MovieChat Forums > Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) Discussion > The real problem with SW explained.

The real problem with SW explained.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXuWJsMQcVc

This guy hits the nail on its head. Finish the whole video before you make a judgment. Basically he says that Lucasfilm destroyed characters people care about, brought in race, gender, politics and sex. By doing that, Lucasfilm eliminated its fans and the creator of this video rightly asks the question : Who is this movie for? He also dismisses the 'Star Wars fatique' bullshit people trow around.

reply

[deleted]

>Wants the world to be more inclusive.
>Makes homophobic statements. In the same paragraph.

>Complains about complaining.
>Moans about moaning.

>Calls everyone incels.
>Has clearly never felt the warm embrace of a woman (save for maybe the odd sympathy hug).

SammyJackson I am tired of you spamming these boards with your hate filled, whiny, hypocritical bullshit.

Please do us all a favour and just go outside for a while. Go out and get some fresh air, maybe find yourself a nice girl. Star Wars will do just fine without your incessant mewling on these boards.

reply

[deleted]

Oh goody, the Ignore button still exists. Goodbye, Sammy, you CUNT.

reply

Very nice, that's the douchebag that accused ME of being a troll, and ignored me - how ironic.

reply

[deleted]

I have also grown tired of Sammys bs. insufferable.

reply

[deleted]

Anyone who uses insults like Cup Cake or the overuse of Incels has completly lost all validity in anything they say.

reply

[deleted]

The only hate filled rants are all coming from you.

I said you are insufferable. That's not hate filled.

I've already wasted too much energy on you. I'm done

reply

[deleted]

I throw a rose into the arena for you, Arghhhh.

reply

Ignore this stupid troll, he most def some janitor at Lucasfilm trying to get ahead in life :D

reply

There is so much wrong with your statement. Guess you didn't watch the video.
Why are you so thick headed? You and me, we have been in constant discussion the whole time. ALL of your arguments have been debunked several times in multiple threads. BUT YOU JUST WON'T GET IT.
Why? Why do you feel you have to go on this moral crusade ? Did you get bullied?

reply

[deleted]

Yes. All of them. All of your points have been debunked.

You call us women haters, yet we are all fans of franchises that include women. Alien, Jurassic Park, Terminator, the new Mad Max, Marvel (plenty of women here). I could go on and on. Nobody here hates women. Give me 1 username here that hates women. If I hated women so much, why would I even have a girlfriend? Ok, I can't be a women hater then, I must be racist! Think again, my girlfriend is part Asian.
I never wanted to use the 'lol I have a girlfriend' argument because its nothing anyone here can verify, but I am fucking tired of being called a women hater because I see left wing politics run my favorite franchises into the ground.
We raise valid points of criticism about the quality of the new SW movies and the political agenda it drives. Yet all you do is stick your thick head into the sand and shout MANBABIES.

Wanna know why Trump won? Because of you. People HATE you condescending assholes that call everyone that disagrees with them 'racist' or 'sexist'.

Yes we come in here and voice our opinions. Why wouldn't we? We aren't ruining anything for anyone. I loved Jurassic World yet that movie gets enough hate. Does it stop me from seeing it ? No. You just go ahead and watch Solo, fuck it, go see it 10 times to compensate for us. I don't care.

Multiple reason why Solo bombed ? Like what? The stupid Star Wars fatigue? Why don't you first watch that video I posted before drawing conclusions. If you don't want to watch it, fuck off. Because this thread is discussing stuff explained in the video.

reply

[deleted]

I am anti-religion. I am bi-sexual. The only thing correct is that I am white. But why would this matter?
Oh yea, because you HAVE to be a racist womenhater to hate these movies right? My god you are thickheaded.

The discussions here are how we were RIGHT about Kathleen Kennedy and about Star Wars and it shows in the SOLO boxoffice and responds. So I am perfectly fine here in the Solo forums. You on the other hand are the ONLY one going on this mad moral crusade of yours so I would advice you to just take a hike to the Ghostbusters 2016 forum and continue your moral crusade there, nobody here is interested in your stupid rambling.

reply

[deleted]

I have said nothing wrong about pansexuals. Go ahead and quote me.
Afraid to be gay? lol, sure mate.
I linked the video because he is making the exact points I was trying to make. He is just a better speaker and I can't be fucked to write an essay on this matter.
Why would I write my own piece when someone out there has the exact same opinion? I already had this opinion before I saw this guys video. I came across it yesterday and thought fuck it lets share it because like I said, he hits the nail on its head.

The guy also articulates it in a very good way. He debunks all your arguments about 'womenhating manbabies' and gives good insight. Its a shame you are not open to the idea that maybe, JUST MAYBE, my side of the debate is raising valid points. And that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, my side is not all womenhating manbabies that hate gays.

reply

[deleted]

I'm sorry, English is not my first language.

I disagree that the people that hate the Disney Star Wars are largely trolls.
The troll argument is pretty easy. Just like the womenhating manbabies argument. Its all just name calling. I would rather result to talking about substance, like the points raised in the video I posted. All this information comes from genuine sources. Like interviews with Kathleen Kennedy, comments made by her. Comments made by JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson. I mean its not like we are just making this up so we can bash Disney/Lucasfilm. The creators of these Star Wars movies make it no secret what their agenda is.

You refuse to see it, you refuse to listen. Thats fine. But don't belittle us because we ARE willing to listen and fight against it. Only for the good of the franchise we care so much about. If we didn't care about Star Wars, we wouldn't be on here voicing opinions. Nobody is doing this just to 'troll' people. Nobody here likes what is happening to Lucasfilm.

reply

[deleted]

Well my argument was that its not the majority. The ''nobody is trolling'' is a overreaction to make a point. The trolling people are a minority and always have been. The 'trolling alt-right' conspiracy is stupid. Sure there are stupid trolls saying bullshit about pan-sexuality and gay dudes. I have seen maybe 2 thread about it. Most of it is genuine arguments though. Its shit that there are trolls, because they make it hard for us. People would just point at the trolls and be like ''SEE, THEY ARE ALL TROLLS"

Your second point, I agree with. Kathleen Kennedy shouldn't be fired because she's a woman. She should be fired because, in my eyes, she is mistreating the franchise and running it into the ground. If she is replaced by another woman, thats fine with me. As long as the replacement is a actual fan of Star Wars and doesn't make the same mistakes as Kennedy.

As for death treats, thats horrible. But again, thats just a small percentage of people doing that. You have horrible people on both sides. Guilty by association should never be a valid argument.
I get that you find the anti-SJW agenda annoying. But we find the SJW-agenda annoying.
If that agenda just goes away, we could all enjoy Star Wars again (probably not, because the prequels have shown you can never REALLY satisfy anyone, but I can only dream).

''Star wars is not now, nor has it ever been perfect.'' I agree 100%. But I love it non the less. Just not TFA and TLJ and Solo (even though Solo ain't bad). Rogue One is stellar and I love that movie.

That video you linked is good. I liked it.

reply

[deleted]

''The SJW thing is the movies, isnt that bad. I dont see characters and instantly think "only there to please the asian market" of "that onyl happened becaus eit was a woman/man". For Solo : A Star Wars Story, I agree. It wasn't that bad.

For The Last Jedi, I disagree. The SJW stuff in TLJ was so woven into the story that it made the whole thing horrible for me. If it didn't for you, thats fine. But I know I am not alone in this.
Like I said, I am not opposed to black characters, gay characters or whatever. I just want well written characters. Lando being black is great, Its fine. I like Billy Dee Williams and I like Donald Glover. They acted great and their story arc was great.

You can have an all black cast, and all gay cast, all female cast. I don't care. I just want the movie to be good. The all black cast worked great for Black Panther. Where is the massive outrage for that? Why is nobody boycotting that? Right, because the movie is great. They even make 2 anti-white male jokes in Black Panther. I didn't really like those, but hey I didn't get offended because its just 2 jokes.

I just really want to drive the point home that its the forced SJW stuff and horrible stories and characters that destroy Star Wars. Social Justice can be done in clever ways. Great example, Deadpool 2. Features plenty of gay stuff, jokes and non-jokes. Again, no outrage. Funny isn't it?

reply

[deleted]

He has a straight relationship yes. Negasonic Teenage Warhead doesn't. She has a lesbian relationship with a asian chick. Deadpool being straight is probably because his character in the comics is. I personally didn't really care for Lando's pansexuality. I just think its a bit forced but I dont care. I think the droid was annoying. Wanting equal rights. Not because I am opposed of equal rights, but the whole thing didn't make sense. As far as I know, the droids in Star Wars have never had the level of self consciousness that living beings have. they are literally build and created to do shit for others. Not 'enslaved' or anything. It just didn't make sense to me.

I can list SJW stuff, sure.

- Lack of character development of Rey. Shes so super duper good at everything she does. She flies the Falcon better than Han, she fights with a lightsaber better than Luke. She is never tempted by the Darkside (even though she has EVERY reason to atleast be drawn to it). She should have take the offer of Kylo to join him, but no, shes just sooo pure hearted. Ya can't have evil women now can you?

- Holdo. Her who attitude, being condescending to Poe because he is a muscular man with a temper. Can't have manly men now can we? He needs to shut up and listen to a woman! Not that she is going to tell him anything about her plans, because men don't need to earn someone's trust or doubt women. Just take her word for it, because she is a woman and she knows best.

- Rose Tico. Where do I begin with this. Its so much. Shes useless, annoying. But her biggest offence is the 'saving Finn' moment. They completely fucked up the Finn-Rey romance or even the Finn-Poe romance.
It all comes down to poorly written characters. The SJW aspect are the comments made behind the scenes that show WHY they are so badly written. The things I hate about these characters aren't things I made up. It literally said by directors, writers, producers etc.

reply

[deleted]

Its bad characters. Thats what it is. Its boring, stupid shit. Lets get her fired for making dogshit movies. Yes. SJW or not. TLJ was awfull in every way. I could write such a long post about it (I have in the past) but I'm tired of debating this. Solo was just 'meh'. The quality of these movies are going downhill and someone should be responsible. The massive fan backlash is not just because SJW. Its because the movie just suck. SJW aspect is what makes it worse.

reply

[deleted]

SammyJackson wrote:
"Lol no trump won because he promised to make jobs. Because people like you put gender, race and religion before what’s right. And by that I mean anything that isn’t white, straight and Christian is wrong."

Wrong. Trump picked up steam when he amplified the problem of illegal immigration. He did so in a pathetically clumsy way, but that's really what carried him to the presidency. He also tapped into the frustrations of tens of millions of people who are sick of the likes of you, who call them racists, anti-women, etc., without knowing the first thing about them and being closed minded to reasoned arguments and examples of the hateful bigotry emanating from so-called "progressives" that dominate the media and entertainment industries.

reply

[deleted]

Considering that Mexicans still comprise about 50% of all illegal aliens in the US, why not focus on them? Of course Trump lies. Hillary lies. Most every politician does. That doesn't give the likes of SammyJackson to be bigoted. You just prefer a different group to generalize.

reply

[deleted]

SammyJackson wrote:

Do they? how do you know? being illegal means they are in any system, right? Or theyd be deported already, right? So 50% is made up number. And is it mexicans? Or is it south americans?


Who knows? The people that purport to be the experts on these statistics - undoubtedly more expert than a biased bigot such as yourself - claim this to be the case. Or should we trust you because you've done thorough research? I don't even believe the 11 million number to begin with, but it's the best numbers we have, unfortunately. Go ahead and cite more authoritative sources, Sammy. We'll all be waiting patiently.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

reply

[deleted]

I urge everyone, regardless of political stripe, to expose themselves to arguments from both sides of the spectrum. If you cannot name one thing from the party you subscribe to that you disagree with then you should be worried. Don't believe everything they tell you. Think for yourself. Avoid being a puppet.

reply

[deleted]

You people are the ones who put race, gender, sexual orientation, etc before what's right. You love to use identity politics and judge people by what they are on the outside, then by their character.

reply

[deleted]

Yes. You don't sound any different than those people who like using identity politics, and call people racist, sexist for not having the same opinions.

reply

[deleted]

"lol you people?"

Yes. By "you people" he likely means hypercritical, hypocritical bigots masquerading as fighters for equal rights.

reply

[deleted]

SammyJackson wrote:

Yes, Im sure he does mean that. Shame its not even remotely true. Its a bullshit circluar argument by bigots to change the conversation.


Yet we're just supposed to trust you when you imply you're not doing that very thing. Your bigotry is transparent.

reply

[deleted]

As usual Sammy went full libtard. Don’t go full libtard.

reply

[deleted]

Alex Becker has been putting out some great vids on this bullshit.

reply

That basically sums it up: they ruined our favorite characters and turned Star Wars into an Uber-PC platform. Simple as that.

What was great about the old Star Wars films is that they WERE political films but it was integrated so masterfully that they didn't FEEL like political films. The story outshone any political aspect. The politics weren't shoved down your throat. They were just enjoyable space romps.

Disney Star Wars is just oozing with agendas and it bleeds through in everything they do.

Just look at the token Asian character in The Last Jedi. My WIFE is Asian and thought it was stupid. The Asians in her home country thought it was stupid. China thought it was stupid. The Koreans her character was catering to the most thought it was stupid.

Nobody cares about agendas. Why Kathleen Kennedy continues to insist on putting them in these films is beyond me but, like Ghostbusters 2016 and Paul Feig, she is going to KILL this franchise eventually.

reply

Well said.

reply

I saw Last Jedi while living in Korea. Everyone in the theater groaned when she kissed Finn. They seemed to think she was ridiculous.

reply

I think he covered it pretty well, but unfortunately people that disagree with him will simply say he is a sexist racist white male, because its easy and lazy minded people will just accept that as a valid rebuttal.

reply

Just look at mr SammyJackson on this forum.

reply

I know, I have seen him do it on other threads. Its a discussion that can't be had honestly for those on other side of it. They have to argue from a point that the reason you believe what you believe has to be sexism, racism or something else otherwise they have to look at it a little more closely and they don't want to do that.

reply

Its just so pointless. No matter how many arguments you throw their way. Oh well.

reply

[deleted]

SammyJackson wrote:
"Yes, when virus.exe claimed that pansexuality was nothing more than attention seeking, that was clearly just about the plot of the film. When countless trolls on imdb talked only about how small daisys boobs were, that was clealy about her acting. Threads here cliaming that only transsexuals and shemales defend this movie, or that pansexuals are child molesters that just all in my head. Clearly Im the problem."

And when people passed around images likening George Bush Jr to a chimp, or laugh about Donald Trump's orangish hair, that's all about their job performance, right? Yes, you are part of the problem. You're a hypocrite and there are way too many of you poisoning politics, race relations, and gender relations. Hopefully your kind will die off in a couple of generations, leaving a more enlightened populace to push forward.

reply

[deleted]

SammyJackson wrote:

So to your mind, bigotry against an entire groups sexual identity that can very well see them attacked and killed, is the same as making fun of trumps hair? Yup you got me, total hypocrite. fucking idiot.


No, I'm saying that many among those fighting the Bushes and the Trumps in the name of equality are themselves guilty of bigotry against entire groups, namely white males. And that indeed can lead to violence against such groups. There are plenty of stories of men and women killed in the USA in recent years - usually by black males - specifically because of their race and gender. If the rhetoric you claim to be fighting can lead to bad consequences for women, homosexuals, whoever, yet deny that the same insulting hyperbole toward men, white people, etc, is benign, then yep, you are a flaming hypocrite. It's the only reason I'm paying any attention to you. You're a textbook example of SJW hypocrisy that ultimately leads to its own inspired violence.

reply

You mean Frog.

reply

That's what Leftists and the PC crowd love to do. Call anyone a sexist or a racist if thry disagree with them. So stupid.

reply

agreed , the agenda is getting way out of hand.

reply

brought in race, gender, politics and sex.

The original trilogy did that too, but people wearing rose-tinted glasses refuse to acknowledge it.

reply

You have examples? Because I haven't noticed anything major. I don't have rose-tinted glasses for the Original Trilogy. I grew up with the Prequels. I only started watching the OT when I was older. I have 0 nostalgia for the OT.
Im curious what those race issues, gender issues and politics and sex is in the OT.

reply

Gender -- Despite casts that were almost exclusively male, Lucas specifically put female Rebels in charge of the two Death Star operations.

Gender -- Made Leia into a "strong character" in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back by having her sarcastically attack and insult the male characters, mostly Han. Even Chewie got insulted once.

Politics -- The trilogy was made to reflect the politics of its time. Hints of World War II, bits of Vietnam, even Emperor Palpatine was made to represent Richard Nixon.

Race -- In response to having an all-white cast in A New Hope, Lucas hired a famous black actor for a prominent role in Empire Strikes Back, and wanted most of Cloud City to be black actors. The latter part of that was scaled back, but there are still several black background actors in Cloud City.

That's just off the top of my head.

reply

All those points don't interfere with the quality of the movies. The points made here, are that Lucasfilm ONLY focuses on these issues and fails to focus on making a genuine good movie.

The only thing that could have been annoying is Leia being condescending to the males. But she is a princess. People of high standing are always condescending. In here eyes, Han, Luke and everyone else is just beneath her. So nobody cared about her being this way because it made sense.
Yea, she is a strong character. But nobody here hates strong female characters. For the 100000th time, we are all fans of Alien, Terminator, Jurassic Park.
We care about GOOD character that are well written.

The race thing could have been awfull, but they cast a great actor and gave him a great role. So again nobody cared.
There is nothing wrong with having a diverse cast. We just want good stories and good movies.

reply

The points made here, are that Lucasfilm ONLY focuses on these issues and fails to focus on making a genuine good movie.

That's a very extreme perspective tainted with subjective opinion and I find it hard to take seriously.

The concept of "ONLY focuses" is incredibly vague... Not to mention you could look back on the old trilogy and see the ENTIRE thing, "Rebels vs. Empire," as a political statement.

Plenty of people out there find ALL Star Wars to be flashy but empty/meaningless popcorn entertainment, with a pretty simplistic and low-quality story.

It certainly isn't high art, even as a lifelong fan I have to say that.

reply

''That's a very extreme perspective tainted with subjective opinion and I find it hard to take seriously.'''
I dunno man, when Kathleen Kennedy (head of Lucasfilm) says that the Force is female and that her first priority was to make the Lucasfilm Story Group be majority female, it does kinda make sense.

Its nothing subjective, thats the funny part. ALL these things have been confirmed by directors, producers, writers. Its the team behind Lucasfilm that says they are focused on these points.

reply

There was plenty of gender equality in the OT. Lots of strong women in positions of authority. OT fans loved it. But if you don't like the female characters in the new films then you are suddenly some patriarch bigot. It is a tired attack style that is getting backlash currently. Backlash that is regarded as even more bigotry, etc, rinse repeat.

Trying to paste political underpinnings on the OT is pretty thin. It's a space war. Connecting general dots between one war and another is too easy on the surface. No one cared about it in the OT because it was general and not message-driven. When people smell a political agenda in their Star Wars, then the makers have gone too far. The trick is to do it without being too obvious.

Bespin would have been cool if it were all black. But really, I don't care at all about race issues. The more people try to help, the worse it seems to get. It is actually an anger issue. The true problem is anger/rage.

reply

I don't speak for anyone else, nor am I going to specify people, but I've seen plenty of rants against new female characters that are explicitly criticizing them for being female, lots of complaining about too many females in positions of power, etc.

Yes I am sure valid, normal criticism has also gotten targeted, collateral damage style. It always happens.

reply

Indeed. The squeaky wheel getting grease and the nail that sticks out getting the hammer.

reply

It's a sign of our times. Internet "debating" is devolving into people shouting at each other from the barricades and the moderate views get ignored.

There's plenty of room for valid criticism of the new SW films. They certainly aren't high art and the writing is, in my opinion, pretty suspect. But this is drowned out by bigoted sexists hurling expletives at anything and everything they don't like. And there's no denying that there has been a lot of this happening.

I haven't seen Solo yet and I wasn't planning on seeing it at the theater either but my son went and said it was great so perhaps I'll reconsider. According to him all the things people gripe and moan about, like Lando's pansexuality, aren't even in the movie. It's just a case of people trying really hard to see what they want to see and interpreting everything with the worst intentions.

reply

According to him all the things people gripe and moan about, like Lando's pansexuality, aren't even in the movie.

On here, the majority of that griping seems to come from those who say they're boycotting the movie, and thus haven't seen it... Not to mention how much of it preceded the movie's release.

reply

Star Wars Fatigue exists. I haven't watched a Star Wars Film since Revenge of the Sith. This guy is right about not insulting or alienating your customer, but that doesn't mean that some people are tired of seeing remakes, re-tellings, prequels, sequels, etc... I used to be a horror movie buff until the onslaught of remakes after the 2004 Dawn of the Dead.

At some point, the audience grows up and has to let the franchise go. Just because new movies don't live up to our hopes doesn't mean we can't enjoy what we originally loved. I don't care about new Star Wars, Star Trek, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Exorcist, Red Dawn, Night of the living Dead (3-D), Spiderman, Hulk, Fantastic 4, Blade Runner, Indiana Jones, Hobbit, Last house on the left etc... These movie leeches don't stop the originals from being fun. If they're not our thing, why go see them? When I saw the trailer for this movie, I knew it wasn't for me. Why complain about it? It's only a movie.

reply

Not among the fans. I have been a SW fan my entire life and I would never get tired of it.

reply

I hope you continue to enjoy it. I'm happy where I'm at.

reply

I won't say the fatigue doesn't exist, and I believe the choice in subj matter is also Solo's problem. But I think the largest part of the audience are simply not happy with how the franchise is going and he points out some of the things that are part of that problem. I still enjoy Star Wars, but TLJ was a bad experience and sealed the fate of Solo and Part 9 as far as me going to the theater to see them.

reply

It's good that what you do like still exists. When I stopped watching, I had no regrets (except for being forced to see revenge of the Sith). The original series is my thing and no movies made today takes from that. Let everyone else chase the dragon.

reply

Sure it exists, but its a very small minority. The only fatigue people have now is bad movie fatigue. If all the new SW movies were awesome and amazing, nobody would get tired of them. Look at Marvel. They keep producing quality, people keep seeing them.

reply

One could argue that Marvel has a far larger universe to work with, with a far larger cast of characters people know and care about. So they can get away with more releases. I think SW would be more prone to this fatigue than Marvel would be. But I do agree that fatigue is a minority issue and being used more to hide the larger warts with the franchise.

reply

How does Marvel have a larger universe? Star Wars literally takes place in a entire galaxy. Countless planets with each planet their own characters, stories and lore. The universe is literally infinite! The creators are just talentless and cannot find a way to make up something that is interesting. I'm reading Star Wars books that are 10000 times better than the new movies. Just make a movie about those!

reply

Marvel comics have been putting out material for far longer then SW has even existed, there are more books about individual characters than SW will likely ever have. It has a base to draw from that is considerably larger, and these characters have so much more depth because many have had decades of stories behind them. Even if you were to put all the lead characters from all the canon SW together it is a group that would pale in comparison, even if you were to include characters from the superior crop of EU books that were wiped out by Disney you would still be looking uphill at Marvel and its cast of characters and backgrounds. Star Wars best and most popular characters are still those created in the OT 40 years ago. I agree that Star Wars is a massive universe you can create in, however that is no comparison to a universe that is already packed full of lead characters and stories like Marvel.

reply

Lol, I guess you don't know about the Star Wars Extended Universe? Or even all the now-Disney-canon material from Star Wars. Star Wars has a massive backlog of material to be used for films. Sure not as much as Marvel has in total. But look at what Marvel does with Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy. Its all characters and stories that are NOT popular with general audiences. Marvel uses like 10% of its entire material. Star Wars like 1%.
Its not how much material each franchise has, its how it uses it.

reply

I am very familiar with the EU which is why I referenced it. Star Wars is a sea compared to Marvel's Ocean. The movie characters of SW are far and away better known and feature prominently in the EU materials, so a huge % of the material outside of the movies is dominated by those same characters. You do have games, books and a cartoon that focus on other characters but they do not have the same impact level and certainly less known than most prominent comic characters.

There is material, but the way Star Wars does it stuff is they rely more on the movies to lead, where as Marvel being blessed with massive cast of known characters it can pick and chose from existing material and tweak for cinema audience. It simply is in a better position to release at a quicker level without the fear of traditional fatigue.

reply

'' You do have games, books and a cartoon that focus on other characters but they do not have the same impact level and certainly less known than most prominent comic characters. ''

Well I beg to differ. The Star Wars Force Unleashed games are universally loved and feature amazing new characters. They could easily make a movie about that. The book I'm reading right now, Lost Stars, is canon. Also features new characters and amazing story. There is soooooo much material but they aren't using any of it.

reply

Thats the video I watched and agreed with every point he made.

I dont normally watch youtube commentators and was on the sidebar so clicked.

reply