would you laugh in my face without getting in it? Lets go back to that. Do not speak on what I would do. You do not know. I can only speak on what I would do. I do not know anything about you personally.
1. I would be happy to have a discussion about Trump's actual negatives. I am happy to admit them. But the public discourse is dominated by asshole leftards making UNreasonable, generally nonsensical complaints about Trump. So....
2. Your belief that you get to do that, is you being an asshole.
3. LOL. Asking if something is perfect, as a prelude to dismissing it, is a dishonest tactic that only somoeone who KNOWS that they are shit talking, would use.
4. You would be lying to my face, thus you would be IN my face. My laughter was presented as a response to your being a soulless piece of shit liar. Like you are being now.
SO then let me ask then why is your experience with other leftists relevant here?
No that is how it works.
I am not saying it has no use. It just is not fully accurate. Which means we have to take a deeper look at it.
Correction I would never get in anyone's face. That right there derails any hypothetical point you tried to paint. I have never instigated a fight physically in my life. I have defended myself but never once did I instigate a fight. A debate verbally? Yes but I would never get in anyone's face or lay my hands on someone unless it was self defense.
No that is not how it works. I did not join any mob. If that were the case I would not call out Biden on his failures as well. It would not be fair for me to place the storming of the capitol on you now would it?
Yeah it is.
I already mentioned how the judicial system favors people with money. Do you not think some charges get waved away depending on the financial status of a person? Do you know poverty breeds crime?
Nope. However since you want to play like that ok let's do it. You are standard out of the box conservative. Why do you believe it was ok to storm the capitol?
Yep it is.
Typically yes. However there is a caviant there. Do the wealthy get charged with as many crimes as the poor? So it's not just poverty. Money allows you to get away with more crime also. I saw your trap, nice try.
Yeah I'm not the one doing the tough guy act that's you.
Not in my experience. I see lots of them try and cover that up.
Yep it is.
Nope because those with money get free of charges. Notice how you bypassed that?
I would gladly taunt someone in person. If someone gets physical over a simple taunt they will pay the price. Whether it's me defending myself or if not that they would pay for it legally.
1. "Lots"? Sure you have. LOL. Is this another one of your made up definitions?
2. Nope. I gave you an honest and serious answer.
3. Irrelevant to the point. My position was not based on socio economic status. We were discussing racial groups. BLacks committ more crimes.
4. Interesting. I asserted that you would not lie to me like you are here, and you translated that in your owe words to a "taunt".
That is an implicit admission that you know you are talking shit and your motive here is not good faith discussion, but just you being an asshole. I am seriously considering putting you on ignore now.
Funny you want me to believe your claim but you will not believe mine. Funny how that works.
Again why couldn't you just answer yes or no? Wouldn't that have been easier?
Nope that plays a factor as well. Who are more likely to have more money? Whites on average. You do not get to ignore that.
You can believe whatever you want. I personally do not think you are discussing in good faith. I honestly do not feel you would debate anyone who is not right wing in good faith. I am willing to start all over if you are. I however doubt you are interested in that.
1. Actually yes it is. See I've been sincere and honest demonstrating my character, while you have been a lying little shit, demonstrating your character.
2. Because my actual position on that question, didn't fit your format. This is a very simply concept. You are just being an asshole.
3. You want to discuss factors in crime? Stats show that the biggest factor is the breakdown of the family. Thus when looking at the sad state of teh black family, it is not surprising that blacks committ more crime. Denying it is the act of a troll. You are just a soulless troll.
4. YOU used the term "taunt" to describe your current behavior. YOU did that. You clearly are just a troll.
I'm sure you have rationalizations for your shitty behavior and you being a shitty person. I don't care to hear them. Welcome to the ignore list and go fuck yourself.
Sorry, it was just the Nationalism part of Nazi Germany. Although I wish it was the whole damn thing. Every day this world proves Hitler was right and evil won WWII.
Sorry, it was just the Nationalism part of Nazi Germany. Although I wish it was the whole damn thing. Every day this world proves Hitler was right and evil won WWII.
Classic
And you're still convinced you're arguing the correct side?
Yep it’ll be remember…Trumps specific words about Charlottesville, Ukraine, J6, will be read. And history will understand that it was the end of the Democrat party.
When the Democrat party exposed itself as the communists they are and attempted to imprison a political opponent because they had evolved into a party that was intellectually bankrupt.
It’s a great day for Trump. The American people are more fired up now than 2016 lol!!!
Once again the communist Demokkkrat pedophile party face plants on the world stage.
Another horrendous month for the Democrat party presidency. Their Hawaii catastrophe. Exposing their pedophile roots having complete meltdown over a movie that fights child trafficking and pedophilia. Their amateur night assassination of Stanislav Rzhitsky and 10 others to try to save face after he bent them over for Putin on the world stage.
The majority of American people know exactly what’s going on. The intellectually bankrupt Democrat party is fighting for its life. Now they’re arresting political opponents. They did the same to Dr King before they killed him.
Wrong. Desantis, Vivek, these guys would never had run or never had run the campaigns they are running, before TRump showed that working class whites still count.
How fucking dense are you that you're spewing retarded communist talking points without even knowing it? "Wealthy people despise the working class" sure thing comrade let's go sieze the means of production. You fucking dumbfuck put the crackpipe down.
Right?! The sheer absurdity of claiming that Trump is for the working class the fact that "whites" was thrown in there at the end shows just how racist Trump supporters are.
1. Trump's policies were crafted to appeal to the American working class. If you missed that, you are utterly ignorant.
2. It is not racists for whites to talk about themselves or their interests. Ironically only a RACIST asshole would claim that it was. To be clear, you are that racist asshole. Go fuck yourself. Also, you are a fag.
1. Trying to con the working class into thinking you are on their side is not being FOR the working class.
2. When did I say it was racist for white people to talk about themselves or their interests? You make up stories just like your God Trump and then think that calling someone a fag is 'cute' instead of classless.
You're wasting your time, these idiots have limited concept of voting for policy, they're just mindless cheerleaders for their team that's why they project that onto Trump supporters saying MAGA is a cult etc, as usual it's all just left wing self reporting on how THEY act. THEY think their candidates have warm fuzzy feelings for them so obviously Trump supporters feel that way too! Dem campaigning and policy reflect this with offering them lots of feel good promises or offering policy that wipes out student debt, talking about equality etc. They really think the Dems care about them.
RockAway was a good example last night after the mugshot was released, posting nonsense about "oh his eyes look red like he's been crying" I mean what man thinks that way? Well maybe RockAway does? Maybe RockAway has no mental fortitude or bravery so if placed in the same situation where an oppressive regime was exerting legal pressure over him and he was arrested and mugshotted, well then RockAway would break and crumble ergo everyone else would break and crumble too. They have no frame of reference outside their own experience so can't imagine any other possibility.
Let's have a quick look at that user's created threads!
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Do it for your family.., if they still even like you
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Not a single thread or post outside of braindead shitting on conservatives. This person is in a cult and needs deprogramming ergo
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Think of your family- get help and start deprogramming your squirrelly mind
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Do it for your family.., if they still even like you
Time to fire up the old projector again and self report! Every fucking time without fail lmao
I mean I know I post about Trump a lot but fuck me i do occasionally chat about movies on MovieChat too once in a while.
I've blocked the idiot again now anyway so he can rage like a spastic into the void.
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Thank you. I can't help but notice these patterns sometimes. That's something the left seem to lack massively, pattern recognition. That's why the sterotype of them exists where they destroy the Blue city they live in then abandon it to move to a Red city, but then continue to vote Dems and cause the ineviteble disintergration of wherever they moved to by making it just like the shithole they were trying to leave.
I don't care, to be honest. I don't live on MovieChat, I have a life outside of it, unlike you, Miyagido. How does it feel to be so pathetic that you feel the need to be a pest on MC?
What are you talking about? You're the biggest pest here!
Miyagido, have you put me on Ignore?
posted 3 hours ago in Donald Trump (lol did you get excited for a minute?)
1. The Eagles are sentient and are not carrier pigeons for the other races to use. 2. Stealth was necessary for the quest to succeed, flying a mass of Eagles into Mordor would've attracted a lot of attention. 3. No matter how fast the Eagles, they are no match for the thousands of Orcs who could shoot them down, in addition to the Nazgul. 4. The Eagles only intervened at the Black Gate because they saw that Aragorn's and Gandalf's small and surrounded army were willing to sacrifice themselves for a free Middle-Earth, and so assisted them in the fight. Enough reasons for you?
posted 4 hours ago in The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
We'll see...
posted 7 hours ago in Donald Trump
It says a lot when Obama was my favourite US President of recent years by a huge margin, and for Trump to blame him for everything like this just compounds my dislike for Trump.
posted 7 hours ago in Donald Trump
"and only dumb faggots reply to this post" You don't want to debate with smart people, then?
posted 8 hours ago in Donald Trump
No, he's Welsh.
posted 13 hours ago in Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
I'd say Goodfellas, too.
posted 15 hours ago in Martin Scorsese
What list? I don't care, to be honest. I don't live on MovieChat, I have a life outside of it, unlike you, Miyagido. How does it feel to be so pathetic that you feel the need to be a pest on MC?
posted 15 hours ago in Donald Trump
More like why did Mark Hamill agree to do this? The worst part, Hamill seems to relish it, appearing all made-up and looking camp.
posted a day ago in The Star Wars Holiday Special (1978)
Because Kubrick improved on King's book, by not having to animate the hedge maze animals or something - that was just dumb King writing to have that happen.
posted 2 days ago in The Shining (1980)
We can't all of us can spend all day trolling Movie Chat like you and your fellow TDS lemmings!
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You think Trump was the one to shows this? Wow you are more delusional than I originally thought. Whites on average make more money and are locked up less for drug charges or any crime. How do they not count again? Trump is a snake oil salesmen and you bought the snake oil.
Go ahead and tell me the judicial system does not treat rich people better than poor people. The point stands. There is evidence to back this. Which is why you want to dismiss it. Cute little game though.
Before you dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back let's just rewind to the start.
Your comment I first replied to stated
Whites on average make more money are locked up less for drug charges or any crime
What do those statement have to do with each other? Are you claiming the reason whites are locked up less is due to making more money? If so provide your evidence. If you can do that I'll take a look at your links. You are racing ahead with your supposition as if it is fact when at this time, unless you can provide evidence that supports it then you have posted opinion.
Are we on the same page?
No this is a game you are playing now. You refuse to look at evidence as to how the judicial system treats the rich better than it does the poor. That was part of my claim now wasn't it? Now once you look at that evidence I will gladly continue on with how whites make more money and are charged less often. I am not going to provide more evidence which you will most likely dismiss like you just did now. Lets see if you debate in good faith. If not I won't bother wasting more time on an ignorant idiot like you.
Before Trump working class whites and their votes and interests were completely ignored by both parties. It was believed that they could not make a difference, or that a candidate could not win by appealling to their interests.
Trump showed that was not true. Your odd response where you just spout the normal shit implying that whites have some sort of racial "privilege" is just some of the anti-white racist shit that we have been putting up with for far too long.
Irrelevant to the fact that working class whites were ignored by both parties. Our numbers and relative wages did not translate into political representation.
The experts all ridiculed Trump for even trying to win, with us as his base. Your ignorant of this is making you look stupid.
Nope it is completely relevant. You yourself admitted that people with more money are treated better by the judicial system. So since whites are more likely to have more money on average they are treated better by the judicial system. The point stands and you have nothing to refute it. So no I am not going to hear your victim mentality about whites being oppressed when they are treated better on average by the judicial system.
You guys have had voice on that for many years. You honestly think Trump is the first president to speak out of your guys's interests on that? Okay when did your voice end on that humor me?
The judicial system is totally relevant to this point. Whites have a voice in the judicial system.
In my opinion? With the embrace of globalization and high third world immigration. Combined with the already existing bi-partisan consensus on "civil rights", there was no more or very little consideration given to working class whites' interests or votes from that point on.
Nice not being able to bring up something other than opinion. My point stands whites are the majority and make more money on average. Not an opinion a fact. An opinion can be dismissed a fact can't. So no your point is not a fact but an opinion. I can dismiss it. Provide facts or you will look foolish.
On average. yes. And I readily agreed that that makes a difference in the judicial system.
We of course are NOT talking about whites as a whole, but specifcially the sub group of WORKING CLASS WHITES.
AND, we are talking about having their/our interests represented in national policy, not the judical system.
I understand why you are playing dumb and pretending to not get that. Because my point is so obviously correct, that unless you act like a retard, you have to admit that I am right.
Trump changed everything, by giving a voice to working class whites. That will NOT change when he dies.
Then why did you attempt to omit that I said average income and only pointed to me saying majority?
No if your point was so strong you would provide facts. All you have spouted is opinion. I want facts that past presidents did not give you guys a voice in policy. I am waiting. You are treating Trump like he is some sort of Messiah and that to me is disgusting. He is a con man with many failed businesses.
You set the discussion when YOU presented an irrelevant topic.
I merely pointed out that your topic was irrelevant.
I am not treating Trump like he is a Messiah. I am treating him like he is a politician that crafted a platform to serve my interests. That is all.
That you have to exaggerate my normal political support, is a YOU problem.
I have no problem with the idea that we disagree on political for political reasons. YOu seem to need to imagine that it is something greater... or maybe personal?
Okay then lets omit that. I will also scale back my exaggeration. Where are your facts that Trump was the one to protect a working white man's interest and give them a voice? Not opinion I want facts. I am having a hard time buying that honestly. Especially when you refuse to provide facts and just give an opinion.
Lol facts are now weasel words? I make the claim that the judicial system is unfair that is a fact. I make the claim it favors people with money that is a fact. I say whites are the majority and make more money on average, that is a fact. You make the claim that Trump gave working white men a voice in policy. I ask for your facts on this and you say in my opinion it started during this time. See the difference here?
Except Trump did not just have a campaign platform he also was the president for four years. I know it sucks when you have no facts to back up your claims. It is why I do not make claims I can not back up. I do this to not look silly.
Nope. However lets get back to you proving your point about Trump. Where are your facts that he gave working whites a voice? What if people who are Trans supported a political candidate who gave them a voice? Would you say they are wrong for supporting them?
Why are you incapable of staying on point? You constantly need to pepper your post with irrelevant filler.
Then if I don't address every retarded point, you act like it was a concession.
You leftards are like a hive mind. And I don't mean on the constructive ones like ants that can build shit, but more like lemmings, that just die stupidly.
And no, if "trans" or ANY groups, supports a candiate that "give a voice" to them or their intersts,
THAT IS THE WAY REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.
Wow I was trying to draw a comparison and it is filler? Ok I will only address your point and nothing else. I thought analogies would help illustrate a point, I guess not.
So then why is someone supporting Biden over Trump so hard for you to understand? See that is just it you want your interests served you do not care about anything else, so long as your interests are being served. I was showing you that is why we are in the pickle we are in. It goes both ways. People no longer care about the greater good they only care about their personal interests. I myself care about the greater good not just my personal interests.
Note how you jump straight from OUR INTERESTS BEIGN GIVEN A VOICE IN NATIONAL POLICY,
and "do not care about anything else".
That was all in YOUR head. it had nothing to do with anything I said. I llike that you moved on to it, BEFORE i managed to get you focused on requesting the specific planks of Trump's platform that I thought really served the interests of the white working class.
It really shows how, what I would have said, was irrelevant. You already knew that you were going to dismiss it, and then launch a counter attack, smearing me and the rest of Trump's base as bad people.
Had you provided proof of your claim and not an opinion I would not have dismissed it. You provided an opinion not a fact. So why should I respect that? I asked you multiple times and you did not provide it. Once that occurs I start saying okay there is a reason he is not providing me with any sort of fact.
I do not think you are correct and the fact that you did not provide facts makes me feel my suspicions about you are correct. It is typical conservative behavior.
When you gave your OPINION of hte judicial system, I agreed in GOOD FAITH, becuase it made sense and fit the avaliable information.
I did not demand FACTS or LINKS. I listened to and respected your supporting argument.
YOU, used weasel words that telegraphed that no matter what I said, you would find an excsue to not acccept it, and then hold to your initial and extremely self serving premise, ie that Trump supporters are more ofa "cult" than a political faction
I did not give my opinion of the judicial system. You agreed with my statement because it is a fact that the judicial system favors rich people. It is also a fact that whites on average make more money. There is nothing to dispute because it is a fact.
No had you presented facts to back your statement I would not dismiss it. I got annoyed because when I asked you only provided your opinion. So will you provide me some facts please?
1. In complex systems and policy judgements, things are far more nuanced then you are pretending. Sure, "WHITES MAKE MORE MONEY". But, it is an OPINION, that that is the reason for the difference in treatment. In a real world setting there are nearly infinite factors that are in play and JUDGING that one is primary is an OPINION.
2. No, you're totally telegraphing your BAD FAITH here. I've seen libs deny the most clear cut facts. Hell, I've seen libs deny my words about my own thoughts. I've seen libs deny writtne text right in front of them.
3. Sure. Here ONE of the primary differences between Trump and all of the other candidates of 2016. BUILD THE WALL. Illegal aliens take jobs and lower wages for working class whites. That is a "Fact", as you would put it. Now, this is where you talk shit to avoid admitting that I am right. Will you gasigght, or jusst more to personal attacks?
See and now you are trying to walk it back. You openly admitted that people with more money are treated better by the judicial system. That is not an opinion it is a fact that people with more money get better treatment by the judicial system. It is that simple.
Nope you are attempting to lump me with your experiences with other liberals on here. I can throw that right back at you. I have seen conservatives deny facts on here.
Why did you not do this to begin with when I asked? I still do not agree with building a wall. I think it is a waste of resources and money could be better spent elsewhere. As an illegal myself here is the thing. Lots of immigrants are willing to work jobs that regular Americans were unwilling to do. I have witnessed plenty of whites rather stay on welfare than get out there and work in the blistering heat in construction. Also that wall was not finished by Trump and Mexico did not end up paying for it. Watch now here come your excuses as to not hold Trump accountable for his failed promise. No insults were made to you here. I just do not support building a wall. I think that is a joke.
1. OMG. I was clearly adn explicitly stating what I COULD have done, if I was full of bad faith, not what I DID, which I have REPEATEDLY stated, ie, AGREED WITH YOU.
2. I've demonstrated my good faith. You have not.
3. Becuase you set the framework of the discussion with your off topic attack.
4. As I predicted you disagreed with the policy and present that as...somehow being relevant, when it is not, as we are discussing Trump becoming the Voice of the White Workign Class. Your disagreement is irrelevant.
5. We are discussing how he became the VOICE OF THE WHITE WORKING CLASS. Discussing his success rate or your opinion of that is irrelevant here.
6. The point remains. WORKINNG CLASS WHITES considered it an inteest of theris. NO ONE ELSE would even address it. Would you like to address the actual point now, or spew out more irrelefvant shit?
"Watch now here come your excuses as to not hold Trump accountable for his failed promise. No insults were made to you here. I just do not support building a wall."
Leftists/Democrats prevented him from finishing the wall and then they as well as you bitch about him not completing it and use the “failed promise” as an excuse, how hypocritical of you.
You did not do it because it is a fact which you can not dispute. I specifically asked you for facts to back your claim and you did not give me any. Had you asked me to prove how the judicial system treats rich people better I would gladly provide facts without an issue.
Nope I have also demonstrated good faith. You are just upset I disagreed with you.
Okay I can give you this one.
Nope I simply disagreed. You miss where I said why did you not provide this to begin with? You finally presented something to actually support your case. You were not doing that before. Yet I am the one in bad faith? I just said finally you provided something. Here is the thing though I do not feel Trump was the only one to try and give working whites a voice. I disagree with you on that.
Never said my opinion was relevant I simply voiced it.
I did address the point. Did I say that did not support your argument or call you names like you said I would?
Lol what is this guy like your boyfriend or something? Looks like I struck a nerve with you huh? No actually you are the one who wants to deny facts. I am an illegal immigrant and I am proud of it. You want to try and get daddy Trump to build that wall and deport me? I wish you luck. How is that wall coming along by the way? I actually dismantled him quite easily. You though are a whole new level of ignorant. Keep on spewing out crap bud I got all day for you.
Not when I am asking him to backup his claim. Nice you want to silence someone's point simply because of what they are. Your deceit is noted and dismissed.
We were discussing my assertion that working class whites' interests were ignored before Trump and by him giving US a voice, he thus became the spokesman for the working class whites.
I have presented as an example interest "BUILD THE WALL".
I read your replies, and I saw nothing where you addressed this at all.
Yes and originally you were only making an assertion you were not giving me facts to back it.
I just said why didn't you say that earlier? I gave you the wall. Now you are mad that I did not accept your assertion originally.
My disagreement is me discussing the policy. Now so you think Trump is the only presidential candidate who gave working class whites a voice? How is that true when there were more deportations under Obama than Trump? Explain that to me please. You are all about deporting immigrants so shouldn't you be saying Obama is protecting your interests more since he deported more immigrants than Trump? I mean immigrants are harmful to working class whites right?
Your opinion on the issue is irrelevant. THe point is that it was/is an interest that Working Class White have, and was not served by anyone before Trump (not for a long time).
Trump by championing it, became the Voice of the White Working Class.
The deportations under Obama were bullshit, and you know it, immigrant, that is why you don't hate Obama the way you hate Trump.
More deportations under Obama happening are not my opinion, that is a fact. So your attempt to dismiss that is not going to work lol. So this utterly destroyed your point about Trump being the first president to give working class whites a voice or act in their best interest. Obama according to your logic acted more so in the best interest of whites since he deported more immigrants.
The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. Go ahead and dispute that.
Working Class Whites disagree(d) with you. They did not see Obama as doing that, and did not feel that Obama was on their side. That you disagree, regardless of what facts you want to cite, is irrelevant to the FACT, that working class whites saw Trump as speaking to their interests and thus supported him.
It does not matter if they disagree with me. It is a fact Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did. Which you yourself said that it is in a working white man's best interest for that to happen since they take away jobs from working class whites. Just because they did not see that does it change the fact that he did that. That is like saying oh I first saw bullet dodging in the Matrix so that is my exposure to it therefore it is the first to do it. No it might be your first exposure to it but that does not mean it was the first film to do it. So I was just able to debunk your logic with that simple fact. Obama acted more so in the best interest of working class whites than Trump did since he deported more immigrants. So your statement about Trump being the first president to be in the interest of working class whites was a lie.
Dude. That was the most retarded thing I have read all day.
We are discussing the precieved self interest of Working Class Whites.
And you just dismissed their POV.
Why did someone like you, who is obviously fairly intelligent, say something so grossly retarded?
Becasue what is actually going on here, is that there is a conflict of interests between Working Class Whites and.... lets for now just call them the OTHER SIDE. Of which YOU are part of.
Except, you have gotten used to not even having to defend or explain your agenda to serve your interests.
And now that you do, you hate that. Because, your polices and political positions are so very, very difficult to defend on their merits.
Yeah because they perceive things wrong as do you. I can dismiss something when it is blatantly not true.
The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did. Therefore by your logic he is more for working class whites than Trump is.
Oh I can easily defend my position. I do not hate it at all. Thing is what is happening here is you are not used to someone challenging your view. You were not aware that I knew Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did. This is common among the right. They will never ever bring up this fact. They hide from it unless it is brought to the surface. They hide from it because they know it dismantles their guy.
Why should you respect a view when it is wrong? If someone came to you and said the earth was flat would you respect the view?
He did not become the voice of the working class whites, that is a lie you and them have bought into. You stated that deporting immigrants is in the best interest of the working class whites. You were praising him for this acting like it was a win for him in supporting you. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did so doesn't that mean he is more for the working class whites than Trump is? Since he deported more people that would mean by your logic he is giving you guys a voice right?
"Why should you respect a view when it is wrong? If someone came to you and said the earth was flat would you respect the view?"
YOU believe that Obama was serving the interests fo working class whites. I don't.
You can argue with me TODAY about that. But you cannot change the FACT back in 2016, I made my decision to support Trump based on my beliefs at that time.
It is not about "respecting" my view, so must as accepting that my political position is base don my view.
I am happy to discuss either aspect of this with you.
BUT, when you insist on conflating the two, so that you end up making the dsicussion about MY own thinking, that is you being a troll.
Of course you don't believe that. You don't believe it because you dislike Obama. Had this been Trump or a republican you would use this as a bragging point. Do not be biased and blind.
Oh so now you are attempting to weasel your way out of your beliefs. Trump prided himself on the wall being built and deporting immigrants. He failed to build the wall and Obama deported more immigrants than he did. So looks to me like he is batting 1000.
I accept your position however that does not mean I can't point out how it is wrong.
Whites were being more supported under Obama like I said before. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did. When Trump dies it will not be over lol? Did you seriously just type that? Wow you are more delusional than I thought. Keep fighting this invisible bullseye you have created in your head.
It is not just disagreeing. I can factually prove wrong that Trump did more for working class whites when it comes to immigration. Not an opinion that is a fact. The fact that you act like all I did was disagree is you being deceptive.
You have failed to defend how Trump deported less than Obama did.
Okay but in the end can a decision be wrong? Yes or no? Now we can judge it and see if their decision was right or wrong.
Okay that is true but since it is today we can see if their decisions were right or wrong. That was their view but it does not mean it is correct because it was their view at the time. People many years ago thought the earth was flat. It turned out to be false obviously.
Nice language lets keep things civil and cut down on the cussing. Your defenses of things are not all that convincing honestly.
So your thing is well in the past this is what people thought? Why is that suppose to sway me or make me have sympathy for that view? I knew back then that Trump was nothing more than a con man, a cheat and a liar. Only someone super gullible would believe half of the things he says. Supporting him in the past and thinking he had your best interest at heart is not an excuse. Bottom line even back then he was a joke of a candidate. Thing is though even now people still double down on insisting Trump is for the working class whites. So I am not buying your in the past excuse. People like yourself will support Trump no matter what and that is proven by his rabid fanbase. Even if you argue now and show them that Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did they still will double down. If they were admitting that they were wrong and called him out on the lies afterwards you would have a point. As it stands you have no grounds to stand on.
I am not stonewalling you simply disagree. I do not stoop to your level of foul mouthed insults. I have more class as an illegal immigrant than you do as an American citizen. How does that feel?
I never said that was not your reason. I pointed out how I think it is stupid. Even back then I knew that was a dumb reason to support the guy. Did you honestly believe the things he promised? You are right me disagreeing does not change that. You can be wrong in your reason though. You seem to not understand that.
Correct but this furthers my point. Trump supporters will not admit to being wrong. They will dig their heels in even if you disprove them today.
I accept it I just do not respect it. You seem to be getting confused here. I accept your reason I just can point out how it is false.
No rewriting of history here. I just can see through a lying conman where as the rest of you can not apparently.
1. In the context of the thread, the ONLY reason I mentioned it, was for historical purposes to explain what happened, ie how Trump became the voice of hte white working class. Your constant and unending attacks on that, in this context can only have one meaning. ARE YOU DROPPING THIS STUPID SHIT NOW, AND READY TO MOVE ON, OR DO WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT MORE?
2. And there you just proved my point. Talking about the past decision made back in 2016, and you respond as though my refusal to change the past, is a personal failing as a Trump supporter. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? That is literally insane.
3. No, you clearly do not. You are trying to change the past,which is clearly insane of you, AND you are being dishoenst about it, even as you are doing it.
4. Dude. You are being an asshole.
5. I think what is really going on here, is that you are hostile to the very idea of Working Classs Whites, existin as a group and/or having any interests and/or God Forbid, tryihng to advance them,
and yet on some level you know that is racist, so you shit talk to do it, without admitting that is what you are doing.
You are saying that is why people supported him. I got that. It does not make it logical or reasonable. I can list reasons as to why people believe the Earth is flat.
Nope you missed where I knew that was a foolish reason to support him even back then. I mention today because you act as if Trump supporters will be reasonable even if they get disproven. You are living proof they will not be.
Why would I respect a view when it is wrong? Even if I go back then I knew that was a bunch of crap. So no even excluding today you still have no point.
How? You are the one using foul language left and right. I just do not agree with you about Trump or many other politics.
If I were hostile towards working class whites I would despise Obama for deporting immigrants and helping them out. So no nice projection though.
Obama deported more immigrants than Trump that point stands. Face the facts.
1. It does make it reasonable. You picked out ONE reported stat from the Obama period as though that defines everything. Obama was clearly hostile to working class whites, both personally and politically and economically. Trump was supportive.
2. Who do you think working class whites should have picked instead of Trump? Obama? LOL. BUSH? lol. Trump was a gamble, but better a gamble than know bad choices. And it worked out pretty well.
3. You need to respect our right to have a leader and to have them advance our interests. THe feel I get from you, is that you do not.
4. You are doing more than just disagreeing with me. You are stonewalling.
5. Interesting stat. Very suspicous stat, since it was only under TRUMP that I heard about farmers having trouble finding illegals to pick their crops, and not under Obama. Obama, and his ilk, want amnesty and to continue massive high level of third world immigration forever. Trump, and Trump supporters do not want that.
Not it does not. It was not just the reported stat from Obama I listed. He also failed to build that wall which he promised would be finished and built. I knew back when he said it would happen that he would fail to deliver. He also said he would target Hilary Clinton and she would be in jail. So no sorry it does not make it reasonable. Nice try.
There were better candidates than Trump or Biden. How about go with the candidate that is best for the world? Instead you pick a candidate who you foolishly believe caters to your group. The only thing you care about is what is best for your group not the country. I care about what is best for the country not just one group of people. Thing is Trump sold you lies and you bought it.
No I do not. Not when he is a proven liar and a con man who has tanked many businesses along the way. You respect Obama for deporting more immigrants than Trump? Yeah did not think so.
Nope I am disagreeing. Disagreeing to you=stonewalling.
The stats do not lie. That is something you guys love to do is cite stats. The point stands Obama deported more people than Trump. I could care less about your personal experience.
1. HE did fail to buld the wall. ON the other hand, he did a fine job of bullying Mexico to, at least partially, stop illegals from FURTHER SOUTH, from crossing though MExico to come here.
IMO, and the opinion of most working class whites, Trump was a far better choice than anyone else.
2. "Instead you pick a candidate who you foolishly believe caters to your group. The only thing you care about is what is best for your group not the country. I care about what is best for the country not just one group of people. "
Now we are getting somewhere.
Your claim here is utterly unsupported. Wanting our interests represented and/or advanced in no way indicates that we do not care about others, or the country as a whole.
ALL groups in America, other than whites, are allowed to do that, indeed, every other group that does it, is fucking celebrated.
Blacks, browns, women, gays, blah, blah, blah, you got no problem with them having leaders or advocating for their interests to be advanced in policy.
When you single out ONE group, based on race, and oppose them having the same rights as everone else, to engage in the political process, that is not right.
Yet he still deported less immigrants than Obama. In my opinion and many others there were far better choices than Trump.
No it is not actually. You do not care about what happens to immigrants. You are fine with deporting people and breaking apart families. If you cared about the country as a whole there are many policies or laws you would not support. Yet you go radio silent on many issues. The only ones you are vocal about are the ones that are in your best interest. Do you feel the judicial system is fair to poor people? You already said no. On average there are more poor black people than whites. What do you say about this? Nothing. That is all I need to support my claim you only care about your group.
Whites have been allowed to do that for decades. How many black presidents has there been? Your group wants to fight against gay marriage. I thought everyone deserved to be treated equally? If so why is your group trying to ban gay marriage?
Whites on average make more money, and are given the majority of jobs. You are not the victim here.
1. Yet, it was under TRUMP, that farmers had trouble finding illegals to pick their crops. You sure those that were "deported" were really deported, or was that some sort of bullshit lying stat?
2. Throwing a shit list of policy statement at me is not an answer. It is a matter of principle. You conflated wanting representaion with not caring about others. That is YOU denying to respect our EQUAL RIGHT to political participation.
3. Whites are NOT allowed to discuss their interests as a group or advance their interests. Any HINT of such a move, sets up a fire storm of race baiting from teh vile left and their dogs in big media. Hell, note the way you came at me for doing so. You are a great example of the hostility to the idea.
4. Whites supposedly making more money on average, is irrelevant to... just about everything in this thread. YOu are attacking me for simply supporting the idea that working class whites have the right to speak of their interests and to advocate for them.
The stat you can not refute. You are now attempting to discredit a fact because it does not align with your political beliefs. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. You have no facts to refute this. Provide a fact disputing this or concede.
Because it is obvious you only care about your group. You want whites to have a bigger advantage than they already do. You are fine with laws which hinder other races more so than whites. you have displayed this. It is not me lying you have shown it dude.
Yes they are that is hogwash and you know it. Steven Crowder spoke on whites behalf all the time. He has many followers and supporters and is still currently on youtube. I could easily turn this around. Anytime a gay person wants to speak out you guys absolutely lose it. This is evident since you guys want to make gay marriage illegal again.
Nope it is completely relevant. You are talking about how whites are not treated equally. How is that true when on average they make more money and get more job offers than anyone?
1. THe problem is not that it does not align with my political beliefs. It does not align with OBAMA'S political beliefs. Or yours. Both of you are clearly pro-illegal immgiration, yet you cite this stat as though you are proud of it, and it gives you moral authority, yet, it clearly contradicts your desires.
2. I have never heard a black political organization speaking out for whitess. I have never heard a woman's political organization speaking out for men. ECT. And I have never heard a lefty express any problem wtih that, or them. Yet, when WHITES dare to speak out, they get judged very differently.
3. Steve CROWDER? An YOUTUBE INFLUENCER? lol!!!! Whites are over 60% of this country and the most powerful example you have of whites organizing and advodating is a YOU TUBE INFLUENCER? lol!!!!!!!
4. Because I am speaking of the way that they are treated, not the way things end re socioeconomic status. Plenty fo whites manage to do well for themselves, despite the many discrimination and oppressions placed in their path by people like you and Obama. That does not mean that your ill intent was not there and a problem for us. It is worth noting that JEWS are on average, wealthier than whites. Does that mean that antisemitism is not real? LOL
It does align with his beliefs considering it happened under his run. If he were so against it he would not be deporting illegal immigrants. You are the one who claims he is pro illegal immigration yet the facts say otherwise. Actions speak louder than words now don't they? Oh and fyi I am by no means a big Obama fan. I actually disagree with him about immigration policy as well.
And I have heard your group lose it when gays speak out or blacks speak out in their interests. People say all lives matter whenever blm is cited. Now lets forget about the organization of blm. Lets look at the sentiment. When someone says blm that means black lives matter also. Your group takes it as they are saying only black lives matter. It is liking going to someone who is at cancer awareness event and saying well what about Alzheimers? By raising awareness about cancer are you stating other diseases do not matter or exist? Your groups reaction to the George Floyd event was also telling. Backing a cop who was blatantly in the wrong. Do not mention the organization of blm I am talking about the sentiment. I do not support blm I was simply using that as a way you guys dismiss black people's view.
Not the only one I have plenty of others that do that as well. Charlie Kirk, Jesse Lee Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Stephen Miller, Candace Owens, Vivek Ramaswamy, etc.
Again how are they treated bad when they have more money and are offered more jobs? This is a dumb statement. If you have more money society treats you better especially in America. You already agreed the judicial system is kinder to those with money. I am not denying racism against whites exist. That is with any race of people. I like you am talking about as a whole you guys are treated more than fairly on average. Anti Semitism is real but you do not hear me saying that they are the victims as a whole currently like you are trying to do with whites.
1. Plenty of reasons a politican might claim to have done somethign that he does not personally agree with. Political tactics, political pressure, two obvious reasons off the top of my head. That you pretend otherwise, is you gaslighting.
Trump was the clear choice for working class whites.
2. Um you completely failed to address my point. YOu are attacking whites who speak of whites' interests as though they do not care about anyone else. YOU do not hold black organizations to that standard. That is YOU holding whites to a different standard based on race.
Whites have the right to organize and advocate for their interest. Working class whites picked Trump. You have a problem wtih us doing that. That is you pushing the idea that whites do not have the same rights as everyone else.
3. Vivek is the ONLY person on there of a status to be on there, barely. And he just started and as a reaction to Trump. On the other side, you have names like OBAMA, and MLK. Names that created policies that have ruled us for decades.
4. HOw? By laws adn practices that discriminate against them based on theird race. You cannot discriminate in favor on one groups, say BLACKS, wihtout discriminating against someone else. Use your brain. The averages, are a cold comfort to an individual white who is denied a job, that he really needed. INDIVIDUALS are where civil rights happen. YOu discrinimate against one person, it does not matter how well everyone else with his skin color is doing. You are still FUCKING HIM.
I judge a president based off his actions. The point stands he deported more immigrants than Trump did. I do not care what you think his reasons are the bottom line is we have the facts in front of us. I do not think he is pro illegal immigration like you claim. That is my opinion. Thing is we can debate that back and forth all day it does not change the fact that he deported immigrants. I have facts to back what he believes you have opinions. He did not claim to have done something he did it. Fail again.
No I directly addressed it. You attack blacks or gays for speaking out in their favor. Whites can speak out in their favor but many of them including you only care about their own interests and care nothing about others. This is not limited to whites. It is the problem with the world we live in, people have I am getting mine attitude. So no it is not me holding whites to a different standard I just see what it is that you are doing. You claim to be speaking out in your favor but in reality you only care about your interest. I would call out another race for this very thing as well. You simply are not exempt because I see through you.
Never said whites do not have the right to pick Trump. I said their reasons were foolish for picking him. Do not twist my words. If black people supported someone for a stupid reason I would say the same thing.
Trump was simply a reaction to Obama. MLK created policies that needed to be in place. Before him blacks were definitely not treated equally. What policies did Obama make that hindered whites? We can dismiss MLK because he did not hinder whites. He made it to where it was equal. I can list others on your side that made policies which helped your group out as well.
On average whites have more money. You agreed with this fact because it is indisputable. Okay that is one.
Number two the judicial system treats those who have money better than it does poor people. This is also a fact you could not dispute. On average they are also offered more jobs. Yet you want to say whites are the ones discriminated against? How when they have more money and are offered more jobs on average?
1. Yeah you said that. You challenged my as to why some politician would say something or do something he does not believe in. I gave you reasons.
Obama's claimed factoid re deportations, do not fit with his political ideology or partisan positions. He was/is clearly hostile to working class whites and sympathetic to illegal aliens. As are you.
2. I was not attacking blacks for advocating their interests. I clearly cited them as an example to show how you were treating whites differently that you treat blacks. You are playing dumb to avoid admitting that are racist against whites.
3. I didn't say you SAID, it, I said that you are clearly SHOWING it. And you are. Over and over again.
4. Trump was not simply a reaction to Obama. This portion of your post is just a list of shit talk. THe fact remains. Whites have NOT had leaders to advocate for their interests since the mid 60s. You have not named ONE.
5. LEss than jews. Yet you admit that jews face antisemitism. You defense against the idea fo anti-white racism si stupid and weak.
The reasons really do not matter. What matters is actions and results. Actions speak louder than words. If Bill Gates stops and gives someone 5000 dollars that person could go he only did that to look good in the public eye. That person regardless should be glad they received 5000 dollars for nothing regardless of Gates's reason. Even if that is true he did not have to give that person that money. So even if you think Obama did not do that for genuine reasons you should be happy he did it. I mean after all deporting immigrants helps white people. See now you want to play the card of well yeah but he did not do it for genuine reasons. Bottom line it happened accept it. You can't argue facts.
No he was not hostile considering he deported tons of immigrants. I am an illegal immigrant I let that be known early on when talking to you. I do not have issues with immigrants that is you.
Nope I just barely said if a black person supported a candidate for dumb reasons I would call them on it. So no you are lying.
I only said it was foolish to pick him because I could see through him. Nothing more nothing less.
No it is the truth. Part of Trump's appeal is he the exact opposite of a typical politician. Obama spoke much more kindly and like I said spoke like a politician. Trump is a loud blowhard moron that is foul mouthed. Americans love that. They think because he can shoot off his mouth that he is some beacon of truth. Um no I listed Vivek Ramaswamy that is one. I also can list Chris Christie, and Ron Desantis. So no stop being deceptive.
You never disputed my point. Whites are offered more jobs and make more money on average than blacks. You are moving to Jews because you realized you could not dispute this.
1. You challenged my as to why some politician would say something or do something he does not believe in. I gave you reasons.
Obama's claimed factoid re deportations, do not fit with his political ideology or partisan positions. He was/is clearly hostile to working class whites and sympathetic to illegal aliens. As are you.
2. The point is that you clearly treat white organizations differently than black ones. Why is that?
3. More stonewalling.
4. Obama was a smug asshole who shit over white people repeatedly. Name one policy that Chris Christie has every pused that advanced the interests of white people.
5. My point about jews is simple and clear. Your refusal to address it, is you admitting that you cannot. You are being a stonewalling asshole now.
The reasons do not matter. Actions and results do. You seem to not get that. I can list reasons people believe the Earth is flat. I can list why people believe in real life vampires. What do you say to that? You look at the facts and go from there. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump that is a fact.
Does not matter. You can't change the facts. Breaking the law goes against a police officer's ideology does that mean there are no corrupt cops? This is a cop out from you because you know you have been proven wrong. I never denied being sympathetic to illegal aliens. I am an illegal immigrant myself how could I not be sympathetic to them? Why are you pointing this out again when I said it already? Obama is not sympathetic to them otherwise he would not have deported them. That is like saying a thief is sympathetic to someone getting stolen from. Um his actions are not exactly lining up with that belief set.
Nope I do not. I call out ANYONE who supports someone for a dumb reason. This goes for whites, blacks, hispanic etc.
Nope you are the one stonewalling now actually.
He deported more immigrants than Trump did. So he actually helped out whites more than Trump did you failed here. Nope first admit that I listed leaders when you lied and said I did not. Then we can move on. You don't get to jump around to whatever helps your narrative.
Address my point about whites getting more job offers and making more money on average than blacks. I am not letting you deflect. Address my point or concede to being wrong.
1. The reasons do matter. And as I as speaking for MYSELF and my people, for you to disagree with our thought process AS THOUGH that means they did not happen, is insanely arrogant and rude of you.
2. Obama, imo, was sympathetic to illegals, adn considered his deportations a price to pay so that he could strengthen his hand, to get the real prize, ie AMNESTY. People sometimes have to do shit they don't like, to get what they want. Your pretense of not getting that, is not credible.
3. I have never seen any lefty call out non-white organizations or groups advocating for their interests, the way you lefties call out white organizations or groups.
4. SHITT TALK.
5. list one policy that chris christie did, that advanced white interests. ANd your list of leaders were not leaders. Don't be a prick.
6. I did addrerss it. I showed with my example of jews that a group can face discrimination and then still achieve good group results. Then I went on to discuss how discrimination occurrs on an individial basis and those individuals hurt, are still hurt. YOur pretense that I did not do this, is you stonewalling and being very rude. You act like you are being civil, but you are actually being quite an ass.
No they do not. Actions and results do. Like I said there are reasons people believe the Earth is flat do you respect their reasons? Anyone who can see things for what they are should be able to see Trump was a fraud.
Again your opinion. I have facts to back me up on him deporting immigrants you have your opinion. Bottom line he deported more people than Trump did. Notice I do not question Trump's results I go by them and judge the results. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump did. You can't dispute that no matter how hard you try.
So because you have not personally seen it that means it does not occur? Interesting logic. I have not seen the dead body of JFK personally does that mean he was not murdered?
No you are stonewalling now.
Yeah they were. Is Ron Desantis not a leader? Is Vivek Ramaswamy not a leader? Chris Christie wants to deport immigrants. That is a big thing that helps out whites isn't it?
No you tried to move onto to Jews as a means to deflect. I never said a group can't achieve good things while facing discrimination. That was not what we were talking about originally. I said whites on average make more money, and are offered more jobs than blacks. So explain to me how they are worse off than black people are? I am giving you the chance to show how whites are facing current discrimination when they have those things going for them.
2. Obama wanting amnesty is also a fact. YOu seem to only be focused on "Facts" when it serves your purpose.
3. If I missed it happening, then correct me. Otherwsise, drop the shit. THe point stands. You lefties treat whites differently.
5. Just goggled Christie on immigration. Most I could find was him changing his tune AFTER trump in 2016. That is not impressive. That sounds like the bullshit lip service working class whites got from the old guard, not real representation.
6. You present whties good things to try to refute my claim of anti-white discrimination. If you are admitting that "good results" does not mean discrimination did not occurr, then that is you admitting your point was false.
Because I find your reasons to be ignorant. I understand your reasons I just think they are ignorant.
Nope I just list them as a means to dismantle you. Immigration is a big thing you focused on. So I figured citing the fact that Obama deported more immigrants dismantles your claim.
Okay then do not act like the world revolves around your experience. What point stands? You said you lefties. You do not know if all lefties treat whites differently. You threw out a generalization as if it applies to all lefties. That is false and ignorant. So no your point does not stand.
You wanted something he supported which benefited whites, I gave you the thing he supported which did.
No it is me asking how whites are worse off? You openly stated that America in your words is wacist against whites. See back when discrimination occurred against blacks before the 1960's. Blacks could not use the same restrooms, were slaves did not have the right to vote etc. I fail to see how whites are being discriminated against as a whole the way you are claiming. Blacks even back when being discriminated against before the 1960's were able to achieve good things. However when averaging out money, jobs, rights treatment etc they were treated badly. So elaborate how are they worse off than black people?
1. Your insult is noted. THe fact remains. We choose TRUMP as our leader. FYI, I consider you an asshole.
2. YOur use of a single factoid as though it defines a complex issue, is you being dishonest. You are dishonest, becuase you know you cannot be truthful and defend your position.
3. I though out a generalization, as though it applies to lefties generally. Pretending to be so fucking stupid to not understand generalities is a common lefty tactic. THe point stands. YOu lefties treat whites differently. That is anti-white bigotry on your part.
4. And your best example was some lip service from the fat guy. That is so unimpressive that it actually makes MY point, that before TRump, the white workign class did NOT have a voice.
5. You cannot discriminate in favor of one group, or a lot of groups, without discriminating against someone else. Whites, especially workign class whites, seem to be the people that generally are the ones bearing that burder.
I did not insult you. I said I thought your reasons were ignorant. The same way people's reason for believing the Earth is flat are ignorant. I do not care what you consider me. You seem to call anyone who disagrees with you that so big deal. You have insulted me many times during this discussion fyi. Notice how I still remain civilized unlike you?
Nope I cited it because you focused on immigration. I cite the fact about Obama and then you attempt to discredit the fact by saying well yeah but... No the fact is there you do not get to dispute it because you dislike Obama.
No you did not say that. You said you lefties. That is not saying most. So nope your point does not stand. You said that as if it applied to all lefties. If I wanted to be rude I could say you needed to say generally you lefties. Anyways I think this door swings both ways. In general you conservatives criticize any group speaking out for their interests other than whites.
So you want a reason, I give it and then you dismiss it based on the reasons you feel they support it? See how that works? If I give a reason then you will go yeah but... insert excuse here. I do not care on why you think a person supports something I look at facts. He wants immigrants deported the point stands.
So show me how they are worse off than blacks currently. You have said working class whites are the ones targeted and being discriminated against. Show me how.
1. You state that you respect the right of working class whites to have a leader and/or to advocate for our interests, but ALL YOU HAVE DONE, is cast DISRESPECT AND CONTEMPT on us for having done so. You follow the forms of civility, but are actuallly being a complete ass, AND a bigot.
2. Your stonewalling is noted. You stonewall this, becuase, as seems standard for lefties, any mention of whites or specifically working class whites even HAVING an group identity or interests triggers you and actives your opposition.
3. We do not attack them for speaking out in their own interests. We might attack them for their message or methods, but we ACTUALLY respect their right to have a voice. As opposed to what YOU are doing here.
4. I wanted an EXAMPLE. You gave your example. It proved my case, as I already explained. This bit where you ignore that I answered a point and make the point again? THat's stonewalling and very rude of you.
5. Are you seriously pretending to not be aware of the massively practiced policy of "affrimative action" and "increasing diversity"? See this is what I am talkign about. YOu SAY that you respect the right of whites to have and advocate interests, but EVERY FUCKING TIME, any white guy even hints at trying, all we get from lefties like you is a wall of BULLSHIT.
TRUMP blew though that wall. That is what you hate him and feel a NEED to stonewall against ANY attempt to even discuss him or the issues he raised seriously.
I said I respect your right to support who you want. I do not have to respect your reasons when it is not logical. There is a difference.
No I am just not letting you deny the fact that Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. That by your own admission is in the interest of working class whites.
That is a blatant lie. Anytime someone would say blm you would immediately have someone say all lives matter. No you guys only respect people when they speak out on your behalf.
Your reasons disputed nothing. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump that is a fact. The point stands.
Affirmative action was response to all the damage discrimination did. You are pretending that once discrimination happened everything was perfectly fair. You realize that still affected people's lives even after discrimination ended correct?
No I just do not like con men who are full of lies and deceit.
1. YOu said it. And then constantly attack us as "ignorant" or "stupid". Your actions far outweigh your words.
2. You are stonewalling on that one stat, to justify your constant insults and disrespect.
3. As I said. We might attack their message, since we disagree with it. But we do not attack them as being "ignorant" or "stupid" for simply thinking that as a group, ie black people that they should have and/or advance their interests. Note also how rarely we insult the whole of blacks, when we do so, while you have CONSTANTLY insulted all trump supporters.
4. Nice to see the way you are running away from your own example of Chris Christie. He was a weak ass example. BUt, then again, you didn't have a better one. Which was my point. Trump was the first. Your denial at this point is you stonewalling. You "forgetting" what your own point was, was you being a dishonest ass.
5. Don't tell me what I "pretend". My point stands. "affirmative action" is massive and widespread discrimination against whites. YOU DENIED IT. That was you being either retarded or a liar. Which was it?
6. LOL. BULL FUCKING SHIT. You have a conflict of interests with working class whites, and/or Americans, but you don't have the balls to be honest about it. Immigrant.
No I said the reason was stupid and ignorant. I never disrespected someone's right to vote for someone. I do not respect the reason. So no fail again from you.
Nope I am citing it because that was one of the big things you said helped working class whites. So of course that will be my focus. The point stands Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. I like how no mater how hard you try you can't skate around that fact.
Oh please. I have heard plenty of racial slurs levied at black people for speaking up for their group lobbed from conservatives. That is a straight up lie and you know it. George Floyd is a prime example of how your group was backing the police even if they were in the wrong. Then attempting to gaslight people into saying it was not wrong since Floyd was not an upstanding person. I was not born yesterday. Try again.
I gave you the example about Chris Christie supporting deporting illegal immigrants. That is all I need. So no again you are failing and making it easy for me. The point stands here as well Chris Christie supports deporting illegal immigrants.
Nope I am calling out what you are pretending. Did all the affects of discrimination end the second it stopped? Answer that question. You can't answer this because it hurts your position. I will tell you what you pretend all I want. You will not be stopping me either. Answer the question or you can concede to this as well.
That would be you since you despise Obama lol. He deported more immigrants than Trump which helps working class whites.
1. Bullshit. You have clearly demonstrated a deep hostility towards us. YOu pay lip service to our right to advocate, becuase even you realize you would look retarded otherwisee, but then do NOTHING but talk shit about our actually DOING IT.
2. Dude. We are past that. You are STONEWALLLING like a little troll boi. Admit it, you side with immigrants AGAINST working class whites.
3. And again you play retard to dodge thee point. The point is that we respect their right to advocate for their interests. Your evasion demonstrates your dishonestly and lack of good faith.
4. I asked you for an example of a leader who was a voice for working class whites. Teh BEST you could come up with, was some weasel words from Chris Christie that he only did in RESPONSE to Trump. That you PRETEND to think that was a good enough example, is just you talking shit. BTW, lying to someone's face like that, is super rude and disrepectful. Your civility is a thin veneer over you being an ass.
5. How is that question even relevant? THe point is that I proved discrimination against whites. Discrimination that you KNEW was ongoing, when you DENIED IT. That was you LYING again. WHAT THE FUCK do you think you are doing? That you have to LIE constantly to defend your position should tell you something. If you have HALF A FUCKINGN BRAIN.
No you are just upset that I do not agree with nor respect dumb reasons to support someone. I said nothing about nor did I disrespect your right to support who you want. You attempted to have the two coincide and now that isn't working you are trying to project. It is okay those that project are doing it because they themselves are guilty of what they are trying to accuse others of.
We are not past it. You tried to move past it because there was no way to refute it. I openly admitted I side with immigrants. I am an illegal immigrant. We are not talking about what I side with we are talking about whether Obama was against working class whites. Clearly he is not since he deported more illegal immigrants than Trump. Again nice deflection.
How did I dodge when that is what happened? You do not respect their right, it is why you guys lose your minds anytime a group other than your own speaks out. So no that is a lie, you are not fooling me.
Not weasel words when that is what he supports. You are doing that now because again you can't dispute that fact. The point stands he is against illegal immigration.
Because it illustrates how stuff does not disappear over night. Affirmative action was a response to discrimination that happened and hindered so many people for a long time. You pretend once discrimination ended everything was set straight and all wrongs were righted. Clearly that is not the case. I never denied affirmative action being discrimination I just know you are not looking at why it occurs in the big picture. So answer the question did all the affects of racism and oppression suddenly vanish in the 1960's?
Ha no. The point stands you got taken to school on illegal immigration facts about Obama. You can't dispute it as much as you try.
2. Obama was clearly hostile to me and mine and on your side, which is why you like him. You know that you are in teh wrong, thus lying is your choice of tactic.
3. I explained that in my previous post. I am getting bored with you playing stupid.
4. BUT, you did not say that before. You pretended to be UNAWARE of the massive anti-white discrimination taking place in our society. Instead of "conceeding the point, in good faith", the way I did with the judicial system, you played dumb and made me support the point. NOw you are talking shit about what I am supposedly "pretending".
5. Dude. YOu are getting your ass completely kicked and trying to be smug about it. You look pathetic. What country are you actually a citizen of?
No stonewalling, it is not letting you skate around facts. I know you are not used to being held accountable. I respect your right to vote for Trump but I do think your reasons were ignorant. My point stands.
Nowhere did I ever say I liked or supported Obama. I actually disagree with him about how he handled illegal immigrants. You assume I supported him because I was able to point out something he did better than Trump. I am an illegal immigrant and no I am not a fan of Obama. Your lie and projection is noted and dismissed. Quit being deceptive please.
By not being able to refute it. So the point still stands there smart one. Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. You denying this?
Nope I did not. I asked you a question. You would not answer it. You did not concede to Obama deporting more immigrants than Trump. You attempted to downplay that fact. Annoying huh? Do not dish out what you can't take.
Um no I have actually caught you in several contradictions and lies. The point stands about Obama. Learn to be humble and not act like a scumbag got it? I also beat you on the Chris Christie point as well. That point stands as well. Beating you is honestly fun. I like putting arrogant people in their place.
3. The point is that we respect their right to advocate for their interests. Your evasion demonstrates your dishonestly and lack of good faith.
4. You pretended to be UNAWARE of the massive anti-white discrimination taking place in our society. Instead of "conceeding the point, in good faith", the way I did with the judicial system, you played dumb and made me support the point. NOw you are talking shit about what I am supposedly "pretending".
5. Dude. You are just being a stonewalling asshole here. Your example of Chris Christi proved MY point.
Continue to show your education by using foul language.
I do not care what you believe. You made a claim and have no way to back it.
You do not respect that. That is lip service from you. Spare me the deceit.
Nope I did not. I asked you a question. You would not answer it. You did not concede to Obama deporting more immigrants than Trump. You attempted to downplay that fact. Annoying huh? Do not dish out what you can't take.
No it actually hindered you further. He approves of deporting illegal immigrants. You denying this other fact?
3. How do you figure? Oh, wait, because we don't AGREE with them?
4. Yep, you asked a question, instead of conceeding a point that you knew was true. That is you revealing that you are operating in bad faith.
5. Your best example was a fat man talking some words during a campaign. That proves my point, that working class whites did NOT have a voice in national policy before Trump.
2. Dude. YOU are clearly the dishonest one here. We both know that.
3. Correct. We disagree with their message. I do believe you here. I do believe that you are so close minded that you cannot distinguish between agreement, and supporting someone's rights. However this goes both ways. Your failure there, also shows that you do NOT support OUR same right to do the same. BY YOUR OWN RULES.
4. Big differente between not agreeing that a single stat is the end of a complex issue, which I did, and pretendign to not be aware of a huge policy that you are actually aware of, which is what YOU did. YOu are dishonest.
5. LOL. Some unconvincing promises is the best you got as an example of a working class white representation. That makes MY point, that Trump was the first. YOU LOSE. Your stonewalling is you being a dishoenst asshole.
So you choose to double down on using foul language? Your immaturity is noted.
Nope. I never once claimed to support Obama. You know you have lied and are attempting to try and pin an accusation on me. You are doing this out of insecurity.
Then why is all lives matter said in a mocking tone? You are mocking it like that because you respect the view and simply disagree? Highly doubtful. You can't differentiate between disagreeing with someone's reasons and respecting their right to do something. So no that would actually be you buddy. You are the one who can't differentiate. That is a you problem.
Not what you originally did. You need to state okay Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. Otherwise you are operating in bad faith. Using your logic here.
Lol you also were convinced by Trump's unconvincing promises. You were convinced he would have that wall built and paid for by Mexico. So you want to get mad at me for believing a promise you believe is false when you fell for the same thing? LMAO! Man this was a knockout punch from me to you. You lost this round badly. Is that wall he promised built? Nope it is not. The point stands Christie supports deporting immigrants. You are a joke. I like seeing you get dismantled. I can't stand arrogance. You are a dishonest arrogant entitled person.
Dude. Admit it. You are an illegal alien so you know that your interests and the interests of your loved ones, are in CONFLICT with working class white Americans.
THus, you are HOSTILE to US.
Your talk of respecting our right to advocate is clearly bullshit. You know that if we do, it will be a terrible threat to you and yours.
Nope you do not get to deflect like that. I never said I supported Obama. You pinned that on me when actually I disagree with Obama since he deported immigrants.
I am not hostile towards anyone. That is you. You are the one who uses foul language when someone does not agree with you.
Nope that is you who lies like that. By the way you got completely knocked out in other debates on here outside of me also.
I used foul language when you are incredibly rude to me.
You are hostile to me and mine. Thus you talk shit about respecting our right to advocate,
but in reality you attack us if we try and dismiss everything we say, to the point of lying about it, and argue and stonewall on every point, like a complete asshole.
Trump stepped forward and spoke out for US, and in return we supported him politically.
That is the way it is supposed to work and only a dishonest asshole would pretend otherwise.
Everything you said except for your final point, was dishonest shit. Let's focus on the one point you actually made.
5. That is still shit talk. No politician is able to keep all of their promises.
Trump might have failed to Build the Wall, but he is still representing US, and him losing will be a loss for US as a group. And a victory for our enemies, like yourself.
No it was not. You just are now going to paint me in a negative light because I disagreed with you. I never said I supported Obama and I never once said you did not have the right to vote for Trump.
Lol it is not trash talk. You would call out Obama on any lie you could dig up on him. When it comes to Trump who is a republican you become an apologist and will gladly look past his lies.
He did not just fail to build the wall. Him not building that wall and deporting less immigrants than Obama is not representing you. If so that is quite bad since Obama is doing a better job representing you than he is. It is okay I remember what it was like to be brainwashed once. Thing is I actually grew out of that where as it seems you in an arrested state of development. It is okay though we will see what happens come election time. Your guy has quite the hill to climb. One day you will learn that he is a con man and you bought the snake oil. He is not a good president nor a good man.
So you are allowed to say I am lying when I say I do not support Obama. However I am not allowed to call you on something I feel you are lying about got it. I will anyways, I think you are lying and think you would do that to Obama or anyone who is on your opposite side.
I have no conflict with groups, I have conflicts with their ideology. I just do not support Trump. I have no issue with immigrants as I am one myself. He is actively against them which would be against my own interest.
I do not hate him I just do not support him. Nice manipulation tactic but it is not working so you can stop.
I am not talking trash. Who is the one who shouted out all this foul language? Was that me? No that was you actually nice try.
AMJF is dumb enough to think the persecution his side has levied against conservatives for the better part of a decade will just be forgotten and forgiven after Trump lol
1. massive wealth disparity - have you noticed that only the rich run for office?
2. broken justice system, which declared that corporations are people and can funnel as much money as they please into candidates of their choosing (that pretty much broke democracy - servants of the people my arse).
3. Absolutely corrupted mainstream journalism - these days, when you hear the truth being spoken in the mainstream news, it's a pleasant surprise. After the elections, Trump was demonized at every corner - oftentimes based on fraudulent claims made by Dem party (remember the russia gate?). Meanwhile, Biden has been.... well, an utter nightmare in his actions and inactions, and the mainstream media stays mum.
You are 100% correct on 1 and 2 BUT both were brought to you by... REPUBLICANS. Trickle down is demonstrably a failed doctrine. Also what did Trump ever do to alleviate either??? His vested interest is in keeping them the same though his #1 goal has always been enriching himself and pumping he ego. That much is crystal clear.
Do you see the democrats fixing the system and the problems in question?
You have uniparty and yet you are determined to see fault in only one pseudo-separate section of it.
Neither party represents the people - both parties protect the system.
Trump promised to drain the swamp, but only filled it with more swamp creatures.
Meanwhile, Biden brought the entire swamp with him.
The slight tightening of immigration, did result in some hopefully and fully to be expected signs in lower end wages, ie lower end wages were rising FASTER than higher wages, a great rarity.
So Trump did actually manage to address one of those problems before teh Covid Hammer came down on the economy.
AND, as for the corrupt Justice System and Media, voting against Trump would be a massive vote of support for those systems at this point.
So, assuming you're correct (Huge assumption), how is this different from when J Edgar was using the justice system to criminalize those working for civil rights etc.? Or is it only bad when conservatives are the target (again a huge assumption)? There were ACTUAL crimes committed up to and including sedition. Or does that just not matter if it fits with your regressive world view? NOTHING like this has happened since the Civil War.
The left love showing us what utterly despicable, disgusting ghouls they are in reality. Just need to look at social media any time a prominent conservative dies and they're all there beating themselves off in glee about it.
"Content that threatens or advocates for harm on oneself or others, or otherwise violent content"
I didn't threaten or advocate a heart attack OR a stroke for Trump. Besides, how can anyone?
AMJF should be banned for his violent hate speech along with you, you've both threatened conservatives many times and should be removed for it and only dumb faggots reply to this post.