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Stop riding the PC liberal world's dick and stop standing on the moral high ground. Or don't, I don't give a shit anymore.
Lol, I guess you don't know about the Star Wars Extended Universe? Or even all the now-Disney-canon material from Star Wars. Star Wars has a massive backlog of material to be used for films. Sure not as much as Marvel has in total. But look at what Marvel does with Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy. Its all characters and stories that are NOT popular with general audiences. Marvel uses like 10% of its entire material. Star Wars like 1%.
Its not how much material each franchise has, its how it uses it.
At no point in my life did I ever care about a film having a woman director, a female lead, a black camera man, an asian actress, etc. or how "diverse" a cast/crew/story is.
I care if it was a good film or story.
At no point in my life did I care if the main character was a female or male, black or white or whatever, gay or straight or whatever.
The problem with the leadership at Disney Lucas is they do care about those things. I'd rather have "The Best Star Wars ever made" rather than "First Star Wars film with a <insert gender or sexuality or ethnic group".
They can't seem to merge those two because they focus too much on the second one.
Go make the best damn Star Wars film ever, and if it has a transgender black droid who identifies as an Ewok - I will celebrate it. Not because of the SJW tags it covers, because it's a good film.
How does Marvel have a larger universe? Star Wars literally takes place in a entire galaxy. Countless planets with each planet their own characters, stories and lore. The universe is literally infinite! The creators are just talentless and cannot find a way to make up something that is interesting. I'm reading Star Wars books that are 10000 times better than the new movies. Just make a movie about those!
Sure it exists, but its a very small minority. The only fatigue people have now is bad movie fatigue. If all the new SW movies were awesome and amazing, nobody would get tired of them. Look at Marvel. They keep producing quality, people keep seeing them.
What? You are not making any sense.
those are great quotes. I don't get your point. You are quoting lines from a comedy movie. How does this prove anything? Guardians of the Galaxy is amazing.
You are right about alot of male directors making dogshit blockbusters. But like I said, they shouldn't be rewarded either (and most of them aren't)
I was born in 1995. Your point?
Not among the fans. I have been a SW fan my entire life and I would never get tired of it.
Its bad characters. Thats what it is. Its boring, stupid shit. Lets get her fired for making dogshit movies. Yes. SJW or not. TLJ was awfull in every way. I could write such a long post about it (I have in the past) but I'm tired of debating this. Solo was just 'meh'. The quality of these movies are going downhill and someone should be responsible. The massive fan backlash is not just because SJW. Its because the movie just suck. SJW aspect is what makes it worse.
Except that his conspiracy is that all the OT fans hate it because they are KKK members lol. That sounds like a 'big conspiracy' to me.
you thought ''The only reason the OT-only fans hate these movies is because they are racist members of the KKK'' were good points and clear reasoning? lol.
He has a straight relationship yes. Negasonic Teenage Warhead doesn't. She has a lesbian relationship with a asian chick. Deadpool being straight is probably because his character in the comics is. I personally didn't really care for Lando's pansexuality. I just think its a bit forced but I dont care. I think the droid was annoying. Wanting equal rights. Not because I am opposed of equal rights, but the whole thing didn't make sense. As far as I know, the droids in Star Wars have never had the level of self consciousness that living beings have. they are literally build and created to do shit for others. Not 'enslaved' or anything. It just didn't make sense to me.
I can list SJW stuff, sure.
- Lack of character development of Rey. Shes so super duper good at everything she does. She flies the Falcon better than Han, she fights with a lightsaber better than Luke. She is never tempted by the Darkside (even though she has EVERY reason to atleast be drawn to it). She should have take the offer of Kylo to join him, but no, shes just sooo pure hearted. Ya can't have evil women now can you?
- Holdo. Her who attitude, being condescending to Poe because he is a muscular man with a temper. Can't have manly men now can we? He needs to shut up and listen to a woman! Not that she is going to tell him anything about her plans, because men don't need to earn someone's trust or doubt women. Just take her word for it, because she is a woman and she knows best.
- Rose Tico. Where do I begin with this. Its so much. Shes useless, annoying. But her biggest offence is the 'saving Finn' moment. They completely fucked up the Finn-Rey romance or even the Finn-Poe romance.
It all comes down to poorly written characters. The SJW aspect are the comments made behind the scenes that show WHY they are so badly written. The things I hate about these characters aren't things I made up. It literally said by directors, writers, producers etc.
''The SJW thing is the movies, isnt that bad. I dont see characters and instantly think "only there to please the asian market" of "that onyl happened becaus eit was a woman/man". For Solo : A Star Wars Story, I agree. It wasn't that bad.
For The Last Jedi, I disagree. The SJW stuff in TLJ was so woven into the story that it made the whole thing horrible for me. If it didn't for you, thats fine. But I know I am not alone in this.
Like I said, I am not opposed to black characters, gay characters or whatever. I just want well written characters. Lando being black is great, Its fine. I like Billy Dee Williams and I like Donald Glover. They acted great and their story arc was great.
You can have an all black cast, and all gay cast, all female cast. I don't care. I just want the movie to be good. The all black cast worked great for Black Panther. Where is the massive outrage for that? Why is nobody boycotting that? Right, because the movie is great. They even make 2 anti-white male jokes in Black Panther. I didn't really like those, but hey I didn't get offended because its just 2 jokes.
I just really want to drive the point home that its the forced SJW stuff and horrible stories and characters that destroy Star Wars. Social Justice can be done in clever ways. Great example, Deadpool 2. Features plenty of gay stuff, jokes and non-jokes. Again, no outrage. Funny isn't it?
100 % agreed on your assessment.
Well my argument was that its not the majority. The ''nobody is trolling'' is a overreaction to make a point. The trolling people are a minority and always have been. The 'trolling alt-right' conspiracy is stupid. Sure there are stupid trolls saying bullshit about pan-sexuality and gay dudes. I have seen maybe 2 thread about it. Most of it is genuine arguments though. Its shit that there are trolls, because they make it hard for us. People would just point at the trolls and be like ''SEE, THEY ARE ALL TROLLS"
Your second point, I agree with. Kathleen Kennedy shouldn't be fired because she's a woman. She should be fired because, in my eyes, she is mistreating the franchise and running it into the ground. If she is replaced by another woman, thats fine with me. As long as the replacement is a actual fan of Star Wars and doesn't make the same mistakes as Kennedy.
As for death treats, thats horrible. But again, thats just a small percentage of people doing that. You have horrible people on both sides. Guilty by association should never be a valid argument.
I get that you find the anti-SJW agenda annoying. But we find the SJW-agenda annoying.
If that agenda just goes away, we could all enjoy Star Wars again (probably not, because the prequels have shown you can never REALLY satisfy anyone, but I can only dream).
''Star wars is not now, nor has it ever been perfect.'' I agree 100%. But I love it non the less. Just not TFA and TLJ and Solo (even though Solo ain't bad). Rogue One is stellar and I love that movie.
That video you linked is good. I liked it.
''That's a very extreme perspective tainted with subjective opinion and I find it hard to take seriously.'''
I dunno man, when Kathleen Kennedy (head of Lucasfilm) says that the Force is female and that her first priority was to make the Lucasfilm Story Group be majority female, it does kinda make sense.
Its nothing subjective, thats the funny part. ALL these things have been confirmed by directors, producers, writers. Its the team behind Lucasfilm that says they are focused on these points.
Disagreed. Rogue One is easily the best of the Disney Star Wars movies. Just those 20 minutes at the end are better than all of the other movies.
All those points don't interfere with the quality of the movies. The points made here, are that Lucasfilm ONLY focuses on these issues and fails to focus on making a genuine good movie.
The only thing that could have been annoying is Leia being condescending to the males. But she is a princess. People of high standing are always condescending. In here eyes, Han, Luke and everyone else is just beneath her. So nobody cared about her being this way because it made sense.
Yea, she is a strong character. But nobody here hates strong female characters. For the 100000th time, we are all fans of Alien, Terminator, Jurassic Park.
We care about GOOD character that are well written.
The race thing could have been awfull, but they cast a great actor and gave him a great role. So again nobody cared.
There is nothing wrong with having a diverse cast. We just want good stories and good movies.