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Teri was attacked at night. Why do you keep questioning something that's not debatable?
"That night, Ginny Field, Paul Holt, Ted and the rest of the Counselors decide to go into town for one last party at Casino Bar. Mark, Vicky, Terry and Scott decide to stay back at the camp"
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As you said, Teri is attacked well before she is shown in the shack. Jason could've had her restrained at some point. Why did Teri have such a insignificant wound compared to the others? If Teri was immediately killed why didn't Jason bring bring Ralph or Scott's corpse to shack when they were killed before her?
I never insisted that that Chris and Paul were kidnapped. Yet the movies gives evidence for it. The problem is you won't admit that Teri was killed at night or Vera was killed farther than few feet when the movies without question prove that you are wrong. No way are you are going to accept any kind of opened ended scenarios.
He attacked her during the day? No, it was obviously at night.
He didn't restrain her? We see her reaction and then next we seen her in Jason's shack what happened in between in, is anyone's guess.
Trolling you? Get real. Everything I've mentioned is ambiguous in these movies and open to debate. If anyone is trolling it's you. You mentioned Vera getting killed from a few feet away and Teri getting attacked during the day neither are debatable just blatantly false.
Yes, superficial. Jason had brutal murders and yet Teri was seen in the shack with only a small blood stain on her head that would be consistent that Jason knocked her out just as he had done with Paul.
Paul is presumed missing consistent with being kidnapped.
Chris blacked out while Jason persued her. No doubt he caught her. What is in question is what happened. Did Jason take Chris to his shack where she later escaped?
Jason shot Vera from only a few feet? No way. Look how long it takes the spear to reach her after he shoots. That shot had to be least 30 feet.
The previous movies show otherwise:
In part 2 Jason brought Teri to his shack in the woods. She only appeared to have a superficial wound as if Jason had intended to just knock her out. Paul is never found. Part 3 there is a backstory with Jason capturing Chris and her having no recollection of escaping.
Part 3 Jason kills Vera by shooting from a fair distance with a speargun.
Steve is long gone before the cop or the kitchen scene. He had no clue that Ralph might be heading towards camp. If Steve did he would've warned the group instead he noted about getting the archery range in order etc.
Anything could've happened offscreen. However, there is no evidence that Steve mentioned anything about Ralph. When the motorcycle cop asked the counselors about Ralph it was all news to them.
You're welcome. Anyhow, Steve never mentions Ralph. Once he leaves the next time we see him he is at the diner. It's only at that point when he says has to get back to camp.
Two problems with your analysis.
First, Steve had no knowledge about Crazy Ralph at Crystal lake. The motorcycle cop stopped and gave the warning after Steve left for town.
Second, Annie's body would've been found adjacent to the other victims, it was in Pamela's jeep which was parked in front of one of the cabins.
My guess is they knew Steve and they were just checking why he didn't come back for his jeep. There was only one police car so they probably just discovered the scene.
Pamela was clearly enraged so her physical strength likewise would've been greatly increased.
A new version replaced him named Tom Green. Now the question us where is the new version for Tom Green?
Julie's friends didn't make any decison. They used peer pressure to influence her decision.
I disagree. It is more important for friends to share concerns than to automatically be supportive. This movie made Randy the good guy so it had Julie's friends fall to a superficial reason so the audience would root for him.
In actuality, Julie's friends would had good reason to share their concerns. Randy was a punk but the movie glossed over it.
1. No one besides Rocky every went the distance with Apollo who was also 48-0 at the rematch. (Same could be said of Lang whose record was either 28-0 or 57-0 depending on the source.)
2. In Rocky Balboa, a sportscaster refers to Apollo as the greater fighter of all time. Lang is never heard from again.(Opinions are subjective. If the sportscaster had said Joe Frazier then what? Lang not being mention again is purely a continuity issue. All Lang had to do was work on his cardio and no doubt he would've reclaimed the title.)
3. Rocky himself states that Apollo was the perfect fighter and that only time beat him.(What else is he going to say to Creed's son? Besides Rocky was guilt ridden for not throwing the towel.)
4. Rocky taunts Lang during his rematch during what round 3? Rocky never does this with Creed during any of their bouts. It also took Rocky 15 rounds to beat Apollo, Lang is beat in 3.(Rocky taunted Creed in both fights. When an undertrained Rocky lasted 15 rounds against against a prime Creed but gets smashed by Lang in 2 rounds you overlook, why? The reason Rocky defeated Lang quicker is because Lang lacked the cardio and defense, he was gassed out in one round. Lang didn't know how to protect himself. Still, Rocky barely made out of the 2nd round.
5. Rocky was exhausted at the end of his match with Lang. During his matches with Apollo he is hospitalized after the fights.
(You seriously think Rocky didn't go to hospital after his 2nd fight with Lang?)
6. Rocky beats Lang under the tutelage of Apollo(True but Apollo's style failed badly in the 2nd round. Apollo is not going recover from that kind of pounding. Rocky barely won with his hard head, punching power and utilizing Creed's technique. )
7. Rocky states in Creed that during their 3rd fight, at the end of Rocky 3, that Apollo won. (Again what else is he going to say to Creed's son? The fight meant nothing but friendship and gratitude.)
Apollo was much better fighter? No way. Prime Apollo tried his best for 15 rounds to finish Balboa, he failed. Clubber KO'd Rocky in 2 rounds.
It is not my opinion. Both Mickey and Creed clearly stated the dangers of Lang. Creed said: You think I was tough? This chump will kill you! Mickey said: You can't win Rock. This guy will kill you to death inside of 3 rounds!
It's not my opinion that Rocky was grossly undertrained for the 2nd Creed fight it was shown and explicitly stated. Mickey was going to quit traning Rocky, called him a bum because Rocky was so unmotivated. Mickey said: You're nowhere near in shape. For a 45 minute fight, you gotta train hard for 45000 minutes, 45000! That's ten weeks, that's ten hours a day ya listenin'? and you ain't even trained one!
No, Rocky lost his drive far worse in part 2. Remember, Mickey called Rocky a bum and was ready give up on him. Mickey understood that Lang was even more dangerous than Creed. Even Apollo acknowledged that that he said: "You think I was tough? This chump will kill you!"
You can't see Creed losing to Lang? Sure, when you conviently ignore the logic in the movie that suggests otherwise. Go ahead argue against the points I mentioned but don't just state an opinion.
Creed wasn't overcome by emotion. He was primed and ready and pounded Rocky. Remember after the first round Duke asked if the switching bothered him and said he should've had him, and he nearly did. Creed only made a mistake during the last round when he didn't avoid Rocky to win on points. Fact was, Creed wasn't able to KO a Rocky who was worried about his wife and barely trained.
An adequately trained Rocky or Lang will defeat Creed.
Creed who is a superior fighter yet he is 'baited' by a fighter who is less skilled? Nonsense.
Like I said if Rocky was able to overwhelm a prime Creed and land big punches then so could the bigger, stronger Lang. Rocky used Creed's style to perfection until the 2nd rd when Lang went on the offensive then it failed miserably. Lang was too strong. Rocky barely survived getting KO'd and you know the punishment he can withstand. Creed almost got KO'd by one punch from Rocky. Lang had tremendous durability. Remember Lang was too tired to protect himself and Rocky pummeled him relentlessly. Rocky collapsed from pure exhaustion from landing punches to knock Lang out. Creed lacked the durability and strength so I see him getting beat by Lang. Remember Mickey feared a match against Lang because he knew how dangerous he was even compared to a prime Creed.
Rocky was able to catch and land heavy punches on a prime Apollo so would Clubber. Sure, Apollo would've won the fight if he didn't let his pride get in the way but that was against a Balboa who spent most of time worrying about his wife and hardly trained for the fight. If Rocky had a full cycle of training Apollo is certainly KO'd easier and earlier.
Clubber climbed the heavyweight ranks and dominated all types of fighters. He punched harder than Rocky and was very durable. Look at the shots he took from Rocky. Rocky leveled Apollo with a single punch in their first fight.
I can't see how Apollo could win against Lang.