Who would not do like Harvey?

People open to debating difficult topics, that’s who. Congratulations on contributing absolutely nothing with your cowardly, smartass remark.

Of course it's totally different, his predation constitues his crime.
But most of his misbehavior comes from mutual consense, or at least it was depicted as such. At the time he did it, which is anytime in human history before metoo, this was considered normal, obvious, almost strange if it didn't happen.

Let's be frank: he never FORCED himself on anybody. He didn't RAPE anybody.
He pressured his victims in situations that they would later regret, but they all walked into his room willingly. Once they were there, he tried to seal the deal with one clear strategy: do you want the part? Gotta please my part.
All his victims could have walked out at that point.

And if you take this point of view, is it that difficult to see the whole deal as a common request from a powerful man, who takes advantage of his position (which he worked his ass off to achieve) using his power to help this actress, asking for some sex in return?

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I think it's always easy to judge situations we've never been in. It's obvious he pushed it too far.
But how would you or the next guy, pretending you are movie moguls, enjoy the company of such hot, easy etc, if not by moving the meeting to the casting couch?
Would you just wait for them to get naked begging for the part?

Well, no offence but it's also not very manly either.
Women want to be chased and want a man with balls that takes control.
They don't want to be in control, other than giving a green light to YOUR moves.

That's where this pig became a criminal, by pushing it too far pretending not to see the red light.

What I'm arguing is, if there was no red lights, wouldn't his routine be what most guys do?

Women like men who are clear about what they want. Being honest and forthright doesn’t make you Harvey Weinstein. You’re likely missing out on a lot of consensual sex with an attitude like the one you just described.

From what I've read about the HW cases....there were no situations in which the woman could not have left if she chose......or scream....call for help.....report him immediately to the front desk and call the cops, etc.

C'mon.....this is a quid pro quo situation the women entered into with open eyes, and wound up resenting it (or wanting to cash-in on it 30 years later when the roles dried up).

Women leverage their bodies and sex appeal to their advantage every single day. But then, when convenient to their cause, complain about being treated like a sex object. I'm not saying HW didn't take things too far. He was at a minimum a manipulative cad. And sure....some of those social "norms" needed to change. But sexual dynamics can be very complicated.

Someone needs to "make a move" if sexual interplay is going to happen, right? And....making the first move entails (hopefully) reading the signals and receptiveness of the other person. We all like to think we're good at this...but obviously, many people are not.

In HW's world and in his mind...he may very well not even felt what he was doing was wrong. His mindset may have been.....he's doing an IMMENSE favor for each of these women, helping to launch million-dollar careers for them. And...he probably felt they were ready, willing and able to "date" him and have sex with him for those opportunities.....sex which he perceived to be consensual. Heck, he may even have felt they liked him. There are people out there with delusions, aren't there? I'm sure plenty of women PRETENDED to like him....to gain favor (and opportunities) with him. In some cases...THEY were using HIM.

He was manipulative, crude....took advantage of his power...and took things too far. But there were plenty of women who knew exactly what the game was...and they were more than willing to go out with (and be intimate with) HW if it meant getting million-dollar acting opportunities. And because plenty of women were willing to play the game with no issues or complaint....it began to feel normal, consensual...and not bad or harmful in his eyes.

I'm not saying any of this is right or wrong. I'm simply saying....that's kinda what happened, if we're being really honest here. And heck....if I were a young actor in Hollywood...and Bea Arthur was willing to give me a million-dollar role if I went on a "date" with her (and all that this implies)....I may very well go on that date!!

If a woman (knowing full well HW's reputation) gets invited up to his hotel room....and she goes....wearing an intentially revealing dress.....and he answers the door in a robe.....and she chooses to go in, there's a chance she kinda knows what's going on. When Harvey gets more and more inappropriate...she has a choice....to leave or stay. I don't for one minute believe he ever physically brutalized these women into submitting. I'm sorry, I just don't. He coerced them. He was inappropriate, and he was even a harasser. But I do not believe he is a rapist.

it is a shame more people cant see the common sense, and obvious reality in your response. the world would be a better place. yup, the facts paint a different picture than the metoo media

" These are not the actions of a rape victim. "

And some female victims of domestic violence will go back to their dirtbag husband with faces beaten black and blue and tell the police some bullshit.

That doesent mean a crime hasnt been commited.