I DON'T CARE...I LIKE THE DUDE.
AND I DO NOT GET OTHER PEOPLE'S HANG UPS.
shareSame here.
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Yep, good luck to him.
share"I DO NOT GET OTHER PEOPLE'S HANG UPS."
Sounds like a you-problem.
DEFLECT MUCH?π
sharePerhaps come back when you actually understand what deflection means... *facepalm*
shareSO YOU IMPLYING ME NOT HAVING HANG UPS IS ACTUALLY MY HANG UP ISN'T YOU DEFLECTING FROM THE FACT THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS IN FACT YOUR HANG UP?π€
shareWas this supposed to be English?
Once you can form sentences that won't insult whoever reads them I will consider to answer your question.
Pretty hoity-toity for someone who apparently thinks that βI will consider to answer your questionβ makes any grammatical sense.
Consider to that.
Difference is, you're a native speaker. I am not.
shareThen itβs an extremely weird flex for you to be blasting others for their command of the English language, wouldnβt you agree?
shareIn the end, it isn't even about English, or anything. It's all about pulling Pops' leg.
He asks for it, he gets it.
Trust me, if I know Kowalski, his leg is the last thing heβs asking you to pull π
shareWell thanks for the nightmare fuel...
shareAlways a pleasure, dreamboat π
shareMEATY,JUICY,ROTTEN,MONSTROUS,SLIMY AND MYSTERIOUS ARE ALL WORDS THAT APPLY TO WHAT YOU WILL BE PULLING... DID YOU BRING PLASTIC WRAP OR ARE WE JUST ROLLING THE DICE HERE?
shareLuckily my day only just started so the next possible nightmare is still many hours away... perhaps I will forget all this until then.
Step on a lego brick, Kowalski.
Good lord Kowalski! Lmao π
shareBIG SMILE ON MY FACE.π
shareNot a native either so can you point out what is, grammatically speaking, wrong with that expression?
shareI will consider answering your question later.
sharereally? That's NOT an answer ...
shareLook again and I think youβll find itβs EXACTLY the answer. Take your time.
shareMy man, can you read or you don't understand?
I asked from a grammatical perspective. So please give me the grammar rules that are broken and explain why are they broken.
Just told you that I'm not a native either so you can understand that probably I never took an English grammar class like ... ever ...
You ask me to figure out things in an area that I openly admit my ignorance and obviously I cannot figure it out on my own.
Youβre adorable π
Ok, Iβll Sesame Street it down for you. Our man Kendricks said βI will consider to answer your questionβ where he should have said βI will consider answering your questionβ, hence my response to you above.
And todayβs show is brought to you by the letters FML π€¦ββοΈ
Damn, are you blind or you just can't read?
THE RULES. WHAT ARE THE GRAMMAR RULES in this case?
What makes your correction correct and his expression wrong. Why?
you are only stating "this is correct, this is wrong" but what I'm asking is "why?".
Why he should have said "I will consider answering your question"? And please don't just say "because is the correct form" without explaining why it is the correct form ...
Hello Asom π
I am not an expert in proper grammar but I think the answer you want is that the use of the word "to" is grammatically incorrect because "to" is a preposition expressing motion.
For example: "We are going to the store" or "Her feelings changed from sadness to anger".
I know this is an older post but I hope this helps!
Hey stinky, love your nickname, lol.
I think you are wrong because it's the infinitive form of the verb. "to do", "to answer".
So my question would be "why is it wrong/incorrect to use the infinitive form of the verb?"
Haha, thank you! Our youngest son picked the name for us when he was 8 π
Well I did say I was not an expert, lol. I have looked and looked and not really found anything helpful that would explain. What's interesting though is I did find this website that checks grammar and spelling when you type a word or phrase.
https://www.reverso.net/spell-checker/english-spelling-grammar/
When I pasted the phrase "I will consider to answer your question" it came up with no spelling errors and no grammatical mistakes, lol.
So I suppose it's just comes down to being used to how we say things. I would imagine it's the same for all languages π
No they are implying that as you think Kendricks is deflecting when they that "You do not get other people's hang ups" then you think that Kendricks also "Does not get other peoples hang ups"
Deflecting would be an alcoholic saying someone else is an alcoholic instead of admitting it themselves. They are literally "deflecting" the focus of the conversation to another person in order to avoid talking about the problem at hand.
Sorry but it's a woman.
shareHE WAS A WOMAN...NOT ANYMORE THOUGH.
shareLOL!!!
shareReally? Explain her uterus, ovaries, etc.
share^^^ This is like a "FACT" though, and people don't believe facts anymore. Choice over fact or some moronic shit
shareThanks for clearing that up. I did not know one must identify themselves according to their internal organs. What about your heart, liver and kidneys? How do they determine whether you call yourself Jack or Diane?
shareHere's a news flash: Heart, liver and kidneys are not SEXUAL organs. You know, the organs that determine your SEX.
shareAnd a brilliant newsflash at that, David Muir. So sue me if I donβt give a ratβs how people wish to identify, regardless if they have tubes or testicles. If they are a good person then they can call themselves whatever they want as far as Iβm concerned. It just doesnβt matter to me, Iβve got enough of my own shit to deal with without being concerned over the gender identity of some random actor. I find the faux outrage of the school marms here espousing the irrefutable certainty of gender identity equal parts amusing and boring. But please, give yourself an ulcer over it. As I keep saying, itβs sure to change a trans personβs mind at the end of the day.
sharethink what you want about anything or anyone, just don't tell us how or what to think about them, and none of us will care. we're not about to call a goat a snake, or a tree a cloud, because someone else's whim to be self destructive. (not you, body mutilators)
that said, Mental Illness is what it is
I don't care what they call themselves either but I'm not going to call them something they're not. You can say you're a water buffalo if you want but I won't say you are. I don't care one iota about changing a trans person's mind but I'm not cool with this idiocy being perpetuated and spread as if it's anything more than some demented fantasy and/or cry for attention.
sharehahahaha Chilone! :D
nutbag: "Where is that written, though?"
person with functioning brain: "In the name SEX organs"
So if I have a hysterectomy I'm no longer a woman?
shareOf course you are. You were born with a uterus and ovaries. That makes you a woman. Period. Having to have some of your sex organs removed for tragic medical reasons doesn't change what you are. And likewise, electing to have some of your sex organs removed/mutilated for delusional reasons doesn't either. That's why a woman who has undergone a hysterectomy is still a woman, and it's also why Elliot Page is still a woman.
share^^^Bingo^^
I knew someone was going to come up with this ridiculousness.
Of course you did. You were the one that said that Elliot was a female Explain her uterus, ovaries, etc. so why wouldn't you know that someone would rebut this ridiculousness? How many times does it have to be said that gender is not the same as biological sex?
shareSaid by you and other nutjobs (not saying you're a nutjob, necessarily).
shareMedically reviewed article
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
Stanford medical
https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-sex-and-gender-which-are-not-the-same-thing-influence-our-health.html
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/sex-gender-and-why-differences-matter/2008-07
I may not understand it all, and I would venture that these people are smarter than I am in this area. So, who am I to argue? Just because it might make one uncomfortable or out of the area of understanding, it doesn't mean that it's wrong.
HE WAS A WOMAN...NOT ANYMORE THOUGH.
It can claim to be a water buffalo if it wants, but its genetics say it's no more a male than it is a bovid.
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I do too.
sharewhat to you like about him
shareLIVING HIS LIFE AS HE SEES FIT...GOOD FLICKS...ISN'T ON THE INTERNET VOMITING OUT FILTH...A LOT OF THINGS.
shareThe good flicks were the old her. What the hell are you talking about?
shareMY BEST JUMP SHOTS WERE THE OLE ME...WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?π€
shareKowalski is straight up retarded. I find this guy on almost every board and you can see from other commenters here that they're also familiar with him. It's pretty pathetic that someone comments this much just to achieve notoriety as one of the most annoying people on a site rather than contributing actual ideas to threads.
share"OTHER COMMENTERS"...YOU MEAN ALL THE JACKASS BORDERLINE TROLLING ASSHOLES WHO SPEND THEIR POSTS DEGRADING WOMEN,INSULTING GAYS AND INSISTING THAT THEIR THOUGHTS ON OTHER PEOPLE ARE SCIENCE?...YEAH ALL YOU FUCKERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH ME...KEEP ENJOYING ME...I KNOW I WILL.π
shareI donβt know enough about him to say I like him, but his transition doesnβt stir up the disgust and rage that it seems to in so many disgruntled individuals here. I really couldnβt give a fuck. Good luck to him, live and let live π€·ββοΈ
shareShe is still a woman. It is unfortunate that she cut off her breasts. She mutilated herself due to mental illness.
Supporting delusions is not normally considered a good idea.
Youβll get over it.
shareI will, she won't. She is doing permanent damage to her body and likely worsening her mental state. Self mutilation does not seem like something to encourage mental health.
Thank you for that astoundingly original take on the debate, professor. Iβve only read the exact same sentiment 2000 times here already, but far out, 2001 is definitely the trick. Congratulations! I have my doubts about whether your two-dollar psychological insights will prompt Page, or any other trans person for that matter, to reconsider their transition. Still, youβre doing your bit, and thatβs all we can ask.
Just keep hoping that trans people will magically disappear. Itβs got to be better than just accepting difference in others and moving on. Better for your own mental health, undoubtedly!
I had an online "Friend" on a writing forum. "she" had similar issues. "She'"s dead now. Suicide. "she" got plenty of validation from the libs on the site. But it didn't stop "her" from killing herself.
Encouraging a delusion, does not make it LESS harmful.
I hate to say it cowbell, but if your βfriendβ had someone with your attitude for support and reassurance then her untimely demise is hardly the shock of the century.
Iβve known trans people who were happy and well adjusted and Iβve also known non-trans people who have committed suicide, but I hardly think my anecdotal experience makes me an expert on anything.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why other peopleβs life choices bug you so much, or why youβre trying so damn hard to convince me that I should share your shitty attitude towards people who cause me no harm and have no impact on my own life.
I think the constant efforts to force normal people to celebrate other people's sometimes very bizarre or obviously harmful choices, make it clear why I care enough to comment.
shareOh God youβre right! Those poor normal people have it so rough, donβt they? Someone should create a hashtag for them, the poor forced bastardsβ¦
shareAgreed. I recall when I was in college, one party where this gay guy got drunk and was sooooo happy to be accepted and welcome. It made us very uncomfortable, but we were happy to invite him there, because the odd balls like him just wanted to be different and not bother other people.
Time have changed. Now those oddballs are demanding celebration and agreement, and if you don't do it, they will destroy you. Hell, if they ever get those hate speech laws passed, not conforming will get you arrested.
This is incorrect.
Encouraging delusions is not inherently harmful. In fact, you are to treat delusions with respect unless the delusions are inherently dysfunctional or destructive.
You can't presume to know whether or not the mental stage has improved or worsened and if the physical mutilation has led to a mental improvement, then it's a pass.
Also
I had an online "Friend" on a writing forum. "she" had similar issues. "She'"s dead now. Suicide. "she" got plenty of validation from the libs on the site. But it didn't stop "her" from killing herself.
This is a terrible argument. It's very possible the surgery worsened her mental state. But maybe it didn't. Could just be there was a lot of things going wrong that you didn't know about. It wasn't even someone you really knew, so you have no idea the extent to which they were suffering. Hell, IRL ppl don't even realize until it's too late how suicidal some people are. share
She is doing permanent damage to her body
LIKE TATTOOS?
PIERCINGS?
GAUGING?
SCARRIFICATION?
PLASTIC SURGERY?
I AM SORRY YOU CAN'T PRETEND YOU HAVE A SHOT AT FUCKING HER ANYMORE...BUT HE SEEMS HAPPY WITH HIS CHOICES.
LOL!!! Sure. Pretend getting your tits cut off, is the same as getting your ears pieced.
That you play such a game, shows that you know you are talking bs.
Who cares even if she did "mutilate" herself? Your arguments are purely semantical and cheaply exaggerative, which are common characteristics among peddlers of hate speech
Does she cut herself on a regular basis? Not to your knowledge. Has she removed any parts of her body unrelated to gender identity? Not to your knowledge
You don't know her, so you don't know if she is much happier post-surgery. If she is, then she is completely justified in "mutilating" herself. It's not a recurring thing, so it is not truly self-harming behavior, just like a cis man with gynecomastia getting a similar procedure done in order to boost his self esteem is not really self-harming
You are using the word "mutilation" because it is dramatic and visceral. It's a cheap tactic that shows you don't argue in good faith. You will defend yourself as being the voice of common sense and so you are just calling a spade a spade. Because you are just a "type". You have no true intellectual heft behind any of your comments, and you know this on some level, so you rationalize this behavior as "obvious truths don't need to be intellectualized" or some dumb shit like that
I know your type, and I know you will never concede on any point in any argument, so your response is irrelevant to me, but for others on here who may not be true bigots, I take joy in "mutilating" your weakass arguments
No, she's cutting off body parts. That deserves some strong language. That is some serious shit.
Your claim that my language is "cheaply exaggerated" is dishonest.
I don't hate her. I like her. I've liked her in several roles. I wish her well. I fear that this is going to be bad for her.
Him
You don't like him or wish him well if you can't call him by the gender he chooses.
Sure I can. Just because I disagree with someone politically, doesn't mean I can't still like them and wish them well.
It is sad that you don't already know that.
This has nothing to do with politics. I can disagree with people on many things and still like them as well. Disagreeing about politics is completely different than disagreeing with someone about their identity. You don't respect that Elliot identifies as male and continue to refer to him as her. In my opinion that isn't liking someone. That is hurting someone. It's sad that you don't know that you don't show people that you like them by hurting them.
shareThe push to demand acceptance of trans people, as the gender of their choice, is a political issue. That you assert your political position strongly and claim it is not a political issue, is a powerful propaganda tactic, but that is all it is.
It is still a political issue.
Your inability to deal with the fact that other people can disagree with you, is a just a sign of how closed minded you are.
How is it political? How is just asking someone to accept you for who you are as a human being political??
I admit that I did throw your insult right back at you and I shouldn't have, but why is that you said that you could disagree with people, and then while disagreeing with me you insult me? Then you insult me again in your reply. How is that dealing with people disagreeing with you?
All he is asking that you do is use he/him and call him Elliot. You chose your name on here, should I just call you whatever I want just because accepting that you wish to be called Corbell is political?
How is it NOT political? YOu are asking society to change and conform to changes you want. Policies have already been changed. Laws are being applied differently already. Men that would have been arrested just a year or two ago, are now walking around in women's lockers, for one limited example.
That's political. Pretending it is just, being "nice" or some such thing, is a political tactic. And... not a very honest one.
I agree that it is political. You use terms like "normal people" to describe ever cis gender or heterosexual person and "odd balls" to describe everyone else. Normal vs. Odd. I don't expect a person like you to grasp this truth, but as subtle as it may seem, this is the language of de-humanization. This is the kind of thing that leads to slurs which leads to open hate speech and, eventually, God forbid it sometimes leads to actual hate crimes
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"Agreed. I recall when I was in college, one party where this gay guy got drunk and was sooooo happy to be accepted and welcome. It made us very uncomfortable, but we were happy to invite him there, because the odd balls like him just wanted to be different and not bother other people."
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You seem to be becoming more reasonable, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are redeemable, but I need you to know how abhorrent your anecdote is
By your own account, some poor gay guy was just happy to be in a place that didn't seem to hate what he was, and the alcohol maybe made it easier for him to express that happiness
A truly decent person would be happy to see such an insecure person feeling comfortable with themselves. Instead you and your buddies were apparently uncomfortable, but "generously" tolerated their presence because they kept a low profile
1. Thank you for admitting it is political.
2. The uncomfortableness was not because of his being gay or NOT keeping a low profile, but because of the overt emotional outburst.
3. "Person like you"? Sounds kind of "De-humanizing".
3. A bigot, yes. I apologize for using the phrase "person like you" when I really meant a bigot. I'll just call you a bigot from now on
shareLOL. You really not aware of what you are doing?
shareHere you are, reverting showing your true colors and unconsciously reverting back to your type. Tsk tsk. I gave you too much credit by giving you the benefit of the doubt
Ok, go off on your long rants about the wrongs of being queer again if you'd like. It'd be an edifying experience for everyone else to see us go back and forth in length, I think
Oh, and please do provide a link to that case you mentioned regarding that girl who was beat up by a trans girl. It would greatly back up your argument if you provided real sources. I can do the same, for my side, if you'd like. I'm sure I could dig up a couple dozen examples
"Time have changed. Now those oddballs are demanding celebration and agreement, and if you don't do it, they will destroy you. Hell, if they ever get those hate speech laws passed, not conforming will get you arrested"
Have you seen the movie Boys Don't Cry? Based on a true story? I use a movie example of a trans person being murdered because this is a movie board and I cannot expect some of the assholes here to read up on the many cases of hate crimes against trans people. But in the larger, more tolerant world it would seem almost condescending to have to use a movie example when there are SO many more recent cases
When you say "they will destroy you", I hope you are using the word destroy as hyperbole or mean "destroy your reputation" or something like that
Because I don't know of any real life cases where a person has been murdered specifically for being transphobic. But there are MANY cases of trans people actually being "destroyed" for being trans
I mostly was thinking of reputation, but I do recall the high school girl physically attacked buy the much larger and stronger male, kicked in the head and put into the hospital, because she supposed said non supportive shit online about the other "girl".
Regardless, i know bullying behavior when I see it. When I was young, yes, homosexuals or other sexual minorities might have been the target for such behavior. I did not participate then.
Today, the basis of the packs, the targets are very different. I still will not be part of it.
I'm curious about the case that you mention. If you could provide a link, I'd love to read the case details. I am not at all averse to reading up on cases that may conflict my own person POV. I think that it is an important part of personal growth
If you have any academic inclinations for any of the STEM fields or philosophy or for history, then I highly recommend that you read Alan Turing's paper on the Imitation Game
It's a good read. He's a writer with a characteristically-British dry wit and a visionary thinker who laid down the conceptual foundation for both modern computers and for future AI computers
He was both a math genius and a war hero. He also committed suicide, as I'm sure you know. Not because his sexuality made him mentally ill, but because the reaction of his own society to his sexuality drove him to choose death over life
So yes, the issue is political. Because people in power at the time, people who thought like you think now, deemed it necessary to punish this sexual pervert with anti-libido meds, just as you would a pedophile. And you can't blame them, they were just following the laws of the time
So yeah, I agree that how we treat LGBTQ people IS a VERY political issue. Because our initial reaction when we discover people very different from us is almost always universally that of puzzlement, and often disgust. And if the disgust is great enough then it inevitably leads to reaction. And if that reaction is violence then it becomes a political issue, because violence is pretty much the reason why politics exist
Would you say that I am different from you?
shareI don't know enough about you other than the singular fact that you seem to feel disgust for gay/trans people. So we are certainly different in that regard. I couldn't say in what other ways we are different, though
Do you have an affinity for philosophy? Because if you do, then we have at least one similarity that counterbalances our one known difference
If you ARE fond of philosophy, then perhaps you might be familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance. If you aren't, I do recommend that you look into it. It's quite a fascinating concept
you seem very upset with me. Angry even. Would you describe your feeling, being exposed to such different thoughts and perspectives, as "disgust"?
shareYour attempt to lead me in a certain direction with your questions is pretty amusing. So amusing that I'll just play along for the fuck of it
YES we are different and YES I feel disgust for you!!! It's absolutely enraging and stirs hatred within me
There. Now you will claim that my feelings of negativity towards you are equivalent to your feelings of negativity to those who you oppose. We are all the same, and your feelings and beliefs are as equally valid as my own. And us "leftists" are just as intolerant as we claim that you "regular" people are. We are ultimately all the same
If you're going to play the game at this level then I might as well just have a conversation with myself. It's like playing solo chess, as condescending as that may sound to you
Not really. My motivation in speaking to Page's actions are concern for her well being. I like her. I want to see her doing well and being happy.
As to philosophy, I'm more into how or why people think or how they make decisions. The Righteous Mind, Outliers, that type of thing.
Do you think that taking antipsychotic medications such as Risperdal/Quetiapine, which are commonly used to treat delusional mind-states, would be more beneficial to her than the gender-confirming actions which she(or HE, if we're being ridiculous) desires?
Or maybe antidepressants such as Effexor, Prozac, Zoloft or...(there are dozens) would help pacify her internal feelings of dissatisfaction and self-loathing which stem from feeling misaligned with your gender identity?
Actually, Let's prescribe a specific medication/psychiatric cocktail that may me best for this specific headcase. In the name of her (or HIS ;p) wellbeing
With antipsychs, we have the choice between old-fashioned "typical" antipsychotics or newer, "atypical" antipsychotics. She IS, by all accounts, suffering from such a severe delusion that she is self-mutilating, and so it would be wise to prescribe a strong dose of either or. I'd advise an atypical, as they seemingly are less likely to result in permanent side-effects such as diabetes or "tardive dyskinesia" (think Parkinson's for your face). With antidepressants, we can choose from MAOIs, SSRIs, or SNRIs. They all tend to increase the chance of suicidal thoughts and none are truly proven more effective than a placebo
To round it off, in case it is feeling any trepidation about its new life as a psychiatric lab rat, let us prescribe an anxiolytic such as Alprazolam (xannies) Clonazepam, Diazepam, etc. etc. this WILL help to shut her the fuck up
And, finally, if none of those things work, we can always resort to Electroshock Therapy. Since, unfortunately, lobotomies aren't really legal anymore, we must resort to this half-measure to deal with those who are resistant to our cutting edge drugs. I think a good dose of electricity administered to her brain would quickly eliminate those pesky feelings of alienation and self-hatred which this crazy bitch SHOCKINGLY believes could be helped by mutilating her own tits and changing her name