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Are 'indictments' actually worth a shit anymore?


I'm aware of the actual legalese 'terminology' behind such...but given that Trump has been hit with these (ever since he ran for initial presidency) and every other week his opposition come up with new indictments (each one, allegedly worse than the previous)

Have the left completely 'pimped out' the word/act of indictment (as they've done with the terms 'racist, 'bigot, homophobe, etc) to stretching point...to make them now meaningless?

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It is worse than that, imo. The very act of so much politically motivated investigations and overcharging, imo, violates his right to due process.

All of these charges need to be throw out or crushed in the supreme court.

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Trump, while president, has made it clear in the past that due process is not for little people. Especially gun owners. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716578/user-clip-guns-first-due-process

Why are you so concerned about any imaginary loss of due process for Trump? He has yet to spend a single day in jail. His gullible followers are sending him money to maintain his lavish lifestyle every time he whines about another indictment.

His legal problems, so far, are a cash cow. This is better than luring people into bogus investment opportunities, declaring bankruptcy, then running away from his debts. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/trumps-indictments-spurred-biggest-fundraising-days-campaign-rcna97568

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Because a. it is not imaginary and b. I oppose the idea of political prisoners.


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How if Trump not benefiting from due process? There was an investigation and an indictment. He is still a free man. It is possible he might not be allowed bail, but that would be his own fault.

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[–] Corbell (3917) 2 hours ago
Because a. it is not imaginary and b. I oppose the idea of political prisoners.
and (C) DJT is NOT a political prisoner. 👍

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Politically motivated investigation and prosecution. If he goes to jail, he will be a political prisoner.

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[–] Corbell (3925) 6 hours ago
Politically motivated investigation and prosecution. If he goes to jail, he will be a political prisoner.
Try this POV on for size: The Indictments, three of them read this way:

The United States Of America

v.

Donald John Trump


The fourth Indictment reads as follows:

The State of Georgia

v.

Donald John Trump


It is NOT the Democratic Party, it is not President Biden, it is not RINOs, it is not Marxists, it is not Communists v. Donald John Trump. It is the United States of America v Donald John Trump, just a citizen. The indictments DON'T say the defendant as President, Ex-President, Clown, or failed businessman. It just says, Donald John Trump.

The indictments were issued because citizens sat down and heard the evidence as presented and were informed of the statutes, laws, acts, ordinances, bills, amendments, prohibitions, enactments, constitutions; that were in some shape or form violated, abridged, broken by noted and named defendant.

You either are for the Rule of Law under the constitution of the United States or you are not.


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And again, we see a lefty acting like, becuase the formatlities were observed that that doesn't make it a political witch hunt.

You went full retard. Never go full retard.

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[–] Corbell (3932) 23 minutes ago
And again, we see a lefty acting like, becuase the formatlities were observed that that doesn't make it a political witch hunt.

You went full retard. Never go full retard.
I love and own Tropic Thunder on Blu-Ray. Here is an extended quote(s) from Tropic Thunder:

Alpa Chino: As for why I'm in this movie, maybe I just knew I had to represent. Cause they had one good part in this movie for a Black man and they gave it to Crocodile Dundee.

Kirk Lazarus: Pump your brakes, kid. That man's a national treasure.

Alpa Chino: I just wanted to throw another shrimp on your Barbie.

Lazarus: That sh*t ain't funny.

Alpa Chino: I'm just f*cking with you, Kangaroo Jack. I'm sorry if a dingo ate yo baby.

Lazarus: You know that's a true story? Lady lost her kid. You about to cross a f*cking line.

Kevin Sandusky: Hey guys could we just cool it...

Alpa Chino: You know what, f*ck that, I'm sick of this koala-hunting ni**a-

Lazarus: For 400 years, that word has kept our people down.

Alpa Chino: ..what the f*ck!?

Lazarus: Took a whole lot of tryin, just to get up that hill, but now we up in the big leagues...

Alpa Chino: That's the theme songs from The Jeffersons.

Lazarus: Just cause it's a theme song doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because all of the I's have been dotted and the T's have been crossed in my summary of the process of Jurisprudence (all formalities have been observed) does NOT mean that it causes or prevents a Politically based or biased result. It means that the LAW and Justice (are both blind) will be followed, understood, and the accused is guaranteed his/her day in court.

Just saying Political Witch hunt on TV doesn't make it so. Calling a government, a Banana Republic on a message board doesn't make it so, calling someone a political prisoner is nothing more than speech BUT doesn't make it so. 👍

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Correct. It is the FACT that we all know, is that the "LAW" was NOT blind here, the "LAW" as enacted by the lefties in teh government, WITH FULL SIGHT, targetted Trump, not based on the needs of LAW or JUSTICE, but based on

POLITICAL MOTIVES AND INTENTIONS.


THAT is what makes it a witch hunt. My calling it that on a message board, is just my observing the facts your side's behavior, not causing it.

YOUR SIDE is the cause, I am just an observer of your bad behavior.


I do note that I have made this point many times already. So far your side's response seems to be to ignore what I say and just restate the same retarded shit you already said, as though something has cchanged in the last few minutes.

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[–] Corbell (3937) a minute ago
Correct. It is the FACT that we all know, is that the "LAW" was NOT blind here, the "LAW" as enacted by the lefties in the government,
You're confused and what you are positing is an "Opinion" and not even a learned, legal, or political opinion due to lacking veracity.
WITH FULL SIGHT, targeted Trump,
Hmmmm, again that sounds very much like your "Opinion".
not based on the needs of LAW or JUSTICE,
Wow look another unsubstantiated, biased, non-precedented "Opinion"
but based on POLITICAL MOTIVES AND INTENTIONS.
All of your statements, summaries, observations, and allegations have no witnesses under oath, sworn to obey the law, overseen by a tribunal, etc, etc, yada, yada, yada..

All you are doing is proselytizing in the Court-Of-Public-Opinion and losing.
THAT is what makes it a witch hunt. My calling it that on a message board, is just my observing the facts your side's behavior, not causing it.
Just examine WHAT you have just said. You are not a witness to any of the behaviors on this boards besides "Speech", "Debate", "Banter".
YOUR SIDE is the cause, I am just an observer of your bad behavior.
But would make an unreliable witness in a court of law because you lack "Conviction".
I do note that I have made this point many times already.
And that is admirable of you that you are in some ways willing to participate in an exchange of ideas.
So far your side's response seems to be to ignore
I haven't ignored a single thing you've stated to me. I tend to respond in quite a bit of detail also. I may even counter and offer some reliable references where appropriate.
what I say and just restate the same retarded shit you already said,
Is that your definition or understanding of the US system as "Retarded"?
as though something has changed in the last few minutes.
That sounds like you're stubborn and unwilling to accept information from others, NOT that the information provided to you is "Retarded".

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We've been witnessing your sides insane and hysterical throwing of bullshit charges and investigations at him for years.

We saw it. That's a fact, jack.

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[–] Corbell (3940) 2 minutes ago
We've been witnessing your sides insane and hysterical throwing of bullshit charges and investigations at him for years.
When you say "WE" have you become the imaginary spokesperson for some group of people or individuals that might identify as the Political Crime Enterprise that tried to stop the Legitimate Transfer of Power?

Nothing You've personally witnessed or observed justifies any acts that DJT is responsible for and will be held accountable for in a Court-Of-Law. DJT's defense against the charges presented by the citizens of the United States of America and the laws he has broken won't be defined by BLM, ANTIFA, whatabout Hunter Biden, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
We saw it. That's a fact, jack.-
What you saw won't mean anything because YOU'RE not being called to the witness stand AND DJT's guilt or innocence won't be determined by a presidential ballot.

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When I say "we" I am identifying as a member and speaker for EVERYONE who paid ANY attention to the antics of your side, over the last 6 years.


And thus we can see that your side is out of control and utterly violating the equal protection clause.

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[–] Corbell (3944) 4 minutes ago
When I say "we" I am identifying as a member and speaker for EVERYONE who paid ANY attention to the antics of your side, over the last 6 years.
The so-called Antics of one side do not make a justification for the actions of another side as you are trying to frame the Indictments and charges to one DJT.
And thus we can see that your side is out of control and utterly violating the equal protection clause.
Do you realize just WHAT you are Amendment dropping?
The Equal Protection Clause is part of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The clause, which took effect in 1868, provides "nor shall any State ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." It mandates that individuals in similar situations be treated equally by the law.

A primary motivation for this clause was to validate the equality provisions contained in the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which guaranteed that all citizens would have the guaranteed right to equal protection by law. As a whole, the Fourteenth Amendment marked a large shift in American constitutionalism, by applying substantially more constitutional restrictions against the states than had applied before the Civil War.

The meaning of the Equal Protection Clause has been the subject of much debate, and inspired the well-known phrase "Equal Justice Under Law". This clause was the basis for Brown v. Board of Education (1954), the Supreme Court decision that helped to dismantle racial segregation. The clause has also been the basis for Obergefell v. Hodges which legalized same-sex marriages, along with many other decisions rejecting discrimination against, and bigotry towards, people belonging to various groups.

While the Equal Protection Clause itself applies only to state and local governments, the Supreme Court held in Bolling v. Sharpe (1954) that the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment nonetheless requires equal protection under the laws of the federal government via reverse incorporation.
So go ahead Corbell. Make your case for/against the USA v DJT.

The internet is listening. 👍

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Trump is not being treated equally. He is beign targetted by massive amounts of departments and resources.


Because of your side's hysterical political terror and hate of him.

I've stated this repeatedly now, up adn down this thread. So far all you lefites have just pretended to not see it and just talked stupid shit in response.

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[–] Corbell (3945) 3 minutes ago
Trump is not being treated equally.
DJT is being treated equally and fairly because NO ONE is above the law. The Charges filed against DJT could have been filed against any USofA citizen and in fact several other people have also been indicted with the same or similar charges. Wouldn't that mean DJT is being as fairly treated as the others?
He is beign targeted by massive amounts of departments and resources.
The size of the departments and resources are not targeting DJT. The crimes that have been committed are the impetus that have caused the resources and departments used to investigate and litigate the case and or cases. Because DJT violated federal laws federal resources are being used. In Georgia state resources are being used because DJT violated state election laws.

You are correct here in that it isn't personal as in the E. jean Carroll case which was Civil.
Because of your side's hysterical political terror and hate of him.
There are indeed Hate crimes on the books, but DJT is not a subject nor a victim of a Hate Crime. DJT has said some racist and hateful remarks against certain groups but as far as I have seen none of those groups have targeted DJT with any hate beyond Free Speech. What acts of Political Terror beyond your subjective opinion should DJT's defense be using? Could you name a few?
I've stated this repeatedly now, up adn down this thread. So far all you lefites have just pretended to not see it and just talked stupid shit in response.
What is there to see? Back and forth between you and other posters? What does any of that have to do with the Speaking Indictment of DJT?

I still don't understand the Equal Protection Under the Law protection that DJT is being denied. You haven't explained just HOW this is happening and what his defense will be against the charges in the four indictments.

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I have repeatedly explained it. You are just being willfully blind.


I understand. YOu know that this is about arresting your political opposition.


BUt you don't have the balls to be honest about it.

HInt. YOu might as well be honest. NOne of us over here, are going to give a FUCK about your bullshit excuses, if you put him in jail.

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[–] Corbell (3948) 3 minutes ago
I have repeatedly explained it. You are just being willfully blind.
No, I haven't followed any of your posts. But I am willing to give you a fair shake and go back into your history, with your permission?
I understand. YOu know that this is about arresting your political opposition.
No, you don't understand that at all. DJT is not a Political Prisoner. He has been charged with crimes.
BUt you don't have the balls to be honest about it.
It doesn't take Cojones or bollocks to tell the truth. Which is how and why you get so much push-back against your "Opinions".
HInt. YOu might as well be honest. NOne of us over here, are going to give a FUCK about your bullshit excuses, if you put him in jail.
As a point of clarification please define by just where you mean "Here" is? I can't personally put DJT and his Co-Conspirators in jail. That is a function of the criminal justice system and a rule of law and no one goes to jail on "Excuses". 👍

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Play Stupid games, you win Stupid prizes.

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Your shit talk it noted and dismissed.

So, what's your plan for when this blows up in your face?

Most lefties I ask, implicitly admit that their plan is to pretend to be surprised and then whine like faggots.


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[–] Corbell (3957) 11 minutes ago
Your shit talk it noted and dismissed.
I have no idea what that means. Please resend your last text message.

So, what's your plan for when this blows up in your face?
That hypothetical is almost a non-sequitur.

I don't personally need a plan. I have the ultimate nullifier to DJT should he reach the Presidential election as THE candidate. I participated in Firing him once before and I can Deny him this time. Fair enough?
Most lefties I ask, implicitly admit that their plan is to pretend to be surprised and then whine like faggots.
DJT lost and got swept brutally in 2020 and can't win in 2024.

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Got it. Denial followed by whining like a faggot.

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[–] Corbell (3963) 8 minutes ago
Got it. Denial followed by whining like a faggot.
Seems to me that is EXACTLY what DJT did when he was soundly defeated by President Biden in 2020?

Denying, whining, scheming, plotting, lying, and Crime-ing his way right into a very consequential series of indictments.

Got that?

DJT should have just accepted his defeat. But there was/is the problem of the stolen documents.

Wait, the activities of conspiracy to defraud the USoA began BEFORE the Transfer of Power.

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Her is getting due process, not being denied it.

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LOL. He clearly is NOT.

Not uncommon for tyrants to pretend that filling out the proper forms makes a political trial, "legit", when it clearly is not.

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Explain how he is not getting due process in the American legal system. The answer can't be that it hurts your feelings.

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It is a violation of his rights under the equal protection clause. He is being unfairly and politically charged, and investigation with massive resources, instead of what is reasonable based on his actions and/or the needs of the community.


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He is being given all the right accorded to him, equally with other criminally indicted people. He is being given extra special treatment in being granted his liberty to travel while awaiting trial.

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Have you ever had the cia and fbi work together with foreign spies to lie to a federal judge so they could launch an illegal investigation of you?


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How does that relate to any of the 91 felonies Trump is indicted for?

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You claimed that he is being given due process. That means that his treatment by law enforcement, is equal to the treatment other people get.


I personally don't know anyone else that had the cia AND the fbi work together with foreign spies to lie to a federal judge so that they could launch an illegal investigation of them.

So,.... just checking how many people YOU have know that to happen to... YOu personally, several friends, family? How many?


Oh, and, let's not forget, that is just one of hte absurd abuses we have already seen.

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Robert Hansson. Aldrich Ames.
Alexander Yuk Ching Ma.
Alger Hiss.
Ethyl and Julius Rosenberg.

Now, which of Trump's indictments involved investigation by the CIA?

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You missed the biggest fish of them all former General David Petraeus! Worst Double-Entendre last name EVAR!!!!

The Petraeus scandal is a series of events that garnered strong media attention when an extramarital affair between retired four-star general and then-Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell became public information. Petraeus had chosen Broadwell to be his official biographer. She co-authored his biography, All In: The Education of General David Petraeus, when Petraeus was the International Security Assistance.

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So, I make a point about the vast resources devoted to taking down Trump, for political reasons and you pretend that this started just now?

THat's utterly retarded...wait, you don't come across as retarded...

Oh, i get it, YOU'RE TALKING SHIT TO GIVE COVER TO THE ABUSE OF CIVIL RIGHTS.


Becasue clearly you are fine with it and support the violation of his rights.

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WTF are you babbling about?
We have established that it is not uncommon for the CIA and the FBI to both work on cases that are international in scope. So you can get off of that.

Trump was never indicted for anything having to do with his campaign's demonstrated interactions with Russia in the 2016 campaign. So you can get off of that.

It is now 7 years later. Which of the current indictments against Trump involved the CIA? It's a simple question.

You seem to be hung up on the amount of resources used to investigate Trump and his criminal enterprises. More hung up on that then on what they found out. Perhaps you'd have preferred that fewer resources had been used and that he would be allowed to get away with alleged criminal activity. Is that what you are getting at?

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Wow. My POINT, that I have been making consistently is that the amount of resources dedicated to taking down Trump, is a violation of the equal protection clause and thus a violation of his civil rights.


Are you really NOW, just starting to get that? LOL!!!


Well, better late then never, my father used to say. lol.


The equal protect clause requires that everyone is given teh same protection by law enforcement.

Deciding to devote massive resources to taking out someone, NOT based on his alleged crimes but because he is the political leader of your opposition,

is thus a violation of his rights. AND a form of oppression.

Thus, ALL the resources devoted to this, not just the current crop are relevant to look at, to see if the amount devoted is out of line with the norm.


Which, it clearly is.


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Try being indicted for something... see if you get the same kid gloves chump has gotten.

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*kid*

*Trump*

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Thanks.

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*you're Welcome*

Although you only managed to edit the word *kid* (from your previous use of *kit*)

But not *Trump* (from your previous/continuous misuse of *Chump*)

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No. it was properly used in this case. The "kit" wasn't... so thanks... for that.

Who bankrupts a casino?
Who pays over a hundred grand for nookie?
Who has to cheat so blatantly at golf?
Who fights so hard against the marginalized or the disabled, but hides from formidable opponents?

Chumps do.

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“Chump” works great for me. That is actually being exceedingly kind!!

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given that Trump has been hit with these (ever since he ran for initial presidency) and every other week his opposition come up with new indictments




https://media.tenor.com/Qqhtb7KbrGcAAAAC/princess-bride-you-keep-using-that-word.gif

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I'm aware of the actual legalese 'terminology' behind such...but given that Trump has been hit with these (ever since he ran for initial presidency)
Apparently YOU don't understand or are being willfully obtuse in trying to make a point. DJT has been the Plaintiff or Defendant of numerous "Lawsuits". I believe the total is +3500? DJT is quite a litigious individual. That means Lawsuits and NOT Indictments! 😎
and every other week his opposition come up with new indictments (each one, allegedly worse than the previous)
Again, you have your own false narrative or "Strawman" that is neither defensible nor requires anyone to refute. But here goes...

Every other week there have been ZERO incidents of Impeachments, Indictments, Criminal Complaints, Civil Complaints or Lawsuits leveled at or by DJT, his corporation, or his family. Since he was fired by the Citizens of the USofA for his piss-poor job performance as President, DJT lost his Executive shield and his manipulation of the power of the government to defend himself from accountability. Thus, the check came due for his actions after he was fired.

DJT has been indicted in exactly four jurisdictions within four months. Bravo, DJT is a serial criminal now.
Have the left completely 'pimped out' the word/act of indictment (as they've done with the terms 'racist, 'bigot, homophobe, etc) to stretching point...to make them now meaningless?
Well, we FINALLY get to your point but the setup was a tad awkward.

The so-called "Left" hasn't made words like, "Racist" or "Bigot" or "Homophobe" or "NAZI" or "Klansmen", meaningless by some alleged "overuse". Racism, Bigotry, Homophobia, Sexism, Nepotism, Cronyism, Misogyny, Nazism, to varying degrees, all still exist and may exist forever given man's propensity to be not quite tolerant of each other.

Are things better? Why yes.

Is DJT a criminal? Why yes, he is. 👍



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Wow...you're unhinged.

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You don't know or don't understand what "unhinged" means. Do you?

Try again.

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Not until two posts ago, no.

Thanks

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[–] seagal72 (1594) an hour ago
Not until two posts ago, no.

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Try again, pick 1.

1. Selective Amnesia.
2. Late Leaner
3. Willfully Ignorant
4. Oblivious

You know full well you still haven't learned what the word Un-Hinged is or how to use it effectively as a pejorative.

DJT may be in for a 5th Indictment. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/will-arizona-be-the-next-state-to-indict-former-president-donald-trump

Do you still believe that Indictments are meaningless?

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*learnt* not "learned"

Yes, the indictments are meaningless

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Dear Stephen Sea Gal 1972,

[–] seagal72 (1595) 2 hours ago
*learnt* not "learned"
Mark Twain quote: "It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

I have ZERO idea why you felt the need to pretend to be a Grammar-Nazi! 🤣 Fun Fact:
The difference between *learned* and *learnt* is that learned is the preferred spelling in American English, while learnt is more common in British English. Both are acceptable forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn.
If you were a Learned individual you would have learned that difference in life experience.

So Stephen Sea Gal 1972, what else do we know about you? Might be a female, can't vote for DJT, haven't donated to DJT, (haven't been Grifted yet?), you own ZERO Trump merchandise or paraphernalia, can't serve on a jury to acquit DJT, haven't received a note or phone call from DJT, never been to a Trump rally, and neither DJT, Eric, or DJTJR have read a single post of yours. 😞

So, what do you get out of your full-throated but drive-by support for a failed reality-show businessman? What is in it for you? Why do you care how Americans select their Presidents?
Yes, the indictments are meaningless
Ask DJT and his 18 Co-Indictees if their indictments are, Meaningless to their ongoing attempts to remain Un-In-Carcerated. 😂

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Wow, you really like to go on a copy-and-paste frenzy (when proven wrong) don't you?

Looking forward to more quotes and other people's opinions (as opposed to your own) in your inevitable reply.


As, I said...unhinged

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[–] seagal72 (1596) 11 minutes ago
Wow, you really like to go on a copy-and-paste frenzy (when proven wrong) don't you?
So you do know the difference between *learnt* and *learned* and that one is British English and the other is American English AND you are making a grammar or usage correction towards moi because you THINK I am a Brit and used *learned* incorrectly while conversing with another Brit or non-American?

So, let's tally my scorecard:

1. You're probably NOT female. ☑️ I said MIGHT. But I'll give you the point also though you haven't disputed it.
2. You may be a US Citizen. May be. The use of *learnt* is a tell though. Transplant, maybe naturalized? 🤔
3. You're probably not a voter. 🤔
4. You've never donated to DJT. ☑️ If you did, you're afraid to admit that. ☑️
5. Haven't been Grifted yet? The DJT Legal Défense Fund lines are still open.
6. You own ZERO DJT items. ☑️
7. You've never served on a jury or had jury duty in the USA in your entire life. ☑️ Every American should serve Jury Duty.
8. DJT, Eric, Melania, DJTJR, Rudy Ghouliana have NEVER called you or sent a note personally. ☑️
9. DJT, Eric, DJTJR have never read a single post of yours. ☑️ Not. A. Single. One.
10. You lack Conviction in your support for DJT. ☑️
Looking forward to more quotes and other people's opinions (as opposed to your own) in your inevitable reply.
Sorry to disappoint you this time. I like quotes and truly write my own posts.
"As, I said...unhinged"
See, I just quoted you.

And you still don't know HOW to use "Unhinged" as a critique, or an observation, or a description, or an insult.

But "Bless Your Heart", you do continue to try.

P.S.,

DJT is racking up so many Indictments that he might soon issue a Coffee Table book compendium, for purchase by his loyal followers. 😂 Please, PLEASE don't fall for that Grift!! They are free and you are a *Learned* fellow. 👍

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I agree, that one is extremely unhinged.

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I wonder what kind of editing software this shill is using when forming his replies
all of the things he does can't be done in plain web browser window

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Someone properly LEARNED might be able to do it WITHOUT the software...

LMAO

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We can all use CAPS-
And, YES, we can all use word and other external editing software.
It’s obviously he is using one of those - but then the question becomes - WHY?

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To give opportunity for SUBTERFUGE and subsequent mockery of those who entertain it...

Truth often hurts.

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OK THEN
never mind
🤣
☑️
and he's using emojis from an external source, too - very learned indeed....

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Perhaps you are susceptible to “subterfuge and mockery”, but to everyone else, he is just a clown and a shill.

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I laugh, but then I get sad... cos there's a bunch of people who think this way....

Sad.

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All Trump haters have serious TDS and that's because mental illness is much more prevalent on the left. Which the leaders feed into with these kangaroo hearings and media controversies that dont even hold up more than one cycle and are completely forgotten to everyone without TDS.

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indictment is another way of saying 'sold out judges'
lawsuits are one thing, but indictments in such numbers have a very different meaning - I agree

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If a person is routinely indicted for crimes, but never tried, then it would be meaningless. But Trump has yet to see any charges dropped so far. So we have yet to see how meaningful the indictments are.

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It's feels like the Supreme Court will have to be involved at some point.

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On what grounds? Is there part of the constitution that says presidents and former presidents are above the law?

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lol - via the process of appeals, if nothing else
do perceive the supreme court as not being a part of the justice system?

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The “indictments” are being used to prevent Trump from campaigning during the primaries.

Grand jury “conspiracy” indictments are easy to get convictions and easy to get overturned on appeal. They’re a joke. It’s what the government uses when they have nothing.

By simply discussing the 2020 election we all commit “conspiracy”.

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agreed

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"The “indictments” are being used to prevent Trump from campaigning during the primaries."

He is campaigning. Since he is far ahead in Republican polling he must be campaigning effectively

"Grand jury “conspiracy” indictments are easy to get convictions and easy to get overturned on appeal. They’re a joke. It’s what the government uses when they have nothing."

Rudy Giuliani would disagree.

"By simply discussing the 2020 election we all commit “conspiracy”.

When discussions put into motion actions and threats designed to illegally overturn an election that is a crime.

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