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Isn't this just ignorance? The belief that something is true, as long as you don't discover that it is actually false?
Do you really believe that their existence hinges on tricking and trapping your mind?
Me? Yes. And also yes. But what's your point?
So you gonna answer my questions, or should we just conclude it's not something important to begin with?
A fair response. But what does it mean to "exist"? And why would they think "existing" requires the rest of us playing their "fantasy world"?
Define "exist" for me. Or to be more precise, what would taking away that right even look like?
What's your take on B1cKsurN's explanation (the one directly below)?
You mad, bro?
Your response is what we call "get rekt"
<blockquote>I was just wondering, how many people would accept it if someone's life depended on your life, if they were hooked to you and sucking off your food and air and you had to carry them around with you to do anything or get anywhere or they would die?</blockquote>
How much of this was the carrier's choice, and for how long?
<blockquote>I think you'd be willing to abort them in 10 minutes.</blockquote>
How soon during pregnancy? If late, why so long? Provide an answer that applies to everybody, not just an answer that most others are hoping to exploit and piggyback off of.
Whoa, I agree, but ease off the hate a bit more.
Well, you asked. And THEIR answer, not mine.
Nothing healthy should ever be removed. Especially when motivated by what could be nothing more than intense peer pressure, or a belief in something that probably doesn't exist (brain in wrong body), an existential crisis, and especially a social construct.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch your point. Can you describe it in more detail?
Already made a topic about this. Many are okay with Page just minding his/her own business, but others are accusing him/her of normalizing and advocating cutting off one's own breasts, among other things we shouldn't be normalizing.
Nah. No minority can do any wrong.
Thanks for the links, but do you mind summarizing them for me?
<blockquote>Something that we DO know at this point is that your sexual organs may not match your brain and who you are, everything that makes you YOU is your brain. If you were just a head in a jar (like in Futurama) would you no longer be a man? I would still be a woman as a head in a jar because my brain doesn't need boobs to still be a female. Am I explaining this okay?</blockquote>
No, what makes your sex is not your brain, it's your genetics. If you were a head in a jar, you'd still be woman, not because of your brain, but because of your genetics. Just like Ellen Page is still a woman, no matter what state her brain is in, or what she does to her body.
If you were to ask a heterosexual man what he's attracted to, he will not say it's a person with the brain/mind of a woman. Neither will a lesbian who is not bisexual.
In addition, what you just said about all brains being unique, and that there are no boy/girl brains, makes it even more implausible that there can be such a thing as mismatched brains and bodies.
Thanks for providing the link, but it's also a little much to sit through. Are there any points in it that you want to single out for attention?
Does it explain the cause of gender dysphoria? I especially would like to know if it is caused by the state of the brain or the person's psychological state.
Anyways, I read the conclusion at the end.
<blockquote>Gender identity issues can be a life-long condition for those who find it too difficult to deal with directly. Each life stage presents new dilemmas and decisions in relation to this core issue. In general it can be said that the more the individual struggles to rid themselves of gender dysphoria by increasing social and physical investments in their assigned sex, the greater the generalized anxiety and the harder it becomes to restart life sexually reassigned. For those individuals who, despite all obstacles, can transition to a new gender role, it has been shown that gender transition that includes psychotherapy, hormonal therapy and--in most cases--gender reassignment surgery, significantly reduce and eventually eliminates the anxiety entirely.</blockquote>
The dilemma with this statement is that gender identity is a highly psychological, egocentric, and social concept, and is supposedly not directly caused or maintained by the brain or the body, but by the individual's feelings and experience. And such things can cause nigh-unchangeable effects to the mind that may never go away, just like grooming, existentialism and trauma.
This is further reinforced by the fact that the methods to combat gender dysphoria mentioned in the conclusion, <i>increasing social and physical investments in their assigned sex</i>, do NOT change the person's identity at all, since there are very few such things exclusive to any sex, just some more popular with one than the other.
My conclusion for the time being is that, feelings and gender identity are not truths, no matter how difficult to change, and especially when in dubious emotional states.
Thank you for providing the links. The second link is a little much to sit through, but if you don't mind summarizing it for me, I'd appreciate it. However, the other two are still mostly inconclusive, and don't provide more than what we all already know.
According to them, there are neurological characteristics that are predominantly present in males or females, and some of them are crossed. IE trans people have predominantly male characteristics in a female body, or female characteristics in a male body. But a few characteristics in the brain is not enough to conclude that they are genuinely male or female. Especially since not all of those traits actually change or motivate the person's behavior or sense of self.
There ARE feminine boys and tomboy girls. Their characteristics do not prove that they are genuinely what appears on the inside, and not what they are on the outside. Especially if we are to believe the many would-be trans people who outgrew their phases, and continued life as simply gay.
What science did Befus not consider when he made his latest argument?
And what's the "best way we have to determine truth"? Sorry if this question has already been answered.
Yeah, and THEY are the ones making things worse for everybody, including trans people themselves.
First of all, his point of view is not strictly religious. Saying so is being disingenuous.
And more importantly, the surgeon is getting paid a lot of money to destroy a perfectly healthy body while doing absolutely nothing to heal the unhealthy mind. In fact, history shows that doing so will only allow the mind to get even worse.
Peterson is correct.
You're gonna single out at least one thing in particular that made you arrive to what you said about this person?