Yes, ugly people are the one oppressed and marginalised group that self-identifying 'wokesters' believe it's 'okay' to demonise.
Heaven forbid that a handsome/good-looking person is depicted as evil. No, according to the media, it's 'amoral' and 'glamourises' serial killers and rapists etc if a handsome/beautiful person is cast in the role. So, by extension, 'woke' media is telling us that it's 'okay' to suggest that homely or ugly people are innately evil, and all good-looking people are innocent and pure.
Does anyone else have a problem with this? This is typical 'woke' media hypocrisy. Of course they're going to simp for the pretty people of Hollywood. And of course they're going to propagate a narrative that forces people to shell out even more money on cosmetics, cosmetic surgery, the latest fashion and gym club memberships, because heaven forfend that anyone should look 'ugly'.
'Woke' media/Hollywood hypocrisy at its most blatant.
What next? Only poor people should play murderers/rapists (after all, wealth is as glamorous and aspirational as beauty)? Should only disabled people play villains too? Then again, hasn't that always been the case with such franchises as 007, in which all the main villains have some sort of physical deformity?
The person who wrote this article believes that if a serial killer/rapist is portrayed by a handsome actor, it will somehow glamourise and 'inspire' people in real life to commit such crimes, but '*I'm* the 'stupid one'...uh-huh...
They are also fatuous enough to argue that villains should never get a happy ending in films/shows...
Right...Because pretending the world is entirely fair, and only good people have happy lives, and all evil people end up miserable, isn't remotely offensive, is it? And by that logic, Jimmy Saville must have paid for his serial crimes in raping and molesting children before he died, right...? *sigh*
PS: The mods are at it again. I get a warning for 'rudeness' (despite having said nothing about Kowalski, and only having been rude about the author of the linked article, who I doubt visits this site), and yet Kowalski is allowed to call me a 'SPECIAL KIND OF STUPID'...That doesn't seem very fair to me.
Engage with the issue instead of getting hung up on a damn word.
The 'virtue-signalling' media is, in this case, trying to argue that it's 'wrong' to portray serial killers and rapists as physically attractive. I suspect they believe they are coming from a 'progressive' and 'politically conscious' perspective (i.e. 'heaven forbid that bad people are "glamourised"'). It's all part and parcel of an increasingly simplistic and binary approach to 'good' and 'evil' that has emerged in the post-Trump era.
My argument, as a *genuine* progressive leftist, is that it is all brainless faux-woke BS, much like the early 90s political-correctness movement. It's not about genuine, thoughtful, intelligent, engaged progressive politics. If these media people engaged with their brains for a single moment, they'd recognise that it's deeply offensive and akin to body-shaming to suggest that only 'ugly' and 'homely' people should portray villains.
I don't know what your politics are, but I suggest that if you're more upset by the dismissal of the word 'woke' than you are by the actual right-wing/reactionary body-shaming/elitist nonsense I'm calling out, you're not a *true* progressive, but one of those annoying tribalists who aren't properly engaged in actual political issues and ideas.
Do you have a thought of your own, or do you simply take whatever position you believe you're obliged to take?
The left needs free and critical thinkers, not mindless, unquestioning automatons. If you're one of the latter, you're actually a hiderence to the progressive movement, and would do us more good if you joined our enemies (i.e. the conservatives).
They are also fatuous enough to argue that villains should never get a happy ending in films/shows...
Right...Because pretending the world is entirely fair, and only good people have happy lives, and all evil people end up miserable, isn't remotely offensive, is it? And by that logic, Jimmy Saville must have paid for his serial crimes in raping and molesting children before he died, right...?
How could it be offensive to want villains to get punished?
Even if there will be criminals who get away with what they do in real life, it is not what many of us want to see in TV shows and movies.
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"it is not what many of us want to see in TV shows and movies."
Speak for yourself.
Pretending the world is fair and just, and that good people are rewarded and bad people are punished, is arguably the most toxic and dangerous message we can present. It breeds a culture of entitlement and resentment (i.e. "I've been good, why haven't I been rewarded"/"I've been punished, does that mean I'm not good?"), and I suspect a large contributor to so-called incel culture (men/boys have an expectation of sex, as a reward, for being 'Nice Guys', instead of taking a more philosophical approach to life that accepts that, hey, sometimes 'nice guys' *do* finish last, and an unsuccessful life isn't necessarily an indictment of one's entire personality).
I don't live vicariously through movie and TV characters. Anyone who does is rather dim IMHO. But I do expect movies and TV shows to reflect the world as it often is (i.e. unfair, cruel and injust), rather than sell us offensively delusional fairytales and wish-fulfilment stories that tell us the lie 'If you are good and kind, you will end up happy.' Sorry, but as someone who has spent their entire life volunteering for others, that is a deeply, DEEPLY offensive SLAP IN THE FACE.
If you engage with the media on any level whatsoever (and if you don't, what exactly are you doing on a site called Movie Chat?) I'd suggest that representation *does* matter? It matters in the same way that purely negative representations of Black people, or purely negative representations of women, or purely negative representations of gay and trans people, matter. If we say that all villains must be portrayed by 'ugly' and 'homely' actors, aren't we basically implying that only 'ugly' and 'homely' people are evil? And in view of how disadvantaged 'ugly' and 'homely' people already are (studies have demonstrated that individuals considered 'better-looking' tend to be paid more and are treated better than their peers; in fact, it's one of the most blatant forms of social privilege, and yet one of the few that ever gets spoken about...possibly because various companies and corporations have a vested interest in selling us cosmetics, beauty magazines, clothes and films/TV shows dominated by the 'beautiful people'), is it right to demonise them even more? Surely all oppressed and marginalised people deserve a break in view of the systemic disadvantages they already suffer.
Actually, it seems to me that the author wasn't only talking about looks.
What’s key in avoiding portraying serial killers, or any character who does terrible things, as attractive or compelling, is how the rest of the script unfolds. Getting this balance right involves following three simple rules: their crimes should never be excused or minimised; the impact of those crimes on the victim and their nearest and dearest should always be forefront in the viewer’s mind; and, most importantly, the serial killer should never get their happily ever after.
It is clear that she's also thinking about the villain's personality and how sympathetic he/she is to the viewers.
And I don't see that she says that only "ugly" or "homely" people should play villains.
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"The problem with the entertainment industry casting physically attractive psychopaths"
Yes, I am extrapolating, but it's an entirely logical extrapolation. If it's somehow 'problematic' to cast physically attractive people as psychopaths, that means in this person's opinion it is *only* acceptable to cast 'ugly' and 'homely' people in such roles.
We already have a society that believes physical beauty is associated with spiritual beauty (and thus that physical homeliness is associated with spiritual ugliness), which in turn breeds body-shaming, self-loathing, self-harm and ultimately suicide. This writer presumably has no issue with such outcomes, just as long as her favourite hunk isn't being cast as a baddie (perish the thought).
Yeah, OP fell prey to the clickbait headline, missed the context of the writer's argument...and all this to push some ridiculous conspiracy theory about cosmetic surgery and gym memberships.
This is all about the romanticization of serial killers, that's all.
I didn't say anything about conspiracy theories. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
But clearly people who work in the media have common goals and objectives. That doesn't entail a concerted conspiracy theory concerning people in shadowy smokey rooms rat around a table, but it does mean that the media has an agenda, often set by its paymasters (e.g. Rupert Murdoch. Fan of him, are you?) and advertisers, and that agenda is mostly driven by what generates the largest revenue. That's just logical and rational (i.e. the exact opposite of the typical conspiracy theory, which depend on absurd flights of fantasy).
As for 'clickbait headlines', you may regard yourself as superior for ignoring them, but, rightly or wrongly, they *do* matter, because taken at face-value, as will be the case for many people in the media, who don't have the time to read entire articles and register their inherent nuances, they set the agenda. Many people will only see the headline and barely skim through the article, thus taking away the 'message' that 'good-looking people should not be cast as villains'.
Besides, fwiw, the entire article, irrespective of the headline, is complete nonsense. It's not 'glamourisation' to depict the world as it actually is, rather than as a simplistic good versus evil morality play. If individuals like the writer of this article, can't stomach more complex narratives, I suggest they stick exclusively to fairytales, mid-80s action films and Star Wars/Lord of the Rings. The rest of us *adults* will continue to seek out more sophisticated, nuanced and honest fare.
Evidently the people in the media are dumber than I originally thought they were. They don't seem to know jack shit about what they're talking about, and they are contradicting themselves too.
While it is a common trope to have an attractive hero and an ugly villain, that's not necessarily the standard. Villains represent something evil in the story, and their appearance is based more on what they represent, rather than a single commentary about what is attractive and what isn't. I've seen stories where the hero is unattractive and the villain was gorgeous. I've seen truly hideous villains played by actors that are actually very attractive in real life (take a look at what Rose McGowan and Ralph Fiennes). Some villains aren't even human (we're talking CGI or puppets here), and then the casting of the actor isn't based on looks at all, but on how well they can do the voice and sometimes the body acting of the character.
It should also be noted that this lame pop philosophy of "the actors should have the same traits as their characters" is a very ignorant and stupid idea. Part of the challenge (and fun) of being an actor is pretending to be someone you're not for the story. Many actors love this aspect of their chosen career, and it's not fair to those who want to try something new, or step out of their comfort zone, to be passed over because they didn't have the same traits (both physical and behavioral) as the character they auditioned for. And what are the casting directors in Hollyweird gonna do if they need someone to play a supernatural character? Go find an actor who is a vampire or some other non-human in real life? No chance!
Good points. Not the same ones I was making, but good nonetheless.
I'll be honest, when it comes to ethnicity, race and sexuality, I tend to be a stickler for authenticity. I do prefer it when a Jewish actor is cast as a Jewish character, or a gay actor is cast as a gay character, but I also respect that there may occasionally be good reasons for not doing so (i.e. availability and marketability; for example, Helen Mirren was recently cast as Golda Meir, and whilst I'd have preferred a Jewish woman in the part, apart from Debra Winger, who hasn't been in the spotlight for many years, I can't think of a high-profile Jewish actress over 60 who'd be right for the part; for example, Bette Midler and Barbara Streisand don't tend to do those types of serious/dramatic roles).
Still, the point about villains is that anyone should, in theory, be allowed to play a villain, and there shouldn't be a standard. We can have white villains, Black villains, male villains, female villains, gay villains, straight villains, ugly villains and handsome villians. There shouldn't be a limit, just as long as it's not the same group that's *constantly* being portrayed as villains all the time.
The irony is that it's traditionally been 'ugly' and 'homely' people who've been portrayed as villains (particularly in animation, where there are fewer qualms about featuring an 'ugly' character), so complaining about 'good-looking villains' strikes me as particularly egregious.
I think it's dumb, really, because to claim that showing an attractive villain glorifies their evil deeds. The talking heads in the media must think the movie-viewing audience is truly stupid, because 9 times out of 10, attractive or not, the viewers are not gonna be rooting for the bad character. They may admire the character's looks or wardrobe, but most of them are not okay with what the character is doing, and what kind of personality they have. In fact, any villains that have fans usually are in niche groups, rather than the majority. The majority of the audience is gonna be fans of the "good guys."
If they truly wanted to glorify a villain's bad deeds, the film would be casting them as the anti-hero and the traditional "good guys" as the villains, and convincing the movie audience that what the villain did was right, and not have to suffer any consequences for their actions. I could think of a few crappy, live-action Disney films that did just that recently.
I agree with the first paragraph. I don't think audiences are that stupid. It's offensive to argue that anyone is drawn to doing bad simply because a fictional villain is portrayed by a handsome or beautiful actor.
I don't entirely agree with the second paragraph, however, because I personally prefer complex and nuanced characters, and, apart from a tiny handful of irredeemable psychopaths, I don't believe anyone is 100% 'evil' (or, for that matter, 100% 'good' and 'pure'). That said, I did find Disney's decision to 'rehabilitate' Cruella De Ville rather bizarre, because it's impossible to give such a character pathos (i.e. she is motivated by skinning dogs and wearing their fur), without fundamentally changing the essence of her character, which rather misses the point IMHO.