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you're right, watching it again you can see Monica hovering outside the store even before the assistant approaches Rachel, suggesting that she had been following her round the mall waiting for the opportunity.
That behaviour and is on the level of Steven King bullies, but hey, this is the sequel to Carrie
something that didn't make sense to me was that, when she's getting revenge on the Sloane at the beginning of everyone's "fantasy", Melanie acts like she thinks it's a hologram of Sloane, and then acts shocked when she realises it's real.
If she already knows that this is real, why is she doing this. Sloane can't see her reactions. Nor can anyone else. Her behaving like this and reacting like this seems to be done solely for the benefit of the viewing audience so that it's more of a surprise/twist later.
Also doesn't fit that, when they all first arrive, she's all super-confident and flirting with the cop/army guy, when everything behind her reasons for being there point to her being the opposite of that.
The biggest thing that ruined it for me was that he said the "yippee ki yay" line afterwards. The lines should have been swapped, and he should have said it before he pulled the trigger, with "say hi to your brother" being uttered after the explosion....ironically caused by the lines being swapped!
don't forget the possibly life altering injuries too.
maybe that's why they call it Ripley's Believe It Or Not
....the biggest thing, for me though, that made series 1 so great, was the display of inertia.
Dawn stays in what appears to be a loveless and incompatible relationship with Lee, despite the huge row and temporary break-up previous episode (and you can just imagine they break up and make up like that every couple of years when things get a bit too much).
Tim announces his resignation in a blaze of glory, only to change his mind and stay on.
It's a pity there's that weird "blood pressure" story with Brent. I'd have preferred it if he didn't fancy the extra responsibility, or moving to Swindon himself, or would miss the day-to-day office life, and so turned it down, keeping with the theme of inertia.
It was so great because it was so true to life. So many people who work in offices are so miserable in their jobs and their lives but are so used to the routine that they don't do anything about it and just carry on.
This is all undone in the 2nd series. Although Dawn and Lee stay together, they decide to emigrate and actually go through with it.
Tim charms and seduces the new girl, Rachael, and Gareth is made to look a prat in the process, which is completely at odds with everything we see in 1.
Furthermore, Dawn now appears to be developing romantic feelings for Tim which will manifest in the Christmas finale, but had been non-existent in series 1.
Brent himself is let go at the end, meaning he's got to do something else with his life.
That said, Tim does turn down the temporary promotion, keeping with the inertia mentioned earlier.
Brent doing the same would be the only thing I'd want to change about series 1.
The only other flaw was that it came out 3 years too late. By 2001, fly-on-the-wall documentaries/docusoaps were old hat and were being replaced by reality TV.
Other than that it's perfection.
when the journalist (played by Olivia Coleman, I think) is still in the room after he kicks out the people from those motivational speeches after they've just broken it to him that they wont be using him again.
"oh, you mean me as well?",
if that's not cringey enough, that awkward silence as she's waiting for the camera to be ready. Twice. Only lasts a few seconds but feels like an age because it's so uncomfortable for everyone involved. And watching.
I always used to take Brent's dislike of Neil to be jealousy because Neil's shown to be seemingly superior to Brent in every way - better looking, better dresser, more naturally funny, seems to have the respect of both branches, better dancer, even has a closer friendship with Finch, more confident and assertive, and certainly better at the job.
I say "used to" because I recently caught a bit of the episode where Brent's about to give his first (and only) motivational speech - when Neil finds out that Dawn will also be finishing early to accompany Brent to this gig, he starts talking about Dawn like she's not there when he's standing right in front of her, saying things like "so she's not needed here then, can we just let her go then". It was unbelievably rude and disrespectful to Dawn, and especially tactless given the redundancies that had recently happened. So actually Neil could be an arrogant d**k sometimes, and I can imagine that if he didn't approve of you (as he didn't of Brent) he would come across as condescending and belittling.
My guess is that it was a combination of the indignity, humiliation, rejection etc of being dismissed like that, and the fact that what he thought was the safety net of the motivational speeches gig had just fallen through - without either that or his job at Wernham Hogg, he had no identity or purpose.
actually it always annoys me that he says another of those lines to introduce his own idea (think it was "let's see if the cat laps it up) but then doesn't actually say whatever he was about to. Not sure if one of the louder ones suddenly starts talking about something else and it just gets sidetracked
my question is - had Valentine not overheard their bathroom discussion (and had Winthorpe not burned bridges with his gun toting stunt at their Christmas party), how were the Duke bros planning to put things right once the experiment was over? Even if they had managed to track down a now homeless Winthorpe and explain the situation to him, would he have come back and could he have looked any of his old associates in the eye again, especially Coleman?
And wouldn't Valentine now know too much to be cut loose and sent back to the streets?
Actually when he was caught in his old office planting the drugs, Randolph was on the brink of telling Winthorpe then before he ran off, in front of Valentine. I'd like to have seen how that would have played out, although Valentine always smelled a rat so at least he'd have now had an explanation as to what was going on.
actually I'd forgotten that Penelope was their niece - she therefore showed a lot of loyalty to Louis sticking by him even for the short time she did in the aftermath. Would have played neater to have her follow her family's wishes and instantly turn her back on him, but I guess that scene outside the prison is needed for him to meet Ophelia.
To answer your question, Todd and the other guys seemed to be trust fund babies so even if Duke&Duke going under left Penelope's entire family ruined, she'd have married in to money and been OK.
Actually I'm now wondering if the guy early on in Coming2America - when they make the brief link to Trading Places - is actually Penelope's son?
the Naked Gun sequels maybe - it's been many years since I've watched any of them, but from what I remember all 3 were of a pretty similar standard.
Gremlins 2 - if nothing else it's a self-aware sequel that isn't afraid to poke fun at itself
22 Jump Street for the same reasons
generally there's very few sequels that work. Even fewer in comedy
thanks for the replies. Maybe they were leaving it up to the viewer to decide how long Ted and Woogie had been friends, how they'd met etc.
Given that, as you say, he only starts with the "love-blisters" upon hearing that Mary's a fox, maybe he was over her until then. And even then he wasn't planning on travelling down with Ted, he only headed down south when Ted was imprisoned, and having travelled that far it made sense to carry on to Miami with him.
It is some co-incidence if Ted and Woogie did randomly become friends....then again given that they're both Mary's type, they'd have maybe had similar personalities and things in common and so hit it off.
I do love the little clues that are thrown out too as the story progresses - like how Dom already knows the "zipper" story, and when Ted questions how, says he was only 2 towns over - as in, he'd have gone to a different but still nearby high school, like Barrington High.
fair point. Maybe he'd only been resident in Port Royal for a short time before the "present" events of the film take place. It wasn't exactly a long courtship in those days. He did seem close to Gov. Swan but as others have pointed out her father was probably as keen to match her up with Norrington as Norrington was to be with her.
This whole question could easily have been avoided if they'd just not had Norrington in that opening scene - there really was no need for him or Gibbs to be there.
the OP issue wasn't so much the age gap as the fact that he'd known her as a child.
If Norrington had only met Elizabeth when she was a young adult and he was 10 years or whatever older, it wouldn't have been weird. It's the fact that he's known her since she was a child when he was already an adult that makes it seem highly inappropriate to me as well. I'm just glad someone else has mentioned this!
actually I thought Stranger Tides and Salzarr's Revenge/Dead Men Tell No Tales were far better than 2 & 3, although other posters on this board seem to disagree.
For me, 2 & 3 shouldn't have been made and On Stranger Tides should have been the first sequel (but without Barbosa). Will and Elizabeth's story (and that of everyone connected to them, including Norrington) was wrapped up nicely at the end of the Black Pearl, and any follow up was just going to ruin the happy ending (which it did).
Was better to just start with a fresh story with only Jack and the surviving members of his crew involved.
I can only assume the reasoning was that they thought the audience would want to see as many of the cast of the first one again as possible, hence them bringing back the people already mentioned, and even Mackenzie Crook's character too.
Instead it just weighted the story down and many of the previously fresh characters now just seemed tired.
In short, I actually think the sequels got better as they went along, even if none of them captured the magic of the first one
because he had to get it on
and I bet Neil didn't give a s**t who gave him the shirt
possibly telling him he's not normal and asking what kind of person he is