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The woman being black or Q being gay had 0 effect on the plot and did not go against established Bond tropes. Which is why you shouldn't complain about them.
Now if they make Bond non-binary or Asian or fat, that would be twisting the character to the point of non-recognition.
The OP is right. You all should learn to pick your fights.
I literally just said I could only keep up with it because I read the book. And you had to reply to me just to tell me you "had no problem keeping up".
Well if you boil the movie down to "patriarch of good family is murdered by evil family, but the son escapes and joins the locals", then that's basically Lion King. But who wants to come away from a movie thinking "ok it's good guys vs bad guys and I'm so smart for getting it"?
imax. The sensory experience did not compensate for an incoherent plot.
New movies get spammed with 10/10 by their marketing teams. And when it comes to directors like Villeneuve or Nolan, there are legions of pretentious fans who give it a high rating because they "get it".
Give it a few months until the marketing machinery dies down and the rating will come down to a 7.0-7.5.
I feel I only got it because I read the book. My partner who hasn't couldn't keep up with what was going on. And I couldn't blame her. Just take a look at the amount of terminologies thrown about that the movie expects you to keep up with.
Kwisatz Haderach
Bene Gesserit
Harkonnen
Atreides
Sardaukar
Shai-hulud
Lisan-al gaib
And that's without even getting into the names of the characters.
I felt this too. For an audience that's been on an MCU diet for over ten years, the prodding fight sequences felt jarring in an otherwise sleek production. And don't @ me saying it was supposed to look realistic. You can have realistic without being clumsy. Look at the Mission Impossible movies, or even the first Bourne movie from 20 years ago.
4. How is Madeleine the love interest of the world's greatest spy, AND the doctor of the world's biggest terrorist, both of whom also happen to be brothers?
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>Be Madeleine Swann
>Survive murder attempt during childhood
>Has baby with guy who shot her dad
>Is therapist to guy who poisoned her dad
>Both guys are brothers
>Killer from childhood now uses her to kill both
>hfw
Honestly, I was only seeking answers within the framework of the movie. You used whataboutism by bringing in X-men and Shining. The argument becomes unending then because either of us can cite any number of movies that support our respective arguments.
You order noodles at a restaurant.
You are served spaghetti.
You have zero appetite for spaghetti today.
Because you spent the whole day craving noodles, and you paid money for noodles.
Therefore you are angry at the spaghetti in front of you.
Hope you understand.
Bro Xavier's telepathic powers are more or less consistent and always a part of his character. They don't simply disappear for a few stories and then resurface as a deus-ex-machina.
Xavier's telepathy is the wrong analogy. A better analogy is Electro deciding inexplicably not to use his electric powers and instead fighting Spiderman with his fists.
Gabriel's electro-powers are only ever used in the movie to deliver exposition to the viewers, like with the phone or the radio. He'd rather have a fist fight with Kekoa and almost get shot at the police station, when he can just electrocute everyone to death.
The writers give Gabriel such a big superpower, and then don't even use it for the entire the movie. It's like Superman not flying for an entire movie.
I can live with all the inconsistent stuff happening to Madison. Like others have said, it's just Gabriel doing mind tricks and most of it is not real. The superhuman strength and fighting can also be explained away with the power of the psyche and the whole 'moms lifting cars off their kids' trope. The couch was probably said to be returning to its original shape moments after someone sat on it.
All this I'm sorta ok with. But it still counts against the movie that it relies on the patience and goodwill of the viewer to explain away all its plot holes.
What I cannot digest is all the electric stuff. Can Gabriel/Madison control electricity? Because he could have pulled an Electro and just electrocuted everyone to death in the police station and the hospital, instead of having a long drawn out fight. But the writers have used the electricity just to give exposition and move the story forward. Like calling the cop on his phone (who gave Gabriel his number?) or announcing itself on the radio.
How did the consciousness know and dial Kekoa's phone number from an untraceable line?
Gabriel is referred to as a male by his mother and his doctor. There is no way he was female.
The movie should have billed itself as a horror comedy and not a conventional horror movie. People hate it not because they don't know how to have fun, but because they were misled by the trailer and the marketing.
It's like if at a restaurant, I order noodles. But instead they serve me spaghetti. I don't hate spaghetti but I'm not going to enjoy this spaghetti. Because I have spent all day looking forward to a bowl of noodles, and I have paid for a bowl of noodles.
It's the same here. If the movie is so unapologetically camp, it shouldn't have tricked paying customers by hiding this from them.
You're not the only one. Jason Statham loved it so much that he does a cameo in F9 just so he can copy this scene :p
It's a dark buddy-cop movie, in that its major appeal is the chemistry between the 2 male leads and the bickering between their opposite personalities. Like Lethal Weapon minus the comedy. Which is not a bad thing, I enjoyed it. Although there were a plot holes that bothered me.
The movie was still a variation of the tired 'Jews hunting Nazis' trope.
The writers probably thought Helen being a persecuted Jew and Ian a Nazi was too cliche.
So big brain time - let's make Helen's dad a persecuted Nazi resistor and Ian a Nazi informant. Now that is totally different and completely new!
The movie has made a point to show his incremental improvements over his repeated attempts. Trying and failing over and over until winning is a recurrent theme, so they would have definitely shown it for the movie's final Boss fight.
Especially considering the actual end boss Mel Gibson who comes right after, gets steamrolled in seconds.