MovieChat Forums > DeadMac1 > Replies
DeadMac1's Replies
<blockquote> Demi just sits at home and ages badly while someone else is out having all the fun. </blockquote>
This is true.
<blockquote> Demi is having all the fun while someone else sits at home and ages badly. </blockquote>
This also very much true.
Hence the paradox and a problem for the one who ages. That's why the Substance is not a workable product since it does not provide shared memories - but anyone can get carried away and get infatuated with it first - thinking about the second option. Just like how one can get carried away with drugs/alcohol/cigarettes and then repent later. That's human nature.
You still didn't get it. Sue (Margaret Qualley) <i>is</i> Elisabeth, also.
This is similar situation like 'The Prestige' where Hugh Jackman clones himself letting the original die; questioning whether the original doesn't happen to relish his achievement and simply sacrifices himself or is the clone, original?
<blockquote> The other girl has all the fun, while I sit at home, get no NEW memories, get no experiences, and start losing body parts while aging wildly...Yeah, great deal for me! </blockquote>
Nope! At that moment when she decides to use the substance she thought of turning young! And that happened; After she went unconscious, she woke up to find herself with a younger body.
<b>Point is that you can view it this way also - Original Demi Moore transformed but got bagged with one old stranger whom she will have to take care. And you can view it this way also - Original Demi Moore gave birth to some stranger. Paradoxically true it is and that's why this method will never work with anyone and hence the whole project failed - and that's what the movie is about. </b>
They both possess the same memories until up they split. So both are original versions of Demi Moore. Instead of "Stranger ripping out of my back", you could think of 'I come out of my old body as all new younger self'
When you come out of your own body all young, you obviously remember all the past memories, the latest humiliation and frustration and you see yourself in mirror in shock and then over-joyed. Its you!! And then you turn back and see your older body.
We see the movie from start from Demi Moore's perception and hence we as audience relate her as original. But both are originals because both share the same memories & skills they possess until they split. From Demi Moore's POV, she wanted to be reborn! And The Substance did that job...But it also brought along a burden she couldn’t foresee—a burden she underestimated, ultimately leading to chaos and loss of control.
Eventually, the manufacturers of The Substance would stop producing it, much like any other failed startup project that collapses when its flaws and consequences become evident (unless their goal was purely to witness the havoc it created for people).
You can also put it this way....If you're Demi Moore, would you care so much of coming out of your own body, as hot and young version of yourself which you desperately wanted?
The young version indeed have all the memories until they split.
So, infact both are original. It's just that the older version have to continue with her body. While the Demi Moore (who had turned old and fragile), now with younger body, got what she wanted and started to enjoy her life!
Both had to respect each other's existence, but practically, it cannot work out. And that's what the movie is about - The Susbtance's failure.
Here......some more salt for your wounds:
Crossed 320 Million Global Box office!
Hahaha....Butthurt hater going gaga over 'depth'!
Agree!
And the opening scene is still a facepalm situation for me. Stumbling upon the Xenomporph floating around the Nostromo remains discarding the fact that the Nostromo parts would have been speeding at thousands of kms/per second in all directions after that massive nuclear self-destruct explosion.
Btw, no Alien movies are bad. This one was just an average; a needless inclusion and essentially a remake of Alien: Resurrection (space station researching Xenomorphs, Intruders with a good robot arriving and an Alien baby expelled out of space). I watched it again, but wasn't that much of an entertainer and fell flat except the adrenaline Elevator shaft scene. The Alien baby design was lame and bringing out engineer's feature was a lame idea which they did just to tie up with Prometheus.
This move did nothing except raising appreciation for the Prequel series which tried to do something new and expanded the universe getting away from the over-played Xenomorphs.
They are not 'one'. And that's why the Substance supplier keeps insisting them to believe 'they are one'. But it can never work out. When two persons are infact different, how so hard they try, can't think of one and eventually would end up in differences in respecting each other.
I doubt the director wanted a 'hot' looking actress with 'sex appeal' that could distract the audience from the substance of the movie; instead, they likely opted for someone quirkier with good shape. After all it's not a Michael Bay movie. The beauty of the movie is that at no nude scene, one would think of ILF intention, and the viewers are still glued to the plot and visuals of the movie.
6.5/10
Nothing new. Just well executed; essentially a remake of Alien: Ressurection - almost the same plot: A Research Space Station researching/harvesting Alien Life ---> Intruders/Visitors arrive -----> a Good Android ------> Xenomorph outbreak ---> Acid falling on body parts scene ----> a Ladder Chase scene ------> Birth of an Alien Hybrid Baby -----> Alien Baby expelled out of space.
Yes, she would face adverse effect if she didn't switch. She was wisely following the rules, given her grown-up & mature age, so we couldn't happen to see any adverse effect and the young version was still being reckless and didn't follow discipline.
The only way to 'not switch' was to terminate the younger version.
Relentlessly grotesque movie ever! To describe, it's one of the most artistically ugly movie ever made.
Absolutely great make-up, prosthetics, acting, cinematography & sound mixing.
We have to ignore any scientific logic here, of course, and view the movie purely as out-and-out paranormal horror and admire its art & execution.
After the movie, you need to see yourself in the mirror! I did, and it gave me a strange sense of ugliness... god knows why!!. Did this happen only to me?
After recently watching Alien: Covenant again after the release of Romulus which raised my appreciation for Covenant even more, it goes like this:
Alien
Aliens
Alien: Covenant
Prometheus
Alien: Romulus
Alien: Resurrection
Alien3
The recording simply speeded-up the process.
As detectives, someday, Batman & Gordon would have eventually found out about the Rat with evidence - This is what we have to believe and what Riddler believed.
Btw, major contribution of solving the case was done by Catwoman only. She discovered the dead body of Annika, she found out that it was Kenzie who killed her, she was the one who found and captured Kenzie and finally she only discovered the voice message.
Batman and Gordon just happens to flow through the plot alongside. Well, this is I'd say a characteristic of Film-Noir.
No....so far two only.
The 2nd & 3rd of your list is the same. Yes, personally, I also disliked how the black goo behaved when dropped, like a swarm of micro-insects instead of behaving downright like a mutant.
The Spores again were released by the fungus mutated by the remnant black goo that leaked out of the crashed spaceship.
Z-01 is a mess because it gave birth to an Engineer!! Anyway, if Rook rightfully refined the original strains, then it was again the same black goo, the bio-weapon in Prometheus, recreated.
<blockquote> Precisely the first scene of Prometheus shows that the Engineers mixed the black gloo ( which never IS explained what the hell IS, because of the damn Damon Lindelof) with their own DNA To create the human race. </blockquote>
The Preface scene shows the Engineer drinking a different kind of Black goo (dark but multi-colored. <i> https://skinwalker.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/prometheus-analysis-part-vi-b-black-goo-what-could-it-be/ </i> ) designed to disintegrate the Engineer body and rebuilt the DNA into smaller organisms (aquatic life) - seed life.
The Black goo which we see being produced at LV_223 was a bio-weapon.
I know your IQ is a single digit number; calcium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate both are white powder, You'd still say...hey they both are the same chemical compounds because they're white!!
Btw, going by your logic, Rook didn't need Xenomorph to derive black goo. He could have derived from Humans themselves!
Do some math exercises daily, read newspapers & help your parents for whatever task they'd give - Might just paddle your frozen mental gears.
Covenant.
Romulus is also a good movie. Had some great thrills & concepts. It is like a sophisticated version of Alien: Resurrection. I think if Covenant is not getting a sequel, then this is the only chance to take forward what Scott attempted to do. Now, since the Corbelan crew are carrying Black Goo on their route to Yvaga, a sequel can further explore what covenant did, with different variation of Aliens & Alien Lifecycle.
I would rate 7/10 for it's thrills, cinematography, art direction, concepts (Ring Planet), acting by David Jonsson, body horror.
Whereas it had cliches like that of a character who turns against his fellow friends after getting controlled by the bad guy and then snaps out at the end to fight back the bad guy (Toy Story 3, The Avengers, IJ & the Temple of the Doom etc.), typical Elevator shaft & ladder chase (Hollow Man, Alien: Resurrection).
Whereas also had some 'not so good' areas such as out of the way rapid & quick growth of Aliens especially the hybrid baby which grew into a 10 ft. giant within not more than 5 minutes. Rook, 'the know it all' convenient contrivance character introduced by the writers just to have things which they wanted.
At the end of the day, in one line....this is a sophisticated version of Alien: Resurrection
<blockquote>Of course, xenomorphs were born because an Engineer was infected by a mollusk product of a pregnant woman infected by the black gloo, very logic and not convoluted at all </blockquote>
You are deliberately making it sound convoluted by simply using word infected instead of facehugged/impregnated and carrying a fertilized egg by a black goo mutated sperm wherever necessary; whereas its quite true to the Alien universe and the steps of the lifecycle.
Let's not continue on this. Readers who'd like to agree with you will agree with you and vice versa for me.
<blockquote> And what about the zombie with the Big head? And the scientists Who are afraid of some fossils but seconds after touch a eel made of Black gloo like if It is a cute cat? </blockquote>
The Zombie (Fifield) came in contact with the Black goo and mutated into something with predatory characteristics. That's what the Black goo was, a mutant with Protomorph DNA
Dr. Holloway was also infected but his exposure was very small and so his mutations were slow but before he could have mutated into a Zombie, he committed suicide by getting burned down by Vickers.
The geologist & the Biologist sensed a threat to their life after seeing the dead Alien corpse. And it was only the biologist who tried to tame the snake with hand movements which usually biologists do. The geologist didn't try to Pet the snake. He was afraid. Had HE tried to tame the snake....THEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOGICAL INCONSISTENCY. As a biologist, he was just curious like any other biologist and he was in a protective suit and wearing a helmet.