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Yeah, you're probably right about Snoke. They'll most likely just move on. (Though if ep. 9 does have a flashback scene showing Snoke as an unassuming background character...you heard it here first. Lol.)
"Janitor" for lack of a better term. I just meant that for Snoke to be having so much influence on Ben Solo while the boy is training at Luke Skywalker's Jedi Ranch, it makes sense that he would be an unassuming background character. Like a groundskeeper.
The best analogy I can come up with is this. What if at the end of the Harry Potter series, the groundskeeper Argus Filch revealed himself to be a Death-Eater. What if his ragged appearance, his witless oafishness, and his alleged inability to use magic was a just a deceptive smokescreen. And all this time he had been quietly recruiting students to Voldemort's cause. Dumbledore and the other wise adults pay him no mind because...cause it's just dumb old Argus.
I get tons of weird ass thoughts on movies that pop randomly. I guess that's why I just recently signed-on to this site. Gotta have an outlet I suppose.
Fair enough. LoL. No worries.
I'm a hopeless romantic, so I really want/hope Vision to have genuine real feelings for Wanda. The whole Ultron-base-affection idea just popped into my head the other night. You ever have those random thoughts you just gotta share? LoL. Most of my useless thoughts revolve around movies.
I see the flipping-of-the-script a tad differently than you. To me, the henchman kills the master after watching the hero be tortured...but instead of turning back to the light, he goes even darker. I loved his "seduction" of Rey when he's begging her to join him. He's playing on her emotions so much, manipulating her like a sex-predator speaks to a child. Saying things like "You're nothing. You have no place in this story. Your parents didn't care about you....but I do." Gives me the creeps. But it was a pretty awesome demonstration of how a Dark-side user might "seduce" someone to the dark side. Almost worked. Rey seemed to teeter a little. (Honestly, I think it would've been really bad-ass if she HAD joined him in the Dark side. Imagine how difficult if would be for Poe, Finn, and company to fight two of the strongest force users to save the galaxy in the 9th movie. But oh well, didn't happen that way.) The twist to me was that Kylo Ren (god I hate that name) fulfilled Darth Vader's dream of overthrowing his master to become Numero Uno in the Galaxy. Despite the nonsensical name, Kylo Ren is my favorite new character from these movies.
Side thought: I got to thinking about Snoke's origin. I wonder if Snoke was somehow involved with Luke and his Training Temple. Or possibly a sleeper-student who joined Luke's new generation of Jedi but somehow clouded his own Dark side. I don't know. Just thinking out loud. Would like to see more flashbacks of Luke's training temple, and of his students, AND who are these former students who became the Knights of Ren? And the wtf are the Knights of Ren? Honestly, I could care less about Snoke's backstory. But this Knights of Ren thing is bugging me.
If he does use "mystery boxes" for the conclusion of a trilogy, well, okay. I'll like it or I won't. There'll be another movie to see the following week. I'll live. Not sure how that makes me "naive."
Hahaha. That was great.
That's what I thought too. JJ Abrams can't rely on "mystery boxes" to conclude the story. Hopefully he'll take the story in a direction we haven't seen yet. I think the throne room scene in TLJ was great for more reasons than just the badass Praetorian Guard fight. It flipped the script of the ROTJ throne room scene. Vader was always toying with the idea of overthrowing the Emperor but doesn't (until Luke's in peril). The Emperor even taunted Luke "Strike me down and your journey to the Dark Side will be complete!" Blah, blah, blah. So in the mist of TLJ throne scene, Kylo Ren actually does what Vader wouldn't. Kylo kills Snoke, but this is not the key to his redemption. It's the Emperor's promise. Ben Solo's journey to the Dark Side is now complete. The saddens Rey because for a few moments they were completely in balance. I'd assume that Kylo Ren is gonna more powerful in episode 9, since he's now the defacto Vader/Emperor now of this story. I'm excited to see what comes next.
And Sesame Street terms it is.
It's about you being outraged and offended that a character would [i]dare[/i] bring up the fact that slaves were part-and-parcel in the construction of the Washington Monument.
They didn't build the whole thing by themselves. But they worked on parts of it. They were still Humans owned by other Humans. Still forced to work against their will.
Dismissing *any* part of their brutal existence as "grunt work" belittles the entire struggle of their reality. Your whole post is a whiny bellyache about people who honor history by remembering the facts.
Nothing wrong whatsoever with people acknowledging historical truths. Doesn't make them "stupid" or "dumb" as you called them. Makes them inquisitive and well-informed. Is it not more disrespectful to pretend those associations don't exist? You want everyone to make-believe our history of slavery has zero impact on today's socio-economic environment. Why would you want to do that? Where's the disconnect?
The number of people who died during the construction of the Great Wall of China numbered in the hundreds of thousands. And many of them are buried in and under the wall itself. Ten million people visit the Great Wall every year. It's an amazing architectural achievement and something that is rightly admired and valued historically. But people associate the fact that 400,000 convicts and soldiers died building it. Because it happened. Doesn't change the appreciation people have for it.
Your post says more about your backward-ideology than the movie says about slavery. Hop off your Nationalist high horse and learn something new. Try doing two things at the same time! Appreciate history, but reflect on it in an unbiased way!
See it from the character's POV. She's black, at least in part, and perhaps that has some bearing on how she perceives the world. You think?
Did that make sense? Could you follow okay? If that was too difficult to comprehend, I could rephrase it in Sesame Street terms.
I noticed that.
It's the word "slaves" that interest me.
Do you really think it mattered to those enslaved if you renamed their forced servitude as "grunt work"?
Because they were only forced to work on the foundations of the Washington Monument doesn't make them any less Slaves.
[quote]I'll concede slaves were involved in grunt work during the first phase, but[/quote]
...that's what the Michelle character was saying.
[quote]but the issue at hand is the ridiculous statement that "slaves built the monument". That's simply not true in any sense of accuracy.[/quote]
...except it IS accurate. You just said it was.
EDIT---I give up on the 'quote' crap.
This.
We learn that Michelle's character is well-read, informed, and seeks knowledge outside convention. The Wikipedia article clearly distinguishes between the two processes of building the monument. The first phase more than likely using slaves---"However, Holland's views are valid for the first phase (1848–54) because much of its construction only required unskilled manual labor, assisted only by a steam engine to lift the stones because many weighed several tons each." If the word "wikipedia" is not creditable enough for you, possibly the historical citations at the end of each paragraph will be. Luckily the information provided here is from a reputable science journal. It's not about "negative spin". It's about a character who recognizes a historical cost and chooses not to glorify it on a personal level.
I think it could be interesting to explore how Finn ultimately feels about Rose after she does that. Does he feel relieved that he's alive, or does he resent her for stepping on his moment. I don't know but it might be a cool character thing to explore.
Lol
I feel like this is what Alec Guinness was warning about when he allegedly signed an autograph for a kid on the condition he never watch Star Wars again. 50-year-old men consumed by a fantasy.