Maybe I'm just a woke SJW. Maybe I'm just a leftist commie zealot. But I do seem to see a lot of people advocating for "white separatism" or some variation thereof
And the response to this on here seems to be, at best, nothing more than eye-rolls
This website is clearly a forum for open racism. Or am I just fucking crazy?
I notice it too. For the most part I put the worst ones on ignore.
shareParler and Gab not good enough, I guess.
shareThis website is a forum for open racism.
You are not crazy.
Moderation at this site values freedom of speech, and will not silence someone's God Given Right to speak their disgusting thoughts.
True. I guess it makes sense. People like that would likely be banned in more restrictive sites and they've found a home here
shareThis. Also one attracts more and they start to all come so that they can agree with each other and feel 'safe' about their bigotry.
shareGood point. I HAVE always wondered if these freaks are inviting their nutjob buddies to this place. If you look at all the old archived IMDb threads, there are SOME political threads, but nothing like what you see now. Where EVERY single page is flooded with people whining about "wokeness"
I don't consider myself a woke person at all. I literally just wanted a chill place to talk about movies, but these people have become so disruptive that it's unavoidable
It's obvious that some of these accounts are sock puppets, but I see multiple accounts with thousands of posts whining about racial and LGBTQ issues
The only people that use the word 'woke' here are people upset about films being progressive.
Visual media has 'always' been progressive, pushing ideas that SCARE people who don't want things to change.
Absolutely true. That's what these simpletons just refuse to grasp: like it or not, most artistic fields are full of political progressives. Always have been and always will be. For the most part I consider that a very good thing. Sometimes I feel like the movie industry is insincerely pandering to cultural fads, but I don't see that as the decay of Western civilization or any insane shit like that
shareMisery loves company
shareFurther to this though I have to say at least the racism is largely just insinuated here. It’s not hard to pick the racist members but generally they won’t come out with blatant racist statements, rather they will hang it all on “woke culture” rather than throwing around the N word like they most probably do in private.
The prejudice against gay or trans people is a COMPLETELY different story though. Fag, homo, cocksucker, poofter are all terms I see here pretty much daily and people seem to have no qualms about verbally attacking lgbt people on the reg. They are completely demonised, likened to pedophiles, called sick freaks… I’m not sure if others notice this as much as I do but it’s pretty filthy and potentially distressing to a gay film lover who just wants to talk movies. I saw a recent thread where one of the regulars suggested there are no gay people here. I would argue there are probably plenty but very few that would want to open themselves up to the vile shit so many throw around. Personally I couldn’t give a fuck and will stand up for myself when challenged but I’d totally understand if others are put off the site because it’s open season on them for simply being who they are.
Yes. I agree. The LGBTQ+ bashing on here is quite ridiculous.
shareYup, I agree. I didn't want to come out and just start labeling people as bigots, just wanted to focus on a "single issue" in my post. But yes, I've also noticed that there is a huge amount of open homophobia and transphobia. The threads I see in Elliot Page's and The Wachowski's pages are especially horrible
shareI haven't seen barely any racism here. And by 'racism' I mean the true meaning of the term: thinking that somebody is inferior just because his race or ethnic group, without any further consideration.
What I've seen here is people who are aware of different ethnic groups have on average different qualities and cultural values. That doesn't mean that it applies to every member without exception. There has been always people who don't fit in the ethnic group average profile. However, the majority are close to the average.
The average characteristics in an ethnic group has a big influence in the quality of life: you don't have the same quality of life in Germany and Zimbabwe. Immigration usually goes from poor areas to rich ones, and when that immigration is massive, you have a big social shift which is not likely to be for the better. Separatism is a reasonable position, calling it 'racism' is dishonest.
Some years ago, there was a campaign in Sweden with left celebrities telling how much they loved diversity. One guy checked where they lived, and all of them happened to live in the whitest areas. What the odds, huh? Or the case of Zuckerberg, the Facebook pro-diversity anti-walls. He bought a land in Hawaii where everybody surrounded their property with short walls, and he built high ones, textbook "do what I say, not what I do".
Give me a break. Butter wouldn’t melt in its mouth.
Are you denying you said black people have contributed NOTHING to western culture and “kick them all back to Africa”??
Not everyone here has the memory of a goldfish, pal.
So what's exactly the contribution of Black people to the mankind?
You had a significant contribution to Jazz Music, which was great, and then... theeen...
mmm... aand...
aheem...
aaaand... damn!
well, that was it. That's the whole contribution of an entire continent to the progress of mankind. Ok, you're right, it's not exactly nothing. Let's say it's near to nothing.
Did you really say "kick them all back to Africa."?
sharekick them all back to Africa
He did, and he has denied it or deflected from being called out about it ever since, as you can see by his non-answer to your question. I suspect it was a moment of anger where he let the facade of being the all-virtuous resident anti-woke crusader slip and revealed his true colours with such a violent and undeniably racist statement.
You better believe he said it. More than that, he meant it. No amount of his elaborate word salads and talk of cultural characteristics change the fact that he’s a straight-up white supremacist with the ugliest of agendas.
I have no doubt those words came out of his mouth. I simply wanted to see how he would spin it. And frankly, his non answer is pretty damn bad as well.
shareYou seem to believe that different ethnic backgrounds have had an even playing field in the world.
What have impoverished people contributed? Wealthy people are always able to contribute to world change that is just a fact of life. For you to pretend as though people living at the bottom rung, largely by no fault of their own, have the same opportunities that people at the top have is pure ignorance.
For you to pretend as though people living at the bottom rung, largely by no fault of their own, have the same opportunities that people at the top have is pure ignorance.
Let's see . . .why on Earth would an entire race of people in this country be poor you idiot? Perhaps because they were slaves and then freed with no money or resources to pick them up off of the bottom and when they tried they were discriminated against, couldn't get jobs, buy land, get education. The only people that would hire them payed them slave wages and their only recourse to make more money was crime and those that weren't criminals were treated the same way that criminals were only they didn't get any sort of benefit that crime money can afford a person.
I actually can't believe how ignorant you are . . . is this a joke?
This guy has definitely spent hours reading white supremacist literature. He's brainwashed himself. Although you are obviously right, I'm sure he'll dismiss this kind of talk as Zionist propaganda or something like that
shareI don't understand how an American, who has gone to the fifth grade, would blame the African American people in this country for being poor and that it's 'their fault'.
Christ.
This guy has definitely spent hours reading white supremacist literature.
You respond to this comment but not to the thread where I asked you questions you were too afraid to answer? What a little bitch. Go back to hiding
shareYou respond to this comment but not to the thread where I asked you questions you were too afraid to answer?
Sure you can answer however you want. I'm not the boss of you lol
It's just very telling that you're scared of answering with a simple yes or no
Let's see . . .why on Earth would an entire race of people in this country be poor you idiot? Perhaps because they were slaves and then freed with no money or resources
"I haven't seen barely any racism here. And by 'racism' I mean the true meaning of the term: thinking that somebody is inferior just because his race or ethnic group, without any further consideration."
It's funny how YOU PEOPLE always complain that the woke mob has changed the definition of racism to exclude discriminating against whites, but you yourself are carefully re-defining the word and hoping no one notices
Of course when you say "without any further consideration" you are opening a door for yourself to sneak your racism in in the guise of cultural or societal critique
With your definition we could justify the actions of Nazis. They weren't exterminating Jews "without any further consideration", they were trying to save Western Civilization. I don't think I've ever heard of a single racist that simply hated other races because they looked different. Almost every single racist justifies it by claiming the other race is doing something bad to the community. With your carefully worded definition there would conveniently be almost not cases of racism
And not sure what your point is about Zuckerberg. You think any true leftist would consider a billionaire to be on their side? Not surprised that rich liberals are giant hypocrites, that's something we can both agree on
but you yourself are carefully re-defining the word and hoping no one notices
With your definition we could justify the actions of Nazis. They weren't exterminating Jews "without any further consideration", they were trying to save Western Civilization.
That's dishonest debate, not to call it something less polite.
Talking honestly about the problems and differences between different ethnic groups, and about whether it's convenient (or not) to share a common society is not the same than genocide. That's like saying that people who talk openly about problems in a marriage and support the possibility of divorce are the same than those who kill their wife.
That is how nazis began their genocide campaign tho.
I'll ask again, since you didn't seem to address my point. Do you believe that "thinking that somebody is inferior just because his race or ethnic group..." WITH further consideration should not be considered racism?
shareI'll ask again, since you didn't seem to address my point. Do you believe that "thinking that somebody is inferior just because his race or ethnic group..." WITH further consideration should not be considered racism?
That's funny. As soon as somebody asks you to answer a question directly you start getting defensive and upset
I'll ask AGAIN. Do you think that, if you feel that there are societal/cultural/economic/etc. reasons to justify considering other races and/or ethnic groups as inferior, that that is not racist?
You can't answer a straight question and have to start gibbering "expensive brand" metaphors?
I'll ask AGAIN. Do you think that, if you feel that there are societal/cultural/economic/etc. reasons to justify considering other races and/or ethnic groups as inferior, that that is not racist?
LOL ok. It only took you like 10 hours to respond, and you still did not respond to my yes or no question with either a yes or a no, but at least you gathered the beans to respond
Traditionally, the concept of racism was used to label an irrational non-sensible way of thinking. That's why the term had such negative connotations. Using it to label the fair and unprejudicial statement of facts of the real world, like that some cultural and social norms are clearly more beneficial than others, that's breaking the term.
I can translate this paragraph from your purposely obfuscative way of talking into what you actually mean
Again, do you think that, if you feel that there are societal/cultural/economic/etc. reasons to justify considering other races and/or ethnic groups as inferior, that that is not racist? Yes or no?
Sure. You can keep assigning to me words I haven't said. After all, you have been doing it the whole thread. But I only answer about what I actually said, not about what you decide to make up.
Again, I copypaste the answer I already gave: "different ethnic groups have different social norms and values. And some social norms are clearly more productive and beneficial than others. That's not racism. That's reality.".
I haven't seen barely any racism here. And by 'racism' I mean the true meaning of the term: thinking that somebody is inferior just because his race or ethnic group, without any further consideration.
Why do you find it impossible to answer a yes/no question with a yes/no answer? [...] YES OR NO? [...] does thinking that somebody is inferior because of his/her race or ethnic group make you a racist?
Do you believe that "thinking that somebody is inferior just because his race or ethnic group..." WITH further consideration should not be considered racism?
I was trying to make a specific point, but since kukuxu chose to chicken out of this discussion there's no point in expounding on it further
shareWell I'm here, and you're responding to me now. Expound. Make one of your "sweet points."
shareNo lol. Why would I do that? Do you endorse all of kukuxu's views?
shareNo, not all. Maybe not even most. I don't know because I'm not familiar with his posting history.
But I know that judging a person solely based on his race/ethnicity is racism, and judging a person based on factors beyond his race/ethnicity ("further consideration") is not racism. You apparently still think it is, so by all means; expound. Make a "sweet point."
SURE YEAH..."A PERSON"...THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
share"Judging a group of people solely based on their race/ethnicity is racism, and judging a group of people based on factors beyond their race/ethnicity ("further consideration") is not racism."
EVERY GROUP CONTAINS INDIVIDUALS...MAYBE NOT RACISM...BUT SURELY NARROW MINDEDNESS.
share"Judging a group of people solely based on their race/ethnicity is racism, and judging a group of people based on factors beyond their race/ethnicity ("further consideration") is not racism."
What your missing is , you think the guy who wrote that was thinking of "further consideration" as weighing up a particular persons other attributes, which may well make them inferior ,
whereas he actually meant 'further consideration' to mean:
"i've looked at that entire ethnic groups history , and after further consideration , they are all inferior"
So you're like his tag team partner? If kukuxu is too chicken to keep this specific discussion going then its over. That definition of racism isn't mine, it's kukuxu's, in his own words. He regularly talks about desiring a white ethnostate and makes allusions to how he feels about specific racial groups, but also ADAMANTLY insists that he does not deserve to be labeled a racist
You can respond separately to my OP with your own views on it and I'll happily reply to you there
Pffff, what's it been, like 7 hours since he responded? Maybe he has a life. Sometimes I respond to people weeks or months later. Doesn't mean I'm chicken. Just busy with life.
That definition of racism isn't mine, it's kukuxu's, in his own words.No, the definition I responded to was yours. Don't try to pawn it off on him. Defend your points.
He regularly talks about desiring a white ethnostate
but also ADAMANTLY insists that he does not deserve to be labeled a racist
It was literally his definition, I was quoting him. Go back in the thread and see for yourself. I think that the definition is a dumb one and I explained why earlier in the thread
I'm not twisting anything he's saying. And if I am, he could easily come back and clear things up, but he chickened out and quit
I'm sure you ARE inclined to believe his side based on the interactions I've had with you before lol. I'm sure your inclinations lie much more on his side than mine
What do you want me to show you? That he believes in a white ethnostate? I'm not going to do the work of going through his post history when you could just as easily do the same. If you do think "fuck him" of someone that believes in the need for a white ethnostate then good for you. I don't need to convince you because you might actually be a decent person and that's enough for me. The proof is easily found in his post history if you want to see for yourself
Pffff, what's it been, like 7 hours since he responded? Maybe he has a life. Sometimes I respond to people weeks or months later.
> He regularly talks about desiring a white ethnostate
Show me. If so, fuck him.
Because they're UPSET the world doesn't go as they wanted.
shareI seen more racism and hate speech against republicans, conservatives, right-wingers and the USA in the site.
On average, yes. Absolutely. But you have to be willing to see all that kind of shit when you accept free speech. Both sides. Let people reveal themselves. Reveal what is inside of them. There is no growth nor understanding unless people are free to express themselves. Calling out bad actors is good. Silencing them is bad.
shareYou tell me...
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