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Derek Chauvin Trial Verdict Results; GUILTY x3!

posted 4 years ago by Rorikon (18397)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIAYvkFCRks
https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/43702939/the-charges-against-derek-chauvin-in-the-death-of-george-floyd-explained

-Count 1: [https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19]
Unintentional 2nd degree murder (while committing a felony) - Guilty

Alleges Chauvin caused Floyd's death "without intent" while committing or attempting to commit felony third-degree assault. In turn, third-degree assault is defined as the intentional infliction of substantial bodily harm.
Up to 40 years max

-Count 2: [https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195]
3rd degree murder (perpetrating an imminently dangerous act) - Guilty

Alleges Chauvin caused Floyd's death by "perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life."
Up to 25 years max

-Count 3: [https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205]
2nd degree manslaughter (culpable negligence creating an unreasonable risk) - Guilty

Alleges Chauvin caused Floyd's death by "culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm."
Up to 10 years max

Note: Chauvin is already 45 years old, so take his age predict his sentencing length. There is also grounds for appeal later on.

So, this means no riots then right? Right?

[–] tsrt (1177) 4 years ago

Good.

[–] yatzo376 (7755) 4 years ago

Good

[–] warrior-poet (1369) 4 years ago

I don't agree with Count 1, and I find Count 2 a bit questionable (the "a depraved mind, without regard for human life" is a bit much, but is subjective enough to be argued in this case). Count 3, however, is very appropriate in my view.
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[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

Count 1:
Causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order.

Fits well imo.

[–] warrior-poet (1369) 4 years ago

"While attempting to commit a felony" does not fit at all, and to my knowledge Chauvin didn't have a restraining order against him.

[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

Felony probably relates to while doing 3rd degree murder. All jury agreed so, yeah.

[–] warrior-poet (1369) 4 years ago

Possibly. In that regard, the one piece that might be able to be squeezed in there is:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting;

However, I find that to be a real stretch. The language states "or attempting to commit a felony offense". Chauvin wasn't attempting to commit a felony offense, technically. This statement implies intent to commit a felony, and I don't find that to be true. Although, second degree manslaughter includes "by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another", so maybe the "consciously" part of that can tenuously be applied?

Hmm. I can't buy into that. He should never have even been charged with Count 1. But you're right, what counts officially is what the jury landed on. I don't entirely agree with it, but I think the country needed it to turn out this way.
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[–] warrior-poet (1369) 4 years ago

This is long, but here's an ex-cop discussing it. He also does not agree with Count 1 (I skipped through it and hit on that one point he made). He makes a lot of good points here, especially in regard to other cases of truly innocent victims who should have much more visibility and notoriety (and their face on T-shirts, as he says) than the one involving this criminal who put himself in this position. I would recommend at least skimming through it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zAWMaS0fM4
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[–] kspkap (13629) 4 years ago

Very thoughtful and right on the mark! He’s a Black guy who says the trial was unfair! The judge himself said the verdict is ripe for an appeal. Well dammit he should have moved the trial. I have a feeling the majority if not all of the jurors were fearful of not throwing the book at Chauvin! It’s a sad day for jurisprudence!

[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

My issue is, telling perps/thugs/gangbangers/hooligans/punks/criminals/suspects to obey police and not resist is the same sorry ass excuse as telling them to obey gun laws if gun control is passed.

Bad folks have the upper hand since cops are held to a higher standard and responsibility so they want it where you have to wait for the bad guy to judge the cop first before the cops can respond in kind be it a weapon or other.

[–] warrior-poet (1369) 4 years ago

Very good point. Trying to alter the behavior of those inclined toward criminal activity, whether for abiding the directions of police or obeying guns laws, falls prey to the same depraved inclinations and are both as ineffective. In fact, stricter gun laws will almost certainly only affect law-abiding citizens, while enhancing opportunities for criminals to follow their proclivities (I wish those pushing such measures understood this). Forcing behavioral change with ever more restrictive laws won't work (although punishment is a deterrent, and has it's place).

The absolute only thing that will ever resolve the situation is preventative, and is the hardest path to tread: a change of social culture, mindset, worldview within the communities that are plagued with these problems, teaching them from childhood that there's a better way. There's a lot of good people who have dragged themselves out of these environments, and who are endeavoring to affect change for others, but it's a very tall, uphill battle.

I suppose there is the option of culling the herd and putting into practice what some are inaccurately claiming police are already doing (i.e. running around gunning down gangsters). Oops, did I type that out loud?
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[–] db20db (17758) 4 years ago

"Felony probably relates to while doing 3rd degree murder."

This is another example of why I see you as disseminating distorted, uninformed information here. The word "probably" red flags it as speculation.

If you had actually paid any attention to the trial proceedings, you would have learned that the felony charge in question, leading to the #1 charge of 2nd degree murder (which in other states is known as 'felony murder'), was a result of the excessive force applied. Said excessive force qualified as a felonious assault in which a death occurred. Got it?

[–] wrlord (1228) 4 years ago

There was a protective order? Stop trying to play lawyer, ace. You're not equipped.

[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

I don't need to nor have I claimed to be a lawyer, ace. I merely copy/pasted the definition under said clause. Jury stands and has made judgement.

The second-degree unintentional murder charge alleged Chauvin caused Floyd's death "without intent" while committing or attempting to commit felony third-degree assault. In turn, third-degree assault is defined as the intentional infliction of substantial bodily harm.

The third-degree murder charge alleged Chauvin caused Floyd's death by "perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life."

The second-degree manslaughter charge alleged Chauvin caused Floyd's death by "culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm."

Each of the three charges required prosecutors to prove that Chauvin's actions were not objectively reasonable and that they were a substantial cause of Floyd's death. But the charges differ primarily in how they interpret his intent and mindset during his restraint of Floyd.

Some of the terms in these charges have specific definitions. Others were left up to the jury to interpret.

As in any criminal case, the prosecution had the burden of proof and had to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt.

[–] Filmtenk2 (4144) 4 years ago

Justice.

[–] elcamino (15540) 4 years ago

Time served with keeping your pension and working somewhere else.
https://www.newsweek.com/derek-chauvin-will-still-eligible-keep-his-pension-despite-guilty-verdict-1585175

[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

Now he'll know what it feels like to be under socialism and fed free money and necessities. :P

As for working somewhere... where? He'll be too old and retired by then to work anywhere let alone anyone wanting to hire him.

[–] elcamino (15540) 4 years ago

That state has plenty of ticket trap towns that will hire him to sit on the road and write tickets. If not he will move to Florida where he has a home and work one of there ticket trap towns,They could care less your age just keep the quota of tickets.

[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

Question will be if he'll even want to work by the time he gets out. He'll probably be like OJ where he'll retire the good life with the money accrued while in prison. When he was sentenced, he didn't even seem mad about it. I think he's in safe hands with the other cops there and will probably get preferential treatment with his fellow officers.

[–] elcamino (15540) 4 years ago

You probably thought Donald and Hunter Biden was going to go to jail. Prune face Waters gave him grounds to appeal so they will give hime time served and probation. He will move to some speed trap town in Florida and work there till he does retire then start drinking to much and die in his 70's.

[–] Filmtenk2 (4144) 4 years ago

What police department in their right mind would hire a former cop who got fired for murdering a suspect in custody? If I was in FL and got ticketed by officer Chauv. I'd flip out that I was allowed to be put in that situation with a convicted murderer.

[–] elcamino (15540) 4 years ago

Most likely just some speed trap town in Florida. He will work till he drinks to much and die in his 70's.

[–] B1cKsurN (17838) 4 years ago

The Jury didn't want to be doxxed/their homes burned down/family threatened/possibly murdered

We'll be hearing about the appeals soon, I'm sure.

The mob will be rioting tonight regardless.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

Or maybe they just watched the video?

Imagine clinging to the notion Chauvin of all people is not guilty. That's the hill you choose to die on. ....yikes.

[–] elcamino (15540) 4 years ago

They will celebrate till Crapmala loses in 24 and then realize the Latinos has passed them.

[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

How are they going to get doxxed and homes burned? They're not even revealed during the trial. Unless someone leaks something to the public, they're pretty safe. I could tell some of them were black based on voice alone though.

[–] wrlord (1228) 4 years ago

The mob has spoken. They got what they wanted. No justice and no peace.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

No, I believe the 9:00 video spoke.

[–] db20db (17758) 4 years ago

Without that 17 year old girl's viral video, it's very likely this case never even would have gone to trial. It could possibly become as historic as the Zapruder Film someday.

[–] Rorikon (18397) 4 years ago

So, does that mean you'll riot? How will you protest this travesty for Chauvin?

[–] robocat893 (16260) 4 years ago

I never doubted Chauvin would be found guilty especially when the jury reached a verdict so quickly.

[–] elcamino (15540) 4 years ago

his union will give him a time served/probation verdict.