imagine the movies and stories we could be getting...
if everything wasn't so sanitized and filtered and put through politically correct lenses.
shareNo need to whine, I'm sure you can still get a copy of the original "Birth of a Nation" to fap to.
share🤣
shareumm sure "if you dont like what i do you a nazi". ultimate intelectual laziness
shareYou're the one who wants movies that aren't politically correct!
Backtracking now, are you?
whatever helps you.......
shareWeenie! You say you want movies that aren't politically correct, but wimp out when someone brings up the real deal.
shareAre you seriously equating 'The Lord of the Rings' (2001) and tv shows like 'Friends' (1994) to Nazis, the Klan, and 'Birth of Nations' (1915) [as the two initially mentioned properties are deemed "NONE PC"]?
sharei like actually well written strong female characters not mary sue "boss bitches"
so of course im therefore a white supremacist who likes birth of the nation.
im on the left but the left has left me behind. theve gone full nutjob
Mary Sues can still be well written and serve a purpose in a story, or at least be entertaining if not well written. Or do you also hate Luke Skywalker, Superman and Harry Potter, etc?
shareMary Sues can still be well written and serve a purpose in a story, or at least be entertaining if not well written.
they really cant. the point is our main character goes through a struggle and grows. this is story telling 101 knows for 3000+ years. if they dont grow and struggle, the arent interesting. they dont really go through an arc.
the problem isnt just they are already the best and dont grow, to be a "modern boss bitch" they also cant really be massively flawed because that would be "sexist". making it even more boring.
think of your list of the top 20 movies. they literally all have the things i mentioned and no mary sues.
Or do you also hate Luke Skywalker, Superman and Harry Potter, etc?
Here ill give you this education for free.
luke was a mary sue????????? in the first he was pretty shit, and naive. he has one skill, piloting and his best trait is his good heart. he had heart and bravery but he wasnt taking on Vader in a lightsaber fight like Rey did in her first film vs Ren. In fact in Empire he barely uses force pull to get his lightsaber to free himself from the ice and the Wampas trying to eat him. Literally a rudimentary force power, and he barely can do it. Versus Rey, who in film one, despite zero training and very little time passing, can not only resist force mind attacks against an advanced force user and rebound them. shes an already an amazing lightsaber duelist beating Kylo.
Luke STILL lost in Empire against Vader and lost a hand for it. it wasnt until the third film he stood a chance after he got more training and years passed. thats called growth, facing obstacles, chacter development and an arc.
Harry potter?? did you read the books or watch the same movies? sure he had some talents (who wants to watch a talentless protagonist) but thats why he has Hermoine and Ron. to make up for his own short coming because he literally isnt a mary sue and has large flaws. like often being brash, overly emotionally driven, not the most intelectual or academically smart (he does shit on his exams except for afew classes he excels at). this often leads to dangerous situations he puts himself and others in that requires him needing help or saving because he isnt a mary sue. Hes excellent at Quidditch sure and a slightly above average magic user, but massively overshadowed by many, and doesnt simply automatically just become the best at whatever he tries. Even to learn something like the Patronus spell he's shown practicing and practicing and practicing. despite this when he needs it most he still fails at it, only saved by a future version of himself who did eventually produce it. thats called DEVELOPEMENT. thats called struggle and growth. thats an arc. He earns it over time a grows as a character. he isnt just automatically the best at it.
This is nothing like Rey. you dont understand story telling in the slightest
share
Aw, thanks so much, I love freebies. But I tend to disagree with you. I don't believe struggle is necessary to tell a good story. Many good stories centre around someone who goes on a fun adventure and comes back much the same. Sometimes the adventure itself is the story, not the character's development.
Also, regarding Harry Potter - Ron and Hermione were almost never there when he was fighting against the main bad guy. They weren't with him at the end in movie 1, 2, 3...you see what I mean? And we're talking about an 11 yo who didn't grow up around magic constantly defeating a world-renowned magical mass murderer/cult leader on his own. Sure, he experienced struggles and sure he had assistance at times, but not to the extent that you could discount him as a Mary Sue.
Same as Clark Kent in Smallville. Every episode he "struggled", but every episode he persevered. Sure, you can blame that on the tv series format, but it didn't stop the show from being entertaining and Clark really didn't change greatly as a character from season 1 to season 10, and that's a lot of episodes.
But what do I know, right? Guess I'm just too uneducated to "get it".
I don't believe struggle is necessary to tell a good story. Many good stories centre around someone who goes on a fun adventure and comes back much the same. Sometimes the adventure itself is the story, not the character's development.
then you dont know what you are talking about. like i said come up with your top 20 list or hell go to the imdb top 101. they pretty much all mee this. the vast majority of stories are as i described them. and Rey and the sequels are supposed to be in this vein. Shes the main protagonists and she is supposed to grow and overcome the antaganists. the film is setup that way, but instead they make her a mary sue already good at everything. this isnt some episode of rugrats or adventure time. you are trying to have your cake and eat it.
Also, regarding Harry Potter - Ron and Hermione were almost never there when he was fighting against the main bad guy. They weren't with him at the end in movie 1, 2, 3...you see what I mean? And we're talking about an 11 yo who didn't grow up around magic constantly defeating a world-renowned magical mass murderer/cult leader on his own. Sure, he experienced struggles and sure he had assistance at times, but not to the extent that you could discount him as a Mary Sue.
1. there is more to the story than "the fight with the main bad guy" which often happened at the end. There was so much other obstacles and struggles and events throughout each book that led to this. you purposely overlooked multiple things i said and the story itself to suit your narrative. So no i dont see what you mean and your overly simplistic "understanding" of storytelling. that ignored all the counter eidence and, in the case of goblet of fire, overlooks 640 pages of a books, to focus on the 20 pages of "the fight with the main bad guy"
2. Yes if you actually read the book kids werent allowed to do magic and had no wands prior to attending school. meaning besides exposure seeing Harry had no less practical training than any other kid born in the wizarding world. i explained already with the potronus spell example of him having to grow, work extremely hard, struggle and still failing even when it mattered most. He certainly wasnt a mary sue. he was arguably only “the best” naturally at quidditch. but that was hardly fundamental to his struggle vs the antagonist or his main growth as a character. even at that he messed up and failed at times. you dont know what a mary sue is clearlyyyyyyyyyy
that is the tv show format, and a simplified episodic one at that.
you clearly dont know anything and it shows. share