Tipping: Is it out of control? - General Discussion Discussion

[–] R_Kane (15828) a year ago

If your description is accurate, that person can be fired. One tips for service, not for a pro forma sales ring up.

Tipping is an art and must not be abused by either party in the transaction.

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[–] mikethemartian (6705) a year ago

I think for many food places it is automatically prompted on the screen when paying with credit cards. I always pay with cash and I never get asked.

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[–] michaelDclarke (1819) a year ago

It's bollocks I say. Bollocks.

--Michael D. Clarke

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

I do think that tipping in the US is a massive issue. People should be paid for the work that they do, and not relying on the customer to supplement their wage. Almost every other country in the world can pay servers a decent wage, why can't the US? It's just creating more and more of a system where businesses can pay their employees less and rely on the costumer to pay the wages while they get a bigger profit. Like tipping at a retail store. I know the excuse is that prices will go up, well prices are going up and up whether it's a tipping industry or not.

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

no frills workers just signed a contract putting their wage to over $22.00 an hour

https://globalnews.ca/news/10115773/no-frills-ratify-deal/

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

That's just Ontario though. Did you tip at No Frills?

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

i was just showing the higher wages. no one in the usa is making $22.00 an hour working retail.

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

I don't know many people in Canada period making $222.00 an hour. 🤣

I do know what you meant, which is why I specifically said the US.

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[–] WandererFromYs (2308) a year ago

Plenty of people make 22.00 and hour working retail, just not the minimum wage cashiers.

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[–] Padeen (6459) a year ago

What's a decent wage for servers in other countries? Sure, we could do away with tipping culture, but then servers will ultimately be paid less and the customers meal will cost more. It's a lose-lose situation. Personally, I'm fine with tipping 20% if it's full service. For take out, coffee, etc, it's not expected, just optional and that aspect is out of control. But when it comes to a full service restaurant with waitstaff, I've never met a server who wants to get rid of tips and the customer certainly doesn't want higher prices.

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

Minimum wage where I am is $15/hour. That's what servers start with. Cooks will start at more than that. We still tip here, usually between 15 - 20 %. Our meals may cost a little more, but I don't think that it's that much more. At least we don't have to worry about servers not getting a pay cheque if a table doesn't tip.

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[–] Padeen (6459) a year ago

$15/hr with tips is pretty good, although I've never heard of a full service restaurant that pays that and still has tipping. Do the majority of people tip 15-20%?

I've seen some shifts in the industry with higher wages, but these places make it clear it's a no tipping establishment and a service charge is tacked onto the bill.

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

Here a decent steakhouse will start their servers at over $15.00 an hour and I'd say the majority of people here tip between 15 - 20%.

We've had a couple of places here try to switch to a non tipping system. I think they started their servers at about $20/hour, but did switch back to tips.

15/hour is still minimum wage here, but we don't have a lower wage for tipped industries.

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[–] WandererFromYs (2308) a year ago

The issue with jobs that rely on tips is that they typically are allowed pay them below minimum wage. Minimum wage were I live is also 15 dollars, but looking up server jobs in my area, they mostly range from 5-8 dollars per hour.

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

I think that is criminal. I don't know how one would go about fixing that.

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[–] WandererFromYs (2308) a year ago

I don't believe it should be our job as a customer to pay their salary. A tip should be an extra for good service. But since they are getting paid slave wages without it, most people feel obligated to leave a tip, even if the service isn't that good. Also keep in mind federal minimum wage in the US is still 7 dollars, so there are still servers getting paid 2-3 dollars an hour in some places.

If they raised their wages, the restaurants would raise their prices to compensate, and at the same time, it's been a part of our culture for so long, I think people would still tip even if they tried to fix it, so I'm not sure what the answer is.

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

I think inflation is out of control right now. I know my grocery costs have pretty much doubled in the last couple of years. They can blame covid all they want, but I know a lot of our grocery chains are reporting record profits. I mean there are issues with this entire system that I don't think are sustainable, but what do I know?

I don't mind tipping for good service. Even though I almost always tip 20% I think that is a little ridiculous. Maybe I'm just showing my age, but I remember when 10% was a really good tip.

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[–] BeaSouth (3280) a year ago

It is absolutely an effort by businesses to transfer labor costs to the customer in a way that doesn’t raise prices. These businesses are keeping wages low by selling employees on the possibility of tips. It is out of control and enlists the employee somewhat in shaming the customer.

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[–] mikethemartian (6705) a year ago

For people in jobs that are traditionally tipped, they are actually at an advantage when customers tip with cash vs a job where 100% of their compensation comes from an employer.

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[–] sslssg (34211) a year ago

I understand that. What I don't understand is leaving your employees in a situation where if customers don't tip (because it is supposed to be optional) that they are basically working for free.

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[–] parkerbot (8993) a year ago

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[–] R_Kane (15828) a year ago

I respect your position, but don’t ever revisit the same restaurant again.

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[–] parkerbot (8993) a year ago

I don't think the servers at McDonalds will remember me, so I think I'm okay.

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[–] R_Kane (15828) a year ago

That’s not a restaurant.

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[–] parkerbot (8993) a year ago

Last time we were there, we sat by the fire place.

Don't hate me because I like fancy places.

https://a57.foxnews.com/a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/09/640/320/1862/1048/fireplacesmcd.jpg?ve=1&tl=1?ve=1&tl=1

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[–] VinceD (9805) a year ago

Tipping is absolutely out of control in the US. There is a restaurant near me that has no cashiers, waitstaff, or busboy. You order at a self-checkout kiosk and your food is slid out on a tray, cafeteria style. When you place your order, it asks if you want to tip 15, 20, or 25%, and you have to enter "0.00" to bypass it. I can imagine some people don't realize not-tipping is an option, and end up tipping for what was essentially no service.

I have always been a generous tipper when eating at restaurants, taking a cab, etc., but this new crap where every retailer is asking for a 25% tip is out of bounds.

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[–] ShogunofYonkers (77345) a year ago

Agreed, I find it rude.
As you say, waiters, cabbies, barbers ok, but not cashiers.

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[–] AndyKing1967 (38067) a year ago

Ditto.

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[–] TandyMan (11096) a year ago

My father tipped the cashier at Five Guys the other day. She wasn't even cooking the burger. It was the craziest thing I ever saw in my life.

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[–] Mrmojo4700 (21452) a year ago

Did he put the money in her hand?

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[–] TandyMan (11096) a year ago

No, he did it with the machine. You think it gets split all ways? Anyhow, F Five Guys. The quality has not recovered since the pandemic.

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[–] ace2 (570) a year ago

Just like surveys and marketing calls they overplayed their hand. Where once I would feel guilty about giving zero tips, they pushed me to the edge and now I am perfectly comfortable with it. Unless of course a server is involved... but pick up only? Hell no.

I am already paying $6 for a cup of coffee, what more do you want?

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[–] Where (1494) a year ago

Yes! The pay screens are offering 22 as the MINIMUM and 30% as the generous option. It used to be a 10 - 15 - 20% option range.

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[–] BKB (9877) a year ago

That's insanity

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